From the Middle East, a Rallying Cry for Raw Milk and Food Rights Activists

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From his supporters, a visual image of Vernon Hershberger's struggle, as he moves through the legal system.Barack Obama gave a remarkable speech in Israel last week. Remarkable not just because he challenged Israeli young people to push for peace with the Palestinians, but because he was cheered by the young Israelis in the audience. 

 

One of his statements especially resonated at home, possibly in a way he didn’t intend: “Let me say this as a politician — I can promise you this, political leaders will never take risks if the people do not push them to take some risks.  You must create the change that you want to see. Ordinary people can accomplish extraordinary things.”

 

Around the U.S., ordinary people are pushing their state and local politicians to take risks over the issue of raw milk and food rights. Nearly everywhere you look, it seems, there is a skirmish over raw milk and food rights. In some cases, the politicians are responding positively, and in other places they are responding negatively. But the efforts on behalf of food rights seem more widespread this year than ever before. And I’ll bet they’ll be even more widespread the year after that.


I have selected a few examples of developments affecting legislative and other initiatives on behalf of raw milk. For a more complete listing of initiatives that have been under way, the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund monitors the legislative proposals.

 

*In Texas, hearings are being held to change the state’s law to allow raw dairies to sell at farmers markets and to deliver to customers’ homes, reports Judith McGeary, of the Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance.

 

*In Nevada, an assembly committee heard testimony on behalf of a proposal that would officially legalize the sale of raw milk, heard testimony from Mark McAfee, owner of the country’s largest raw milk dairy in neighboring California. 

 

*In Maine, a ninth town, Brooksville, has passed a Food Sovereignty ordinance, allowing for private sale of raw milk and other farm products directly from town farmers to consumers. 

 

*In Arkansas, a House committee defeated a bill that would allowed raw milk sales from farms, by a nine-to-eight vote. 

 

*In Montana, a House committee has approved legislation that would allow raw milk sales direct from the farm. Interestingly, the bill’s supporters felt compelled to remove a provision mandating testing because state agriculture officials were objecting that testing is too costly. So to avoid this opposition, the legislators approved a labeling provision. When the bill comes up for a vote, the opponents will no doubt criticize the absence of required testing…damned if you do and damned if you don’t. 

 

*In Wisconsin, the state’s governor, Scott Walker, has indicated he would sign legislation that made raw milk available directly from dairy farms. This is a reversal from 2010, when the state’s then-governor, Jim Doyle, vetoed legislation allowing sales from the farm. Legislation is due to be introduced within the next few weeks. 

 

*In Iowa, a bill that would have allowed sales from the farm failed to make it out of committee to the full House. 

 

*There is an effort in North Dakota to reverse the state’s existing laws, which allow the sale of raw milk from farms. 

 

*The National Farmers Union, a 110-year-old representative of small family farms, approved at its national convention a resolution in favor of raw milk, “as it provides a viable market niche for dairies.” It recommended “that raw milk be bottled as the product of a single source…” And it said there should be “equal access to raw milk (and or raw dairy products) for human consumption for all consumers that choose to consume raw milk.” 

 

 

Joseph Heckman of Rutgers University in New Jersey sent me a headline from a newspaper in 1980, about an Iowa farmer being jailed for refusing orders to discontinue sale of raw milk. His point was that this battle has been going on for many years, and seems nearly endless. 

 

But as the forces for food freedom grow and expand, one thing is clear: there are more proponents than opponents. The problem is that the opponents often have more money, to influence key legislators. The proponents need to keep pushing and organizing and backing politicians who understand that food choice is important to the vast majority of people. There will inevitably be defeats along the way. For better or worse, maintaining access to wholesome foods is as much a political process as it is a farming process. 

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102 Comments on "From the Middle East, a Rallying Cry for Raw Milk and Food Rights Activists"


Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 25, 2013

” political leaders will never take risks if the people do not push them to take some risks. You must create the change that you want to see.”

