Is It a Crime to Feed Embargoed Cheese to the Pigs? Is That Why the FDA Just Can’t Get Enough of Kicking Kelli and Anthony Estrella Into the Ground?

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration last week showed a rare soft side to consumers, by stepping back from enforcement on demonstrators of its ban on interstate raw milk shipments.

It’s important that all involved in fighting for food rights appreciate that that show of softness was almost certainly a temporary tactic. For now and the foreseeable future, the FDA is, at its heart, insatiable and hard as nails when it comes to its key agenda item of ridding the U.S. of raw milk and raw milk cheese. And while there may be a tiny bit of conciliation shown consumers, to please the politicians, the focus remains on harassing and penalizing producers. The case of Kelli and Anthony Estrella makes the case stronger than I ever could.

Kelli and Anthony EstrellaThe FDA has in the last six weeks sought to personally make the Estrellas defendants in a case the agency filed in federal court a year ago in connection with allegedly contaminated cheese being sold to the public by the Estralla dairy. The FDA has already put them out of business for more than a year. The Estrellas’ crime warranting the new action is, according to the FDA, ““on-going violative and defiant behavior.”

What sort of defiant behavior? According to the FDA’s motion, “while the seized cheese was in the custody of this Court, and without the permission of this Court or the
knowledge or supervision of FDA, the Proposed Defendants fed the seized cheese to pigs.”

For that outrage, the FDA apparently wants the Estrellas to be permanently prohibited from selling raw milk cheese, and possibly to be penalized via substantial fines, if it wins its case.

The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund has taken on defense of the Estrellas. Its brief opposing the federal motion to add the Estrellas to the case (originally, just the Estrella cheese had been named), provides this background of the complex case:

“Early on in 2010, the Washington State Department of Agriculture (WSDA), in a routine product test, found the bacteria Listeria Monocytogenes (“L. mono.”) in one package of the Estrella’s ‘Red Darla’ cheese (approximately one pound) that WSDA had purchased in a grocery store. WSDA had licensed and inspected the Estrella Family Creamery from its inception [in 2003]. This one wheel of ‘Red Darla’ was the first pathogen finding in the Estrella’s history.

“Upon receiving this information from WSDA, the Estrella’s ceased all production of all cheeses, recalled all of Red Darla cheese that they had sold, and disposed of all the cheese in the cheese aging cave where the Red Darla cheese had aged (this included six or seven other kinds of cheese as well, totaling approximately $80,000).

“The Estrellas then worked with WSDA to find and resolve the L. mono. issue. This included environmental testing, consulting with leading dairy experts, remodeling part of the facility, and altering various production practices, as well as implementing a stepped up product testing program for cheese before it went to market. In early May 2010, WSDA was satisfied that the Estrellas had successfully addressed the problem and approved resuming production. WSDA assured the Estrellas that L. mono. is a common pathogen, which one exercises best efforts to control, but which one cannot forever eradicate.

“In August 2010, FDA agents inspected the Estrella Family Creamery and took over 150 environmental samples. The FDA lab found four indications of L. mono., three of which were in remote places. At that time FDA did not criticize the Estrella’s operations or recommend changes.

“In late August, FDA took 10 wheels of Chevrette cheese (which is a soft type of cheese) for testing. The FDA lab conducted approximately 60 tests on the Chevrette cheese yet found L. mono. in only two Chevrette samples. Based on these two results, FDA demanded that the Estrellas recall all their cheese, not just the Chevrette in which the L. mono. was found. The Estrellas consulted with industry experts who thought FDA’s demand was excessive. The batch of Chevrette cheese the FDA had tested was still at the Estrella Creamery and none of it had been distributed or sold. No one had reported any ill effects from consuming earlier batches of Chevrette cheese or from consuming any of the Estrella’s other types of cheese. The Estrellas stopped marketing this cheese type and asked their vendors to return any remaining inventories of Chevrette and other soft cheeses. The Estrellas also began another effort to increase L. mono. prevention by testing every lot of cheese they produced. WSDA did not object to the Estrella’s course of action.

“However, although FDA had no authority to require a recall, in September FDA demanded a total inventory recall and issued public notices against the Estrellas. The Estrella’s response to FDA’s demand for a total
inventory recall was measured, but they took a different view of the matter than FDA. The Estrellas followed the advice of industry experts over the demands of the FDA.

