Im Sorry, But Coming to Police Raid to Steal Peoples Food with Handicapped Placard Just a Symbol of Bigger Problem

Before I explore the latest controversy to have come out of Tuesday’s highly public raid of the Hartmann Farm delivery, I should report that the Hartmann Farm, half a dozen of its customers, and the Foundation for Consumer Free Choice have filed suit in state court against the state to seek return of confiscated product and an end to “harassing and malicious prosecution.”  They charge the Minnesota Department of Agriculture with having “intentionally introduced this chaos in hopes of creating conflicting decisions, increasing Respondents costs to defend himself, and to advance multiple theories of liability. Serial prosecutions for the same alleged offenses, are an abuse of process, and can have no legitimate purpose…”

The matter of “harassing and malicious prosecution” can be summed up in a small but very controversial matter that has come up since the seizure of Hartmann milk on Tuesday.

Most people who have viewed the video from the Tuesday raid on the milk being delivered by the Hartmann Farm to buyers in suburban Minneapolis have noticed near the end the handicapped parking placard hanging from the front-seat mirror in the Jeep Cherokee used to haul some of the milk away. They have also noticed that the two MDA investigators who took the milk from the Hartmann truck and loaded it into the station wagon did not appear to be handicapped—or at least not handicapped enough that they had trouble walking briskly carrying several big coolers loaded down with milk.

I made a disparaging remark in my original post about the placard being “a nice touch,” based on my initial assumption that the placard was part of a disguise allowing the MDA agent to operate plain-clothes-like and gain easy access to businesses that might be under his jurisdiction. But since the video came out, there’s been a fair amount of discussion on listserves, with most comments I’ve seen believing the placard belonged to the agent. That certainly seems to make more sense, but then the question that comes up is this: was the agent driving his personal vehicle, with the handicapped placard belonging to himself or a family member, or was he driving a state vehicle and using the placard for himself?

A few of the listserve comments from Minnesota raw milk drinkers have been surprisingly conciliatory, expressing understanding for the agent that he or his family might need a handicapped placard. “People with handicaps don’t always ‘look’ the part. …Condemning him in a public way still does not help the cause. Do we want our children – those who witnessed slanderous comments from adults – to judge whether a person’s handicap/sticker is valid?”

I decided to inquire with the MDA, and a spokesperson refused to provide any information about why the investigator was carrying out a police action (serving a search warrant accompanied by local police) in a car with a prominently displayed handicapped parking placard. “I’m not at liberty to explain details of an ongoing investigation,” he said.

Well, I for one am not sympathetic either to the investigator or to the MDA’s refusal to comment. I’m sorry if he or a family member is handicapped, but driving to a police action with a handicapped placard is inappropriate and, perhaps more important, he and the MDA need to be called on it. For one thing, it’s deceptive. Are the targets of the investigation supposed to assume the guy confiscating their property is handicapped and they should be extra considerate of him? Or, if the targets were serious criminals, are they to assume they can easily resist his confiscation of their property because he’s handicapped?

Showing up at a police raid with a handicapped placard could also suggest the guy is flouting the law. If you’ve ever used a handicapped placard (and I have, in driving my mother around during the last couple years of her life, when she could barely walk), you know the protocol is that you only use the placard if you absolutely have to—if there isn’t any regular parking nearby, and you can’t walk a long distance. Otherwise, you leave the one or two handicapped spaces for those most seriously handicapped. And a family member who doesn’t need the placard never uses it when the handicapped person isn’t in the car.

Since this investigator didn’t need a handicapped parking spot for his raid, I can only assume he had been using the placard at other places, or else uses it all the time, whether he needs to or not.

Why am I harping on this? Because the MDA is looking for every technicality and bringing every weapon at its disposal to destroy Michael Hartmann, and destroy his customers’ food. The MDA is also accusing Hartmann of being sloppy. The agency has used questionable legal tactics in prohibiting Hartmann from delivering milk, and has gone search-warrant-shopping to harass his dairy—the citizens suing MDA say the state has purposely gone to four different judges for its four search warrants in connection with the case, in hopes that each new judge can be easily convinced to issue a warrant by virtue of knowing little about the case.

And the state has obviously stooped to penetrating the Hartmann buying group with an informer or undercover agent who is relaying information to the authorities. How else would they have been alerted about the delivery on Tuesday?