This is so very true.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 25, 2013

As a poster stated, We are owned and operated by big business… Sometimes it is difficult to wrap my mind around the stupidity of others. It’s not just a fight for healthy milk. They will continue until we have no say in anything.

http://news.yahoo.com/monsanto-protection-act-sneaks-spending-bill-180416331.html

http://www.momsacrossamerica.com/stunning_corn_comparison_gmo_versus_non_gmo

Ken Conrad
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Ken Conrad
March 25, 2013

Yes indeed majority rules and it could very well be a good thing , however what happens to a minority group such as the raw milk movement who refuses to be manipulated by a system that fails to have or refuses to abide by a constitution that acknowledges minority rights?

Ken

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 25, 2013

Ken,
I have no problem with those who wish to feed themselves or their children toxic fast foods, it is their choice. I don’t understand why both don’t co-exist. I guess technically they are co-existing now, I guess I can’t fathom why anyone wants to push their beliefs on me or others. Before you know it, they will be dictating what we eat, drink, how we live, what we do for a job, etc.

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deborah evans
March 25, 2013

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Gayle.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 25, 2013

Damn, need that “like” button.

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 25, 2013

And to add to your list above, David, this just in from National Farmers Union:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_27228.cfm
Another example of how “the forces for food freedom grow and expand”. It’s little steps like this that will ultimately change the course. Just like we were saying some time back, it will be the little steps that really make the difference as opposed to orchestrating a national step.

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Mary Jean
March 25, 2013

@Gayle
Hear, hear! Thank-you for stating so clearly to Bill what I have been thinking.

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null.set
March 25, 2013

why we do what we do

In order to head off trouble from the ‘pain bodies’ of those styling demselves, “health authorities”, I always make sure to tell inquirers : “raw milk does not cure cancer”. What usually kills people manifesting cancer, is cachexia … their bodies cannot metabolize any nutrition. So it’s especially haertening to see the post, below, on Charlotte’s website, today
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This past week as I was preparing to bring our new gal, Madeleine, in the barn for milking my phone rang. I usually have a rule – no cell phones in the barn – (the cows feel the distraction of phones during milking) but my intuition guided me otherwise.

A nice gentleman spoke up that he is a tax accountant for one of our Champoeg Creamery milk customers. He continued to say his wife, Karen, is recovering from cancer and most recently, chemotherapy. She’d been on a feeding tube for 6 months and it had just been removed. His client (CC milk customers) knew he was struggling to find nourishment for his wife of 25 years who now weighed less than 100 pounds. They gifted him a jar of raw milk from their weekly visit to the farm.

This man was calling because he had finally found a real food source that his wife could tolerate, would help her heal, and that he could use to keep her alive. His request to me was to be placed on our wait list which he’d heard was anywhere from 6 months – 2 years for a gallon or so of this “white gold” per week. How could anyone be so heartless and seemingly void of compassion to place him on that wait list?! This adoring man is hoping to buy time with the love of his life and is asking to be in line to wait for the product that could grant that wish for them.

This job I do is so little about milking cows, on the contrary, it’s about a force even greater than physical life. We here on our little farm hold human lives in our hands everyday when we make sure our milk is safe and pathogen-free. This milk is hand carried from our farm to nourish families, children, pregnant moms, adopted infants, both healthy and immune compromised people. People. Loved Ones. Mommies and Daddies. Babies. Those facing long, vibrant lives. Those at the end of this journey and preparing for the next.

We keep this in mind when we struggle to pay the feed bill or wonder, “Why do I get up at 5AM to milk cows in the dark twice a day, year after year?” or faced with yet another spendy mechanical breakdown in the barn. The energy that arises within to face this incredible calling and is fueled by the very food we produce, is from another realm, invisible to our eyes; felt within, where we all meet and are on a level playing field – – characterized by our individual human souls.

Until we arrive there, however, safe raw milk is easy to produce if you follow the proper strict safety protocols, but that’s hard to find. Raw milk is controversial. It can give life and it can take life away. It is essential that you only drink raw milk from a farm that can show you their milk is safe. If this information is not available, do not drink the milk. You have to use your gut to decide, as well as have the proper knowledge and test documentation to back up your decision.