“The Estrellas are respectful people. They never behaved with defiance as FDA alleges. When the FDA served the Arrest Warrant seizing all of the Estrella’s cheese, the Estrellas adhered to this order, preserving the cheese for months. When the cheese began to decay, the Estrella’s attorney notified FDA that since the FDA’s plan for disposing of the cheese was unreasonably expensive the Estrellas would likely feed the cheese to their pigs. The FDA promised a reasonable plan but never delivered it.”

In an affidavit filed with the FTCLDF brief opposing the FDA’s latest court action, Kelli Estrada stated that the seized cheese was going bad, and FDA didn’t answer her inquiries:

“Because we never received a response from the FDA on whether we could destroy all of our cheese, we fed it all, all of it, to our pigs. Even if the cheese had never been tested for L. mono, we fed it all to the pigs. There is no more cheese.”

A mournful Kelli Estrada adds: “I am told that in France, if a safety issue ever surfaced in a cheese operation like ours, the government would work to help them stay in business, considering that cheese is a national treasure. In our case, WSDA was willing to work with us to make our cheese a better and safer product but the FDA did not appear to be interested in making our cheeses safer. The only thing FDA appeared interested in was putting us out of business because we are an artisanal, raw cheese maker, and FDA appears to have a bias against raw milk cheeses. Consequently, our American original cheeses could be lost forever and that would be a great loss. We are absolutely not careless business people who purposely endangered the public, that would be business suicide and it would also be against what we believe morally.

“We are willing to implement all best management practices and have already brought in some of the best in the nation to help us do so…” She then lists several experts in food safety and listeria who were consulted, along with 24 specific steps the producer took to try to abide by regulator concerns.

She concludes: “We understand we are in a difficult position with FDA as we seek to use traditional and time honored cheese making methods that are not always understood by FDA’s bureaucrats. For example, in the case of our wooden shelves, FDA employees repeatedly suggested that we remove the shelves, which is contrary to the wisdom of European experts who believe that the shelves were safe and critical to the quality and safety of the finished cheese. We prefer to follow time honored wisdom rather than conventional industrial food practices. We have now found scientific evidence that sheds light on how wooden shelves actually inhibit L. mono and it appears that it may have been better if we had been using more of these shelves…

“We have suffered great loss, both financially and to our reputation, as a result of overreaching and grossly unnecessary action by FDA. It is our desire to make cheese again but who will protect us from FDA? At this time we have ceased production. We have not produced any cheese for sale since at least October 2010 and at this time have no intention of ever again selling raw milk cheeses in interstate commerce. FDA has shut us down, has put us out of business, has cost us our livelihood and has slandered us. Moreover, all of the cheese that FDA ordered seized has been fed to the pigs and no longer exists.”

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Mark McAfee
November 9, 2011 6:37 am

Time for more Bonnie Bassler PhD MIT.

We are Bacteriosapiens!!!!

Mark McAfee
November 9, 2011 6:58 am

I spoke with the Estrellas a year and a half ago about a strategy to get back into Raw Milk production with the State of WA Grade A Microdairy regs. Unfortunately, they did not follow this advice.

I suggested immediate compliance with a list of WA Grade A state requirements and immediately begin the process of producing raw milk and raw milk cheeses again. if the FDA wanted something cleaned painted or fixed…fix it even if it was not broken. Get it done immediately. Fairness does not matter…just do it.

I suggested the immediate disposal of all cheese inventories… Read more »

Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 7:41 am

Estrella creamery never had insurance . . . or legal protection . . .

This is the result . . .

I believe our own farm was targeted a few days ago by the PTB. . . someone wanted to buy single cuts of our lamb when I can only sell boxed whole lamb through a custom butcher . . . when I explained why we could not sell individual cuts . . . no response . . .

Small farms out there beware . . .

Kind regards,


Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 7:53 am

And Gary Cox . . . this was the farm where you went to the courtroom as the defense attorney wearing sandals and shorts . . . and the outcome was less than desired?.

If you were my attorney and you appeared in court this way . . . . as a farmer and small business owner . . . I would have you sued for malpractice.

Nuff said!

Kind regards,


Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 8:04 am

As a small farm or business owner . . . you MUST have insurance . . . period.

The FDA . . . et, all targets those that are vulnerable . . . .

If you do not have insurance and you are selling $100,000's of dollars worth of product you are vulnerable and are a target . . . .and this is why Estrella was targeted . . . no insurance . .