The MDA’s targets, in my judgment, are entitled to be just as tough. The time for being nice is over. Indeed, the nicer Minnesotans are to these bullies, the more they’ll take it for weakness, and do more bullying. I don’t care how you slice it, an enforcement agent showing up at a raid in a car with a handicapped placard dangling from the mirror is slopping, inappropriate, and dangerous.  Indeed, what about showing up in a private vehicle to begin with? Is he doing that so he gets a mileage allowance? Combat pay? Or just being lazy?

As more than one person has said here, this is war, and in warfare, you must respond with every weapon at your disposal. We have rules in our police and legal system, and I guarantee you they don’t include showing up at a raid with a handicapped parking placard, any more than they allow unnecessary search warrants. The MDA should, as part of its “investigation,” be investigating why one of its officers was misusing a handicapped parking placard in an enforcement action.  And Hartmann customers should be insisting on answers to their questions, demanding professionalism and an end to official theft of people’s food.

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aed aedaed
December 11, 2010 9:41 pm

PS The placard must be removed when the vehicle is in motion so as not to obstruct your view.

December 11, 2010 10:49 pm

Yes, it's certainly deceptive – oh, and also illegal. It's a shame that the gaggle of policemen also present at the raid were too busy hauling crates of milk around to notice, because in Minnesota it's a misdemeanor to have the tag (or anything) hanging from the rearview mirror while driving.

An excerpt from the MN Driver & Vehicle Services website – Disability Parking information pages (

The certificate is issued to you, not the vehicle. Display it when parking any vehicle you drive or ride in.

The certificate is only to be displayed on… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 12, 2010 12:03 am

Damn right this is a WAR.

Although I am proud to see champions of the cause turning on the video cameras this just a baby step to being a warrior

Being a warrior means strategic organization and utilization of all available advantage and application of those assets in the most calculated way. Deception,ambush, etc….

This is serious and if you want raw in Minnesota you will need to meet in small groups and plan smartly. Beret boy is easy bait.


Alvin Schlangen
December 12, 2010 1:45 am

The Hartmann Farm embargo is a major piece of the barricade that our tax funded regulators have built in Minnesota. They also embargoes the Traditional Foods Warehouse in Minneapolis as well as a small family farm in central MN near Freeport. I am that small farmer and just recently was finally worth a followup visit after a planned shutdown of our delivery system on June 23rd of this year. They were able to obtain a warrant after I actually and illegally sold USDA inspected Organic Chicken to our local food coop. If I'd suggested that the coop invoice the… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 12, 2010 3:07 am

On Davids point about the "disability sign" hanging on the rear view mirror.

That is a sign of real weakness when used by an inspector. For the common American, I respect the special needs of a person that is not able to ambulate or move about freely. But when it comes to a person that is posing as a disabled person but seizing our raw milk….I give No Quarter. The Beret Boy has choosen to join a battle and that means he is a represenative of an enemy. He is not the enemy ( as a person )….but… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 12, 2010 3:15 am

You have the raw milk…they want to seize it.

You have the bait and if they do not take it…you win.

If they take your bait and you set your tap correctly you win.

Win Win….you set the place and time of your media, super mom ambush.

Secrecy calm and strategic smarts!!

You are in control….not Beret Boy.


Joelie Hicks
December 12, 2010 3:56 am

I have bought raw milk on and off for many years. I used to pasturize it (when I was ignorant), now I cannot imagine drinking store milk.
I work hard to protect my source.
When I serve milk at a meal I tell everyone that it is raw milk, people can choose to partake or not. If they plan to visit me for a few days and do not want raw milk they are free to bring their own.
We had a new fellow, a relative that started working for us. He became very sick and went to the hospital. Their first… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 12, 2010 7:47 am

Sorry guys… is not the USDA ( US Duh ) that is taking your raw milk. The USDA has nothing to do with raw milk.

It is the Health Departments that sleep with the FDA policies that are robbing you blind. The FDA and PMO regulate raw milk. The USDA is specifically not incharge of raw milk at all.

So make sure that you yell at the FDA, Monsanto, Deans Foods, the NCIMS and the CAFO PMO crowd….that is where the challenges come from.