Virgil and Karen stopped in for their first gallon of milk and left armed with kefir cultures to make it even more vibrant and powerful. Virgil hung on every word I said, eager to find a way to nourish his wife. I did not ask for this responsibility, yet I cannot step away from it. When I began my farming endeavor I just wanted to provide milk for my family and a few others. I am no longer providing just milk; we here on our farm are yet another conduit for life giving nourishment to flow from our farm to those who need it most.

I am reminded again that no matter what job we think defines us – “farmer” or “lawyer” or “CPA” or “teacher” – we are so much more than that. We have the opportunity to touch others daily with our work, our humanity, our story. Our gift of compassion.

http://www.champoegcreamery.com/

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 26, 2013

Deborah, that is positive news.

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Shana Milkie
March 26, 2013

Thank you for putting together this list of legislative initiatives, David. It’s really heartening to see so many!

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 26, 2013

Came across an interesting item the other day…Organic Valley has a product called Grassmilk, non-homogenized milk. Here is their website promoting this product: http://www.organicvalley.coop/products/milk/grassmilk/
I do have to wonder about their advertising about this product due to previous problems associated with this company, plus previous questions/issues about their products, but if it is everything that they say about this product, it goes to show the importance of a grass-fed diets for dairy cows. Another concern about this product is the fact that the milk comes from different farms rather than from one source. So how is a person to trust this product. Here is another example of how people need to research what really is being done to obtain a product such as this.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 26, 2013

A red flag to me, is coming from different farms. Mixing up products opens up the potential for contamination. I would be courious as to; what types of grass they are eating, etc? For some reason I have no faith nor trust in any of the big corporations.

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D. Smith
March 26, 2013

@ Deborah: I saw this product the other day at our local food co-op: http://www.organicvalley.coop/products/butter/pasture/

It was $8.65 for an 8 oz pkg. Yipes. And you hafta wonder about the source of their cream to make this butter (although the ad says it’s made from milk). I can’t even imagine trying to make butter out of milk unless MAYBE it was milk from Jerseys or Devons, with a very high cream/fat ratio.

I try to avoid organic, packaged milks.

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 26, 2013

Yeah, Sylvia, that was the ‘red’ flag for me, too. Supposedly, this ‘Grassmilk’ product comes from dairy farms in Humbolt County, Calif, how does one truly know that that is so. Their website clearly states that they have many Coop dairy farms all over in many states, so how is it documented which supply of milk came from which dairy?! I wish I could remember a website that I came across last year that posted pictures of some of Organic Valley’s Coop dairy farms in other states showing deplorable conditions of the farms and the cows. I do remember that it took a lot of effort to make Organic Valley to do something about the situation and to remedy them, but again, how does one truly know?! The funny part about this ‘Grassmilk’ is the way they emphasize that it is un-homogenized, yet they conveniently don’t show that it is ultra-pasteurized and it is an expensive product!! It all boils down to the fact that this product is just the same as the other commercialized milk that costs so much less. So again, another example of ‘hooking in’ the unsuspecting/uninformed consumer.

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rawmilkmike
March 26, 2013

But Dave, is there any way that maintaining access to wholesome foods could be more of a legal process then a political process?

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 26, 2013

D. – I saw that product as well & yes, I agree with you…a very questionable product. I get my butter from Organic Pastures, as well as, a local source, plus when I have the time, I will make my own which tastes so much more decadent & luscious!!

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D. Smith
March 26, 2013

@ Deborah: Horizon dairy was in some trouble a while back too, and it’s difficult to find the real, true story about that now, too. A clue? Horizon is owned (or was) by Dean phake phoods. There’s your sign.

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D. Smith
March 26, 2013

@ Deborah: I don’t have access to OP products where I live, so I buy Amish butter from the people who also sell raw milk. I can also access it from a couple of other sources, but they are a long distance away, so the only time we buy it is if my DH is traveling to see his Dad in the same area, and then he brings back a cooler full. Most of the butter is about $10-$12 for a one pound package, so we buy in bulk and freeze it. But it doesn’t stay around long.