If you want to know who insures our farm please contact me privately . . . every single one of our sheep and poultry are insured .… Read more »

Gordon Watson
November 9, 2011 8:09 am

have you ever actually been before the Bar in a courtroom, Violet Willis?

until you have, you really don't know whereof you speak

I quit putting in complaints to the Law society about a decade ago. But I still have a higher life-time average in that dept. than anyone else you can name in BC. Of the 200 lawyers I've encountered over 30 years in Her Majesty's Courts in British Columbia, I can count on 2 hands the # who are decent human beings. Nevertheless I do support Gary Cox in what he's doing … even if he… Read more »

The Complete Patient
November 9, 2011 8:11 am

The case where Gary Cox was forced to appear in shorts involved Morningland Dairy, not Estrella. I'm not sure what their exact insurance situation was, but I wouldn't assume they had no insurance.

It's easy to play Monday-morning-quarterback. If you read Kelli Estrella's list of 24 steps taken to satisfy the regulators, you'll see quite a lot was done. Sometimes, the regulators are determined not to be satisfied.


Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 8:13 am


My husband and fellow farmer has a law degree from a 1st tier law school in the US . . .

He is the one that mandates our insurance policy btw:)

Sorry David . . . you are right . . . Morningland is what I was talking about . . . .I got them confused for some reason. . . .

Kind regards,


Mark McAfee
November 9, 2011 8:17 am


I could not agree more. The FDA loves to prey on the weak or those that appear or act weak. They like compliance and they like responsiveness. Give it to them and get rid of them so you can thrive and stay in business. The time for payback is years from now.

What the FDA hates…. is a farmer with their act together. A farmer that knows how to go to the media when they are not being treated fairly and expose the harrassment. There is a time to fight and there is a time to comply… Read more »

Gary Cox
November 9, 2011 8:39 am


you should sue u.s. airways. they were the ones that did not deliver my luggage. :)


thanks for the kind words.


again, you done real good charlie brown. that darned fda.

Phil Retberg
November 9, 2011 8:40 am

The Estrellas tried compliance, and when it broke them, the FDA wanted more. Many of us are out here, producing on next to nothing for resources, and cannot afford to throw money at perceived or made up problems. As a community, we should be rallying around the Estrellas, instead of pointing fingers for not enough FDA compliance, or, no insurance. Please remember, the Estrellas had their ducks in a row with the state department, and had perfect or near perfect scores… then the FDA, and their agenda, whilst not one complaint or illness. Where is… Read more »

Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 8:41 am

Everyone . . . I was wrong . . .I apologize . . .

Sorry I confused Estrella with Morningland (the cases are so similar) . . .

I still stand with what I said about Morningland and Insurance . . . so important to us small farmers.

Forgive me, please . . .

Kind regards,


Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 9:02 am


I would have told my husband in similar straits to go to the nearest Walmart and buy a pair of dockers and a button down with a collar and a belt . . . period . . .:)

S@#$ happens . . . but you must do what you gotta do for your client . . .

FTCLDF helped a very good friend of mine in a small legal matter. . . but your organization needs to start winning some BIG cases . . . .

Kind regards,


Sylvia Gibson
November 9, 2011 9:19 am

"When trouble comes knocking at your raw milk door….it is time to get rid of that trouble with immediate compliance. "

Surrender? Comply with injustice? It appears that many bend over backwards to appease tptb and still they are kicked to the curb. Sometimes you just have to make a stand and stand up for what you believe in and in your own way.

Gorden, most combat Vets don't talk about their experience, they'll talk about silly stuff that happened, but not the real horrors… Many try to keep the PTSD buried deep inside. My dad was in… Read more »

Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 9:26 am


If the Estrella's had insurance the FDA would have had to deal with the insurance company . . .We have 30 Icelandic ewes that are insured for the replacement value if any of them were picked off by predators or a severe storm . . .

Our poultry is also insured . . . this is for less than $100.00 per month. . . . which also includes our "farm store" operation. . . . if someone slips and falls:)

So when those who say that Insurance is "cost prohibitive" . . . . nope . . .it… Read more »

Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 9:31 am

To all . . .

As a farmer . . . insurance costs are business write off's for your taxes . . .