December 12, 2010 9:49 am


"9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies."

lola granola
December 12, 2010 10:37 pm

The individual Rights guaranteed by our Constitution can be compromised or ignored by our government. For example, in United States v. Johnson, 76 F. Supp. 538, 539 (D. Pa. 1947), Federal District Court Judge James Alger Fee ruled that,

"The privilege against self-incrimination is neither accorded to the passive resistant, nor to the person who is ignorant of his rights, nor to one indifferent thereto. It is a FIGHTING clause. It's benefits can be retained only by sustained COMBAT. It cannot be claimed by attorney or solicitor. It is valid only when insisted upon by a BELLIGERENT claimant in person."… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
December 12, 2010 11:02 pm

"MN has had a terrible dairy cafo situation in Thief River falls area that went on for years, neighbors were evacuated quite a few times because of hydrogen sulfide. How come the authorities can not stop such a place as that for years, an even allow the sale of their milk? "

I've NOT heard this from the news here. Why isn't the media reporting this? This is important, if the contamination is at one cafo, it's most likely at all or most. Can't make all that poop just go away. Contaminate the land, water and air….

Look at… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 13, 2010 7:12 am

Here is a fascinating quote from Mike Pollan:

Essentially,we have a system where wealthy farmers feed the poor crap and poor farmers feed the wealthy high-quality food.

Nice article about how food in America has become a dividing point.

I say lack of food access is sheer lazziness and ignorance. We take EBT cards at the OPDC farmers market and have never ever failed to find a way to provide good food to people who want it. I agree that food deserts are a reality and that the poor are disadvantaged because of habitual media brainwashing and… Read more »

Tim wightman
December 13, 2010 8:37 am

Hello everyone…
One thing I would add to the discussion is the fact that when the officer from Mn was asked a question he said that this action did not concern the questioner.
If I have my facts right as a member of the co/op the person asking the question was involved in the action as a member off that co/op.
The biggest problem of late that WIDATCP did very well last year and seems that MDA is now doing, is marginalizing the partner consumer and ignoring the rights of those consumer partners.
This trend cannot continue of the State not recogizing the… Read more »

December 13, 2010 8:50 am

With all due respect, Mark, saying lack of food access is sheer ignorance and laziness is an ignorant, and I would add condescending, comment on your part. Time and again we hear about "food deserts" in the inner cities where low-income folks don't have EASY access to nourishing food. Instead, they have the quickie marts on the corners that are full of soda, potato chips, and candy, and a host of other highly-processed food selections. Now, does it take desire to find it? Yes, it does. It also takes education to help the masses… Read more »

Sophie Lovett
December 13, 2010 9:26 am

I see the phrase "nanny state" used here a lot and I thought I knew what it was. However, I would describe the actions in MN as a police state since the govt has certainly taken an authoritarian and controlling stance here.

December 13, 2010 9:56 am

This discussion is pathetic. Did you forget this farmer put a child in the hospital and produced raw milk under filthy conditions? How about doing some self-policing to save the tax payers from having to pay regulators to clean-up the mess. Free choice devoid of responsibility is irresponsible.

Sylvia Gibson
December 13, 2010 10:07 am

mark, I don't think it's laziness. It is from lack of knowledge, many don't know how to cook from scratch or seasonal. If you've not experienced it, most likely you don't know your knowledge is lacking and/or you haven't a clue what to ask.


Why would anyone want to pay the regulators who aren't fair..they allow big ag to poison people without shutting down or tossing in jail. There is no trust there. What about those poor souls who where hospitalized and/or died from the eggs, meats, pasteurized milk, etc? Haven't heard you squeal about that. … Read more »

December 13, 2010 10:22 am


For the record, I think the regulators should be spending their time on mass distributed food where they can have the most impact vs. wasting time on small producers. The self-policing (aka, exemption) model for small farms has merit, but is pointless if you ignore and excuse bad practices on your small farms.

Mark McAfee
December 13, 2010 11:37 am


I was a part of a failed farmers market that tried to start in a poor part of Fresno. The residents simply would not come and shop for raw foods. We found that the best approach was gardens at schools.

I have found it nearly impossible to unpickle a pickled brain. Talk about trying to teach the unteachable!!! I know I have tried this and it is virtually impossible

You can lead a horse to water but…….