It is illegal in SD to buy raw cream. Can you imagine the insanity?? We fought this like crazy but to no avail. Egregious legislation. So now I rarely make my own butter because our local producer has holsteins and there is little fat involved. I prefer Jersey milk but can no longer find it around here. Everyone who “sells” it is staying well under the radar and their customers don’t talk to anyone about their purchases.

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 26, 2013

Oh my gosh, D. that is horrible, why would they make it illegal to buy raw cream, that is just crazy. Boy, I truly am blessed being in California and having access to the items that I do. Makes me really appreciate the hard work that Organic Pastures and Claravale does. Their success will hopefully entice others to get into the raw milk production and supply by following the steps that OP and Claravale have done. Yum yum yum, there is nothing more delish & decadent than melted raw cream butter on top of fresh, hot popcorn!! Of course, not to mention fresh raw cream butter spread on a slice of my great-great grandmother’s War Bread just fresh out of the oven!! Lol!

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Gayle Loiselle
March 26, 2013

Good question Mike. Unfortunately, our legal and political systems are terribly intertwined. We have to work within our communities, like folks are doing in Maine, to create local food rules, or ordinances. You can start by contacting your town, city, county boards and ask if they have any food ordinances. If not, go to work. Another thing you can do is support to the best of your ability the farmers being prosecuted. Buy their foods when possible, show up to their hearings and trials, write letters to local newspapers, volunteer to work with that farmers support team, and if the farmer doesn’t have one…start one! Talk to the farmers at farmers markets… they’re next on the real food endangered species list. Some say peaceful noncompliance in mass is the answer, personally I like that one. But I’m not a farmer and so wouldn’t be assuming the risk. My risk is not taking any action and losing access to real food. So for now I do everything I can to support farmers on trial, not just my farmer. We all have skills and there are many many skills needed to win this war, figure out what you can do…AND DO IT (not just you Mike…I mean everyone). And if you honestly can’t find a way to help, donate money to the Farm To Consumer Legal Defense Fund, they provid legal representation for farmers all over the country free of charge…they are one of the major heros in this fight:) Keeping FTCLDF well funded is one of the best ways to fight on the legal side.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 26, 2013

Mark can’t legally mail raw butter out of state…Boo Only his cheese and beef. Bastards.

Ora Moose
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Ora Moose
March 26, 2013

RMMike: What Gayle said. Since politicians make laws, its hard to separate the two.

My suggestion, in addition to what Gayle said would be to make it a point to speak out and remind your local politicians that if they do not observe the will of the people, sooner rather than later they are toast and will be voted out. Also, I think a large part of the problem is in the executive branch more so than the legislative. Selective enforcement if you will, although we never do know just who steers that process behind the scenes, but you can bet more often than not money is involved as opposed to public safety as the key decision making criteria.

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Gayle Loiselle
March 26, 2013

Exactly Ora. Such as the President appointing both the head of FDA and federal judges. Then we have the Monsantos of the world who pay dearly to presidential campaigns and in turn we see ex monsanto executives in high level FDA positions. Talk about intertwined… But your right, we can vote, and we can make our wishes known. Did you know that it only takes about 20 hand written letters on a topic to convince a state legislator to take action? Thats not that many…start writing folks!

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 26, 2013

I know, Sylvia, it is a real bummer. Hopefully, Mark will be able to get this changed in the near future. By the way, have you tried his cheese? Absolutely delicious! It sells out fast at the two stores I buy it from, have to make sure you get there when the delivery arrives! Also, are you not in California right now?

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 26, 2013

No I haven’t tried his cheese. I am in Virginia Beach right now and the only way to get raw dairy is to belong to a cow share. I won’t be here much longer and I will visit my son in Arkansas where raw cows milk is a dirty word.

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 26, 2013

I bet you’ll be glad to get back here then, lol. I get very frustrated when I get to a state & can’t get any raw milk to consume while I am there. Luckily, for the past 5 weeks all of my site visits have been to California hospitals so I haven’t been deprived of my raw milk & other goodies. If I go for a lengthy time without being able to consume raw milk, I begin to have some health issues resurface, not fun. Safe travels to you & hope you get back to California real soon.