Kind regards,


Don Neeper
November 9, 2011 9:55 am


The dozens of farmers and thousands of herd shareholders in Ohio are very grateful and indebted to Gary Cox for the big case he won against the Ohio Department of Agriculture in 2006. (Not to mention the thousands of dollars that Paul & Carol Schmitmeyer received from the ODA in compensation for their court costs.) That court decision may have been won five years ago, but I'm reminded of it every day when I exercise the right to drink my raw milk, make my butter and visit my farmer. :-)


Don Neeper

Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 10:17 am


Congrats to you and the court decision . . . I have been following David's blog since the fall of 2006 so I missed this case . . .

BTW . . . DH let the gang at the FTCLDF know about S-510 right before it went to committee (a year before it was voted on) . . . and nothing was done by the FTCLDF to lobby against this travesty . . .

Kind regards,


Mark McAfee
November 9, 2011 10:36 am


In writing my post, I was concerned that perhaps some of what I wrote might be seen as Monday morning quarterbacking and not supportive. I support the Estrellas 100%…!!

The Estrellas are fine people. People with conscience and people that work very hard.

They contacted me years ago and we developed a plan to get back into business. That plan included getting back into Grade A raw milk production. The FDA has no juristiction over raw milk and WA Grade A permits. This was a first step and WA Dairy Inspectors were supportive of this. This did not… Read more »

Violet Willis
November 9, 2011 10:43 am

About two years ago we had a very well dressed couple visit our farm from Maryland of all places . . . this is right after I wrote some of my first posts of David's blog using my own name and farm.

They wanted some "Grass raised Meats" and would not take no for an answer. . . . They bought lots of eggs and produce and I gave them a FREE sample of our grass fed beef and let them know that if they liked this . . . I would put them down for a… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
November 9, 2011 11:30 am

Buyer beware… When crap like this is consumed, it can only kill the immune system….oh now I get it! This is the "kill step" required by tptb!

The Complete Patient
November 9, 2011 11:53 am

One of the reasons you may have gotten Estrella and Morningland confused is they were both targeted by the FDA as part of a massive inspection campaign of small raw milk cheese producers. It's part of a campaign to help FDA justify a change in the 60-day aging rule on raw milk cheese. Once FDA found any sign of pathogens, it was pretty much lights out, given the agency's agenda. See this article I wrote for more details:


Blair McMorran
November 9, 2011 1:21 pm

With all due respect, you need to call Gary Cox and talk to him instead of blasting him on this blog. I promise, after 5 minutes he will demonstrate what he's made of. He is brilliant, kind and articulate. You don't know him, or the details of court decisions, and you are being unfair and impatient.

He works for his client, which sometimes means he forfeits a win in court – because they don't wish to be a martyr for raw milk, they have run out of courage, time, energy or money. … Read more »

Phil Retberg
November 9, 2011 6:41 pm

You missed my point. The FDA came in, took jurisdiction away from the state under the commerce clause, and forced a licenced facility to do $50,000 plus worth of upgrades. When the Estrellas dropped their license because of cash, the FDA came up with a list of $200,000 worth of upgrades to re-issue their license. Whatever insurance your selling, it would not, could not help them. A wolf has patience, but devours once prey is in its mouth. My point was that as a community, we should be rallying around folk like the Estrellas instead… Read more »

Kevin Gordon
November 9, 2011 7:19 pm


With all due respect, please stop posting the misleading accusations about FTCLDF and S510…they fought it tooth-and-nail all the way, and I have the Action Alerts and e-mails from Pete Kennedy to prove it. Also, anyone can search the archives of their website and find a lot of the info that they were putting out during the whole process.

Perhaps maybe they didn't do what you thought they should do? If that's the case, then just say so…


Ken Conrad
November 9, 2011 10:15 pm


Many do try to keep the PTSD buried deep inside. As my neighbor (now deceased) who was a stretcher boy in France during WWII used to say, They keep telling us lest we forget yet I say let me forget.


Insurance may indeed provide peace of mind until you have to collect.

Ken Conrad

Mark McAfee
November 9, 2011 11:09 pm

Violet and everyone

Gary Cox is a raw milk hero. I have stood with him in front of both federal and state court judges. He did a fantastic job both times. He won both cases in my book. His intelligence and strategies were right on. He listens carefully, he considers deeply and executes brilliantly. He builds bridges of trust, defends his client and our common cause.