Reality says whole foods are eaten by conscious people. Consciousness is not a caste system. Consciousness means you connect… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 13, 2010 11:39 am

I have also seen lots of extremely poor rich people.

Mark McAfee
December 13, 2010 11:40 am

I have seen very rich poor people

December 13, 2010 11:51 am


I too have seen the terrible poverty and irony in some of our most rich agricultural areas where the very people working in the fields are devoid of good nutrition (worse, they are exposed to pesticides, especially their children).

All that said, how can you make excuses for Hartmann dairy's bad practices, let alone making them into some kind of small farmer hero? It flies in the face of the RAMP concept and providing safe, regulated raw milk for consumers. I doubt they are what USDA's Know Your Farmer had in mind when they created the program.

Joelie Hicks
December 13, 2010 12:30 pm

Sylvia; Google Excel Dairy and you will find plenty of info including YouTube videos. The main owner also has dairies in North and South Dakota that have been famous for horrible conditions. In fact his dairies called the Dairy Dozen are now called something else. The dairy products we consume, if we buy them from the store, can come from some pretty awful places. I have e-mailed some of the cheese companies and ask them if they use cafo milk. I always get some convoluted answer that ends up being 'yes'. But the depts of health are not interested… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 13, 2010 1:10 pm


You make an excellent point.

The Hartmans safety and sanitation issues are exactly why standards and good policies must be developed and embraced by all that produce raw milk in America, regardless of FDA state level head-in-the-sand anti-raw milk policies. A farmer that produces raw milk must be absolutely committed to safety and use it as a proud bragging point for his brand.

Blackmarket raw milk is not a predictable or reliable thing. Fully transparent, tested, inspected raw milk is quite another story. I have said this time and time again…..

"There are Two Raw Milks in America". One… Read more »

Mark McAfee
December 13, 2010 2:42 pm


Answer me this…..

How can you be so in love with the FDA and its policies when they approved Gardisil to be given to young women and even young boys with tragic results including at least 73 deaths and at least 18,700 severely sickened children that are suffering what appears to be life long debilitating injury.

The FDA is a lethally criminal organization. It should be dismantled immediately and all of them summarily criminally indicted and jailed under RICO.

Lykke…what do you think and feel about this tragic FDA result??

Lykke….how many deaths… Read more »

Ellen Murray
December 13, 2010 11:16 pm

You say "This discussion is pathetic. Did you forget this farmer put a child in the hospital and produced raw milk under filthy conditions? How about doing some self-policing to save the tax payers from having to pay regulators to clean-up the mess. Free choice devoid of responsibility is irresponsible. "

What evidence is there that truly shows this farmer is practicing under filthy conditions? We all know that Ag depts and the FDA LIES! Was a child really "put in the hospital"?

I have been reading that several people have gotten their milk from this farmer for a… Read more »

milk farmer
December 13, 2010 11:39 pm


If you educate the consumer, and allow for increased personal relationships between farmers and their customers.. the need for 'regulators' AND 'regulations' decreases.

Yes there might be 'incidences'…and some people might get sick…but this is what is going on now with many other foods, even with the regulations that are in place.

Small local producers limit the extent of a possible outbreak…large commercial producers encourage large widespread outbreaks…when there is a problem.

The FDA, as does Lykke, have it ass backwards…although you got to admire her passion and spunk…it's just misdirected.

The marketplace is always consumer controlled…and when government, via regulation, tries to… Read more »

December 14, 2010 2:10 am

"How can you be so in love with the FDA and its policies when they approved Gardisil to be given to young women and even young boys with tragic results including at least 73 deaths and at least 18,700 severely sickened children that are suffering what appears to be life long debilitating injury."


I suspect that Lykke feels impotent about affecting the larger issues at FDA (ie, more deaths), so she's made raw milk her cause even though there are NO raw milk deaths.

How else to explain Lykke's irrational postings… unless she's Marler's employee and not FDA's.

Mark McAfee
December 14, 2010 2:53 am

This is a personal message for Dr. Mike Payne at UC Davis Western Institute for Food Security and Food Safety.

The Girls Scouts absolutely loved their OPDC Raw Milk Badge earning and farm learning experience.