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D. Smith
March 26, 2013

I’m beginning to wonder how much longer we’ll have access to anything considered real food. Scope this:
http://www.anh-usa.org/the-latest-on-the-gmo-rider/

Even when you think those gomers on the hill might be on your side, they aren’t. Imagine them selling out for money – even if no one reporting the news can put their finger on it (as the article states) you KNOW it’s crossing palms all the time.

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rawmilkmike
March 26, 2013

Is it possible that we may need a Johnnie Cochran or maybe a civil rights attorney?

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 26, 2013

geesh, just like giving immunity (pun intended) to vaccine makers.

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rawmilkmike
March 27, 2013

This is why I think raw milk is a legal issue and not a political one:
Why I Support Raw Milk By: Senator Glenn Grothman May 20, 2010; In the final few weeks of this Legislative Session, over 100 bills landed on the Governor’s desk. The one that generated the most intense feeling(Only for fresh milk drinkers. Others saw it as some stupid political agenda.) is the bill that would have legalized the sale of raw milk(The bill wouldn’t have legalized fresh milk. It would have still been illegal in stores. It’s all ready legal to sell on the farm. It’s the harassment we need stopped.) if you had a Grade A license(Which you would lose if the dairy processor stopped buying your milk.). Raw milk has been illegal to sell in the State of Wisconsin for the last 30 years, except for incidental sales. Nevertheless, DATCP, bowing to commonsense, largely did not enforce the law until 2009(Are you sure? I didn’t see any raw milk at pick n save.). For a short period in the 1990s, I’m told, the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture encouraged the sale of raw milk as a new niche market. They encouraged farmers to sell “cow shares” in which consumers would buy part of a cow so that the customer would only be getting his milk from a cow he owned to get around the prohibition(What prohibition? These are still incidental sales. The prohibition is only a rule that DATCP could change at any time). In the late 1990s, DATCP determined cow shares were illegal but continued to not enforce the ban(Are you saying that advertising was allowed, or only that incidental sales were allowed?). In some form or other, raw milk is sold in over half the states(Only eleven states are as restrictive as Wisconsin and according to the CDC’s foodnet survey there’s just as much raw milk sold here as in California where raw milk is sold in heath-food stores.). America should be a free country and your average person should be free to experience the benefits of raw milk just as farmers already do(The only way for that to happen would be to repeal the 1957 anti raw milk law.). By forcing these sales underground, DATCP may wind up creating a health hazard(What health hazard? Didn’t you go to the public hearing?). DATCP ought to go back to the “turn a blind eye policy”(You mean allowing incidental sales.) that existed before 2009.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 27, 2013

I am a human visitor!

Sales in soy must be declining…

http://news.yahoo.com/soy-tied-better-lung-cancer-survival-among-women-172225635.html

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 27, 2013

I’m a human!

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 27, 2013

Oh that was really weird…most of my post is missing!! Anyways, was at Mother’s Market in Orange this evening & say the ‘Grassmilk’ that I was talking about earlier, what was interesting was that there were two containers side-by-side both titled ‘Grassmilk’, but one was marked as ‘100% Grass-fed’ while the other was marked just ‘Grass-fed’. They were in different colored containers. Still keeps me wondering what is truly the story here with this product.

Oh yeah, so now it appears that we have to use CAPTCHA each time we post to prove that we are a human visitor & not a Spammer, thanks Spammers!!!

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Gayle Loiselle
March 27, 2013

Oh the tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive! Thats it…DATCP suffers from fairy tale deficiency…among other things.
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The more people who do this research and expose the truth the more energy we have working for a positive path forward. You go Mike!!

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 27, 2013

Yeah, David, saw that really long, wacky one earlier today. Where do they all come from?! Jeesh, they are big pains. Too bad there isn’t a way that sends a message right back to them and disable their PCs!!

mark mcafee
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March 27, 2013

It appears that the sky has started to fall on the FDA…finally.
Anyone see the “Escape Fire” medical journalism documentary on CNN last week? Talk about tearing a new ass in the FDA and big pharma as well as the deadly outcomes from chronic medical disease treatment by western doctors. It was an indictment. Praises still go out to docs for trauma, but for the autoimmune, diabetis, obese and the rest of the chronic illnesses it was a capital “F-” for failing grade.