FTCLDF is a trauma surgeon and Raw Milk EMS response team. We all need that right now. BUT it is not sustainable. We must invest in prevention and teaching… Read more »

Jack Matthias
November 10, 2011 1:00 am

Just finished reading David's book – "The Raw Milk Revolution" and have access to raw milk, but am not drinking it. But there is a potentially far bigger issue facing the diary industry and I would like to see David address it – if he reads this. Perhaps he already has. Every dairy farmer should get Keith Woodford's book "The Devil in Milk" (same publisher – Chelsea Green). It says about half of the cows in the industrialized world have a genetic defect that causes the release of the peptide betacasomorphin 7 – a… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
November 10, 2011 3:51 am

I would guess that the majority of people have no idea of the differences in milks, fat content, etc. I had just learned last year and very briefly about A1 & A2 milk. The lists to ask questions of the dairy farmers grows longer…Amanda Rose has a list of questions to ask…

The Complete Patient
November 10, 2011 4:19 am

Jack Matthias,
I have written a couple of posts about the A1/A2 milk situation. Basically, I've gone along with the input of other raw milk experts who feel there is too much we don't know about this matter to be giving hard-and-fast advice about seeking out A2, or avoiding A1, milk.


Sylvia Gibson
November 10, 2011 5:26 am

I doubt that any studies will be done regarding the a1 & a2 proteins. If it were found to be true that A1 contributes to diabetes and/or heart disease…the whole dairy industry would crash and burn….. It is all about money. Do your own research and make an informed choice.

It will remain as the vaccination accusations…'there is no correlation between vaccinations and autism, etc.'

deborah evans
November 10, 2011 7:16 am

As to the A1/A2 conversation, I was reminded by Dr Paul Detloff at a "Whole Herd Health" workshop yesterday that milk from goats and sheep is always A2!


Deborah Evans

Violet Willis
November 10, 2011 8:21 am

Blair and all . . .

We all learn from mistakes . . . agree on this please . . .

I learn most from my biggest critics . . . we cannot all be cheerleaders here and we need to find the strengths and weaknesses within our movement . . . . learn from this and then move forward. . . only then will we accomplish what is needed . . . universal access to healthy raw milk and locally produced food. . . without the government and Big Ag calling the shots.

The endless pats… Read more »

Violet Willis
November 10, 2011 8:52 am


"Last point, insurance for retailing other peoples product is always cheaper than the production insurance because you have two layers."

On our farm . . . we only market our own products within our farm store . . . as of now we don't carry any retail from other farms. Buying club orders are the exception and they are less than 5% of our sales.

Kind regards,


carolyn kostopoulos
November 10, 2011 10:22 am

they need to move to france where they would be celebrated for their wonderful cheese, instead of criminalized as they are here

Mark McAfee
November 10, 2011 11:19 am

Michael Schmidt and I do not follow the A1 verse A2 crowd.

The Devil is NOT in the Milk…

The Devil is the Processing of the milk and the Feeding of the Cows!!

Even Dr. Tom Cowan reconsidered his position after he wrote the forward to the book. He told me this personally. Face to face.

Do not believe everything that self serving experts from NZ say or write. Both of the authors are dead and no one can confirm any of their work.

I have had a long and very personal experience with the A2 Corp.… Read more »

Mary Martin
November 10, 2011 12:50 pm

Im almost done reading the Devil In The Milk. I found it fascinating. If France really has only A2 milk products, this could explain the low rate of heart disease in that country. It may have nothing to do with the consumption of olive oil and wine.

I have a masters degree in counseling psychology. During the eleven years spent working in middle school, a large portion of my job was educating teachers and parents about ADD. It has three components: inattention, hyperactivity and impulsivity. Any one of the three symptoms can lead to a… Read more »

Mary Martin
November 10, 2011 1:23 pm

Im going to amend something I said. Ive never really analyzed the two and weeks my son drank raw milk. It was over shadowed by his illness. Five years ago, I was motivated to try raw milk for my son because I believe he was congested from drinking pasteurized milk. I didnt try it because of his ADD. During the 2 weeks he drank raw milk, he was not congested. However, he was in school and if it had made a huge difference in his ability to focus, we would have noticed… Read more »

Mark McAfee
November 10, 2011 1:41 pm


I have been taking calls on the A2 verses A1 milk issue for six years. All of the attributes assigned to A2 are connected to grass fed mixed breeds of "raw milk producing cows". Autism gets better etc….no lactose intolerance etc…

A careful reading of Mr. Whitefords interview in Acres USA shows all kind of flaws, assumptions and admissions….like "the jury is still out on pasteurized verses raw etc". In other words he does not know.