We now have at least 25 more raw milk drinkers and thinkers. Raw Milk and Girls Scouts Cookies is launched and doing great!!!!/photo.php?fbid=10150105093471181&set=a.434060491180.227149.171911861180

Eat your heart out!!!


Mark McAfee
December 14, 2010 3:05 am

This is a personal message for Dr. Mike Payne at UC Davis Western Institute for Food Security and Food Safety.

The Girls Scouts absolutely loved their OPDC Raw Milk Badge earning and farm learning experience.

We now have at least 25 more raw milk drinkers and thinkers. Raw Milk and Girls Scouts Cookies is launched and doing great!!!!/photo.php?fbid=10150105093471181&set=a.434060491180.227149.171911861180

Eat your heart out!!!


Bill Marler
December 14, 2010 3:18 am

Goodness, beating up on a handicapped guy? What is it about drinking raw milk that makes you folks so angry? This is WAR? Good grief. You need some perspective. I understand that the officer is a disabled Marine. Beating up on a vet doing his job, you guys need to spend a bit less time on the internet.

Am I missing something? Hartmann was in violation of the law. Farm sales are legal, but retail sales are no in Minnesota. M.S.A. 32.393. These folks were not buying the milk… Read more »

Katie Davis
December 14, 2010 4:38 am

Mr Marler,

Yes you are missing a few things. The MN Constitution states that any person may sell or PEDDLE the products of the farm or garden occupied and cultivated by him without obtaining a license. I dare you to check the definition of peddle. But, if you want to insist on the MN statue you listed- read the part that states "SECURED or purchased for personal use by any consumer at the place or farm where the milk is produced". Isn't the milk secured by the customers when they phone or email their order DIRECTLY from the farm? If… Read more »

December 14, 2010 4:48 am

"I bet you wouldn't hesitate to use this info against someone you were prosecuting!"

LOL! Good one!

Ellen Murray
December 14, 2010 5:20 am

You can't win with this group…we the people are too smart. Way to go Katie.

Why don't you concentrate on the people getting sick from pasteurized milk and from food that comes from CAFOs and CFOs and other large factory farms REALLY practicing dirty! The large egg producers with dead chickens caged with live chickens and eggs passing by dead chickens.

Ellen Murray
December 14, 2010 5:22 am

Oh yea and why not go after the humans maimed or killed by toxic vaccines and big pharma drugs?

Mark McAfee
December 14, 2010 5:49 am

I just left a really interesting meeting at Fresno State University. The meeting was arranged by a consortium of related big agribusinesses, including Western Growers etc.

The title of the day long presentation was using the social networks to utilize the "Get to Know Your Farmer and Your Food" message.

I was fascinated by who showed up. There were crop duster operators, chemical salesmen, farmers and the like. The moderator and key presenter was all about how to make Monsanto look better and how to sell GMO to the wider markets and consumers. No where was there any dialogue… Read more »

December 14, 2010 6:17 am

Bill Marler,

You had an opportunity to explain what the evidence behind your accusations against Hartmanns was,back when the "slam dunk" accusations were originally made.You were silent when we discussed the fact that the PFGE DNA evidence was invalid.Now you are making those same unfounded accusations again.Why don't you explain to us why you have so much confidence in those tests?Both you and Lykke keep making these accusations that raw milk is making people sick.Why won't you discuss the evidence that is being used to support these accusations?People other than microbiologists and genetics scientists are understanding that DNA… Read more »

Ellen Murray
December 14, 2010 6:19 am

Way to go for speaking up! Praying that you got through to someone…one of the puppets or sheeple.

nancy j using (my other alias)

Concerned Person
December 14, 2010 8:08 am

miguel, If PGFE is bogus, how did they recently connect all the people who became ill from raw milk cheese tasted at Costco? And then find the matching DNA is both an opened packaged from a consumer and a closed package located at Costco or the company?

Or the recent egg outbreak. How did they figure out where the contaminated eggs came from if DNA fingerprinting is nonsense?


December 14, 2010 9:10 am


Finding a "match" is easy.The point is that PFGE can only legitimately be used to distinguish strains.They may be indistinguishable but that is not the same as "matching".The more PFGE analysis done that turn up indistinguishable the more likely that the bacteria are closely related.That doesn't mean anything without any other evidence.It is not unusual to find a "match" when you are only comparing a few characteristics.