The great quote was… “doctors do not want you to die…. they do not want you to get well…they just want you to keep coming back!!!”

The entire lie was exposed. See the trailer. It was amazing with this back drop and the quote from Natural doctor Andrew Weil….saying, health is a result of eating whole and unprocessed foods and personal lifstyle!!!

This is the evolving American culture that we all find ourselves in….things are changing. OPDC sales set new records every week. This is a critically important time to get it right with raw milk!! http://vimeo.com/27450676

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rawmilkmike
March 27, 2013

Milk is ogooglebar or ungoogleable and unyahooable or oyahoobar. Remember when we tried to find out what’s in milk and none of us could find much of anything on the net?

Late last year, the Swedish Language Council published a report of words that had entered the Swedish lexicon in 2012. Among them was ogooglebar – ungoogleable, in English. This did not please Google. In fact, according to the Council (you’ll need to enable Google Translate, unless you speak Swedish), Google promptly wrote representatives for the organization, and asked them to remove the word. 

Yahoo! Inc. was founded by Jerry Yang and David Filo in January 1994 and was incorporated on March 1, 1995. On July 16, 2012, former Google executive Marissa Mayer was named as Yahoo! CEO and President, effective July 17.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 27, 2013

I saw part of that Mark. It’s a great start, wish it was on regular TV so that everyone could see it. It shows just how pathetic our health care system is.

It is amazing how uninformed people are about their health which leads to their lack of knowledge of nutrition and healthy foods. If you google “healthy recipes” You get the popular web sites and they all have tons of recipes that most encourage the use of processed chemically induced phoods. Because these web sites say it is “healthy” people believe it. For example; how healthy is processed broth, with added chemicals? Dad uses canola oil to kill ants…. it’s in a lot of processed phoods. Most cotton is gmo, so that means cotton seed oil is gmo, same with corn,beets and sugar,, The list is long.

It’s all about money and power

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D. Smith
March 27, 2013

Yeah, another train wreck we aren’t going to be able to stop with votes or telephone calls or letters or anything else. :sigh:

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D. Smith
March 27, 2013

This is truly a co-mingling of BigPhRma, BigPHood, BigMedical Industry, the DOD, the DOJ, and the fools on the Hill. I truly don’t see any way we’re going to stop them. I’m not trying to be the proverbial gray cloud, but you must admit – there’s a lot of money and power in just those things I’ve named – and that’s not all of them by far. It’s much more about power than it is about money (I mean, really, they already HAVE the money), because that’s what it’s evolved into now. A society of elites who think they know what’s best for the planet and the people on it. If we don’t want to do what they think we should do, they’ll FORCE us to do it.

I agree with everyone who said that trauma care is definitely a necessity – that’s a given. If we’re in an accident we need care from someone else when we can’t give to ourselves, right? So I’m not down on all modern medicine entirely. It’s just so totally overused or misused today. The Sinsurance companies are huge (again, our fault) and they are giving the directions for “health” “care”, but they believe in a pill for every ill rather than prevention of disease and illness – because of their bigPhRma ties. And there’s no care involved whatsoever.

There is one doctor who has been trying to get the word out about how we can (medically) take care of ourselves with basic stuff. Dr. Mark Sircus who wrote Natural Allopathic Medicine. His latest article is here: http://drsircus.com/medicine/magnesium/natural-emergency-intensive-care-medicines It’s all about natural emergency and intensive care medicines. Stuff ER’s use all the time and yet scoff at the natural practitioners for recommending.

Just telling people to eat healthy and do a bunch of mostly unnecessary exercises isn’t going to cut it for much longer. I can think of almost nowhere in the usa where there is a better chance of getting sick than in doctor’s waiting rooms, hospitals and gyms/workout places/spas.