There are also all kinds of other assumptions, like" all cows in France are A2". That is a complete assumption… Read more »

Mary Martin
November 10, 2011 10:30 pm

Mark, I had to giggle a little about the salesman statement. You are the greatest salesman for raw milk.

Keith Woodford focuses on two aspects of BCM7 in A1 milkautoimmune diseases and the opioid effect of casomorphins. Clearly for children with ADD and autism, there is a neurological effect occurring when the undigested peptide passes readily across the blood/brain barrier and it attaches to the opioid receptors in the brain. Intestinal permeability, also known as leaky gut syndrome, plays a role here and that is why it is possible to detect BCM7 in urine.

ADD and autism… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
November 10, 2011 10:31 pm


I wonder if there would be a difference for your son if he consumed A2 milk (pasteurized-nonhomogenized since his illness)? That would be an interesting study. A1 vs A2 raw and pasteurized and monitoring each child; also studying the same for adults, along with a control group. They are learning stuff all the time and unfortunately, much is swept under the rug for $$$ sake.

It would take money and the big dairy wouldn't want it done because if it were to find out that A2 was healthier than A1 it would kill their industry. … Read more »

Mary Martin
November 11, 2011 12:12 am


Prior to Chris becoming ill, he drank organic pasteurized, homogenized milk from Organic Valley and ate organic yogurt and butter. My reason for choosing organic was about pesticide residue in the milk. When cows eat pesticide laden food, it comes out in their milk and it is stored in the fat of the milk, yogurt and butter.

When Chris became ill, he didnt eat for two months. It did serve the purpose of an elimination diet. When he began to eat again, we were told to hold off on any dairy products because it… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
November 11, 2011 12:44 am

"I will have to give some thought to this. In some way it might be cruel to allow him to drink it again and then have to take it away if he goes foggy and lethargic on us again."

I am firm believer in talking to kids and explaining things to them. Perhaps Talking to Chris over a period of time about your thoughts and the pros & cons of re-introducing goats milk to his system would allow his input. he may not want to try it, then again, he may. He would also know that if it showed an… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
November 11, 2011 11:31 pm

"We have now found scientific evidence that sheds light on how wooden shelves actually inhibit L. mono and it appears that it may have been better if we had been using more of these shelves…"

My dad still uses the wooden cutting board my brother made in high school. He uses it for meat and veggies. Before that, my parents used my grandmothers wooded board for everything. There was no separate boards for meats and vegetables, wooden spoons are also used. We had no illnesses for any of this use. Plain old soap and water is used to clean… Read more »

November 12, 2011 10:23 am


I not sure it makes sense to start eliminating foods from one's diet. It seems that many in the natural health world always want to demonize a particular food or food group. Some want diary gone, others want nightshades out etc…. I think that when the gut becomes unbalanced digesting certain types of food become difficult and then result in symptoms. If your son had sinus issues prior to his illness that is indicative that he had a gut imbalance to begin with. And it is quite likely he has gut issues now because… Read more »

Kristen Papac
November 12, 2011 1:20 pm


I know you get slammed a lot here but I for one really appreciate your posts. I think you are a very good and strong mother who cares for her son immensely!

Your voice is clear and honest.

You take the words right out of my mouth: "Word of caution as you promote raw milk for autistic children; these children have very sick guts and the bad bacteria far outnumber the good bacteria. Severe diarrhea or constipation is daily occurrence. Yeast overgrowth is a constant challenge. You are taking a huge risk encouraging mothers of autistic children to give… Read more »

Mary Martin
November 12, 2011 10:45 pm


I read Natasha McBrides book (first edition) five or six years ago. My greatest challenge with my son is that he is a picky eater, so there is no way to implement it all the way. I do my best and with the help of a naturopathic doctor and supplements and his ADD is quite balanced. As he ages, I am always willing to help him with any food preparation, but he will have to make the decision to try different foods.

He is very autistic like with his diet. When he was small, he… Read more »

Mary Martin
November 13, 2011 1:00 am

Kirsten and Sylvia,

Thanks for the suggestions about goats milk and yogurt. Instinctually, my first response is no, but I love the idea of someday being able to add some form of dairy back to his diet, especially yogurt. All this A1 and A2 talk pertains to the casein protein. Chris is also extremely sensitive to the whey protein. I went back and looked at his IgG allergy testing from a year ago. He is off the chart sensitive to whey and has a low level of sensitivity to goats milk cheese. Whey is… Read more »