If similar strains of bacteria are found in different places,does that mean that there was movement from one place to another or does that mean that the… Read more »

hugh betcha
December 14, 2010 9:49 am

good news! well not for dean foods shareholders and debt owners. but for plain simple folks.


Dean Foods Co. Chief Executive Officer Gregg L. Engles built the nations largest dairy processor. Now he may have to start dismantling his creation.

Deans stock is off 53 percent this year, making it the worst performer in the Standard & Poors 500 Index. The Dallas- based companys earnings are getting squeezed by big-box stores and supermarket chains looking for price concessions. At the same time, Dean is having to contend with big jumps in prices of commodities… Read more »

Concerned Person
December 14, 2010 10:34 am

miguel, based on everything you just stated in your previous post, please give us your interpretation of the recent egg outbreak.


December 14, 2010 11:08 am

Miguel-I have copied an old post I did about the Hartmann outbreak (at the bottom of the post). You can see that there is PFGE and epidemiological evidence that this outbreak was due to raw milk.

You are correct in a number of areas. MDH should not have used the word match to describe patterns. Indistinguishable is the correct term. Match is the common term but it is not the most accurate.

You state that bacteria that have the same PFGE pattern does not prove that they come from a common origin. True, you need to have other evidence, namely epidemiological… Read more »

December 14, 2010 11:24 am

milk farmer,

"The FDA, as does Lykke, have it ass backwards…although you got to admire her passion and spunk…it's just misdirected."

Nice. I think we're ready to go on our first date :)

Mark and others,

Regarding work on illnesses caused by pharmaceuticals (side effects, reactions, etc.) – that's great. Someone absolutely should be doing that. But, I don't follow the logic that someone else shouldn't be working on preventing foodborne illnesses. How is preventing a child from being harmed by a drug more valuable than preventing a child from being harmed by a foodborne pathogen? There is… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
December 14, 2010 11:33 am

More people are "harmed" by the confined animal feedlots and animal/produce processors/pharmaceuticals than raw dairy. Raw dairy is treated so different than confined animal feedlots and animal/produce processors/pharmaceuticals. Why is that?

Mark McAfee
December 14, 2010 12:17 pm

What a report on Dean Foods. Our prayers are being answered. I really mean that. It only takes a few percentage points of market share to bring down commodity giants. Mature commodities are just above water and pesky raw milk pioneers Rob their most conscious customers from them.

Merry Christmas !!! Soy to the world ( whole foods newest saying ) finally gets it's fair pay back!!!

Raw milk brings true Joy to the world.


December 14, 2010 9:59 pm

Interested ,

Actually the PFGE patterns can match.What is deceptive is that a match in PFGE patterns is extrapolated to claiming that "matching" strains of bacteria have been found.Matching PFGE patterns does not mean that the two isolates of bacteria match,they are correctly referred to as indistinguishable.

We agree that even if we could be sure that two isolates from different places were identical that does not mean that they share a common origin.

What I am wondering is what is the epidemiological evidence that connects the illnesses to the milk.I haven't… Read more »

Nourish Yourself
December 14, 2010 11:18 pm

I must also add that raw milk from good organic healthy animals and farms is KEY (like Organic Pastures…thank you Mark)
…not just any old raw milk! We must remember that!

December 15, 2010 10:43 am


See points 2 and 3. There are routinely extensive interviews of all cases of foodborne illness (at least with the major pathogens such as Salmonella, E. coli 0157 and Shigella). 8 of 9 reported they had consumed raw dairy product from the same dairy. That is very strong evidence. If you assume that approximately 3% of the population consumes raw milk product (I have seen estimates between 2-5 %), having 8/9 people with EC 0157 with the same PFGE type and that consumed raw product from the same facility due to chance is neglible. Keep in mind, that the… Read more »

Thomas Huffman
December 17, 2010 12:50 am

I am a 100% disabled Vietnam Veteran. the more I read about this the more enraged I become. This is how Hitler started. I believe we are at war. With ournown Government. They have made so many regulations and are so committed to the big food groups. That they have basically declared war on the American consumer. The only choices they allow are the ones offered by their cronies and backers in the huge Agro farmers. ADM, Monsanto, Cargill they are the true criminals. By restricting our choices and declaring we are to stupid to make up our own… Read more »