Now with the new monsanto bill being shoved through congress with pretty much only Senator Tester to try to stop it, we’re in even bigger trouble. They won’t stop with phake phoods. Monsanto has big plans.

Ken Conrad
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Ken Conrad
March 27, 2013

“The playing field between farmer rights and the bio-tech companies rights has been tilted towards the companies with this decision….” Percy Schmeiser

In her ruling denying Louise Schmeiser cleanup costs for a large infestation of Monsanto’s RR canola growing in the farm’s shelterbelt and in her organic garden, Judge D. Ebert at Humboldt Provincial Court on March 21,2005 stated,

“Monsanto has a license from the Federal government to allow for the unconfined release, or “pollution” of RR canola into the environment”.

Ken

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 27, 2013

You are absolutely right, it is a co-mingling of all you mentioned and I agree with the rest of your post too.

The only solution I can think of is be your own health advocate, speak up, inform others, it is their choice to listen/act or not. It will be a very slow process for change, slower than the raw milk fight. People are too brainwashed, doped up, uninformed, etc. Change will indeed be slow.

I learned very quickly as a young nurse. I cannot fix everything, I can only share the knowledge I gain and it is up to others what they do with that knowledge. At times it has been a hard pill for me to swallow, as I see the potential that even tiny changes would have made.

People are expected to do drastic changes, for example: a new or old diabetic- the dietician talks to them about foods, carbs,sugars, proteins,fats and tells the patient what they can and cannot eat. The patient is thinking they are supposed to change their whole eating regime at once (kind of like dieters) this leads to failure most of the time.

Change for most people must come in small steps. You can have that piece of pie, only a small sliver of the piece, not a normal piece and after eating it you must go for a walk to burn off the sugar you just ate. Patients understand that statement and are not overwhelmed and are likely to be compliant. It’s a learning process for them too.

All we can do right now, is make sure we have healthy food and water and our own environment is as healthful as possible and inform those who wish to listen about what we learn. Those who don’t open their eyes and make their own changes, will die early and probably in ill health.

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 27, 2013

Oh my gosh, Ken, this is terrible. I hope that Louise will take this further and continue to fight this. How in the heck did Monsanto get that so called license Federal Government, perhaps she should sue the Federal Government for allowing that, sue them for gross negligence. And how can the public get the Federal Government to rescind such a ridiculous, negligent license? Obviously, Monsanto paid off the government to get this!!

Ken Conrad
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Ken Conrad
March 27, 2013

Deborah
Here are a couple of articles on the Schmeisers that I think you will find very interesting, and an inspiration to all of us (farmers and consumers) who are struggling against corporate and government oppression.

http://www.percyschmeiser.com/RightLivelihood.htm

http://www.bbcf.ca/_articles/schmeiser_update_aug05/schmeiser_update_aug05.htm

Ken

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Deborah - Pacifica
March 28, 2013

Thanks for the links, Ken, I am familiar with the first link as that was the one I was following some time back. It is amazing that they were able to fight against Monsanto where previously other farmers were not able to. But, it shows how Monsanto has gotten away with what they have at the expense & detriment of others.

mark mcafee
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March 28, 2013

If this does not piss you off as an American ….you do not have a pulse, a heart or a brain.
http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-congress-silently-slips-830/

This is the pent-ultimate Monsatan act….now Monsanto is protected from liability for any of its BIO TECH…IE GMO crops.

WFT!!!

mark mcafee
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March 28, 2013

There is both a congratulations in hand here and also a oh shit feeling in my heart. Montana just passed a 100% hands off Raw Milk bill.

No standards and no liability to the producer and no testing. This is an old plane with an untrained pilot at the controls and no maintenance and bad fuel looking for a place to crash in the dark of night over the mountains. Any predictions on the outcome?? Bill Marler is about to set some interesting new legal precidents with this one. Childrens & minors rights anyone? They can not be legislated away….neither can the responsibility to produce clean raw milk, regardless of what the stupid legislature says. This one swings so far out of line….it hurts my heart.

Ever heard of responsibly produced raw milk????

mark mcafee
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March 28, 2013

Montana is a great example of what really pissed off people do with over zealous regulations that limit personal rights. They go way over board.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 28, 2013

There are people making big efforts to fight the system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EzZzZ_qpZ4w#!

The following is Montana’s bill http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2013/hb0599/HB0574_1.pdf

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 28, 2013

If someone gets ill from contaminated milk, it doesn’t appear to hurt the industry, just look at those who died from the pasteurized milk a few years ago. Aren’t they still in business? Guess the bottom feeders didn’t “own” their farm..

http://www.kbzk.com/news/montana-raw-milk-bill-stirs-debate/

” he pays about $12,000 a year in inspection fees for his 270 head of dairy cows.”

Seems the dairy farmers haven’t been too business savvy to allow it to come to $12000/yr. I’m thinking perhaps his milk NEEDS to be boiled. Perhaps he can’t compete with selling healthy raw milk? And his milk is price fixed?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-house-backs-raw-milk-bill/article_f6b9ab6a-95a1-11e2-ae4a-0019bb2963f4.html

Passed 98-2, guess the masses have spoken.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/bitterroot-dairymen-oppose-sale-of-raw-milk-cite-health-risks/article_590e097b-71a4-5ea0-9a73-4c7ff52c0165.html

Perhaps jealousy that there is no price fix on raw milk? “It doesn’t put us on an even playing field.” Indeed, money appears to be an issue. Too bad people feel they and other require “policing”. I guess these Montana dairy farmers assume all raw milk dairy farmers don’t use a closed system. Sounds like the Bitterroot dairy farmer is bitter.

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D. Smith
March 28, 2013

@ Sylvia: The MT bill involves small herd operations with 15 or less cows, 30 or less goats (lactating, that is) so this is foreign to Mark who has a large operation. Small herd operators generally take very good care of their animals and obviously that was a part of the reasoning behind the bill.

Also, don’t listen to Bill because he doesn’t know his azz from a hole in the ground when it comes to MT. The MT farmers know just as much about dairy as any WI farmer, and they have politicians with a lot more common sense than anything I’ve seen out of WI in the past two to four years.

But I can definitely see the billboards with marler’s name in huge letters going up all over the state. Next time I go to judge shows in Billings or Laramie or Great Falls or Bozeman I’ll no doubt see them. 😉

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D. Smith
March 28, 2013

@ Mark: Just because there’s not testing required doesn’t mean MT dairy farmers won’t do that. No standards? What does that mean? You think because it’s MT and not CA there are no standards?? I know a lot of people from MT and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if you get some nasty emails at some point. I’d rather see less regulation than more because we have to start somewhere in backing up the train. Do you think that MT dairy farmers weren’t milking until this bill? If they’ve been producing raw milk and people have been drinking it and there have been no deaths (nationwide, as you said yourself) this bill won’t matter a whit, unless guys like marler and pritzker are convincing people they’re sick because of the raw milk and not because of a “bug” of some kind.

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D. Smith
March 28, 2013

@ Sylvai: “Sounds like the Bitterroot dairy farmer is bitter.” Har-har!! Good one. The green-eyed monster.

Ken Conrad
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Ken Conrad
March 28, 2013

I am almost tempted to move to Montana.

There are thousands of gallons of raw milk being sold (illegally) and consumed in Ontario on a daily basis with no illness and absent all the rigorous testing advocated by some on this site.
Ken

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 28, 2013

Isn’t it amazing that the human race is able to survive.

mark mcafee
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March 28, 2013

I applaud Montana…believe me. They won the big raw milk jack pot on this one. What I do not hear or see is a group being formed to help mentor the new inexperienced dairymen that will come out of the woodwork to feed people and try to survive in this new dodge city for raw milk.

Along with this freedom comes huge responsibility. I talk to Charlotte Smith all the time about Oregon and the lousy default standards that are happening all over Oregon. She knows….she takes calls from families that complain about very short shelf life raw milk and want to know if the raw milk is good if the cows are up to their lips in manure and mud and never see a blade of green grass.

Those that embrace freedom…must also embrace producer responsibility. Those two behavioral traits do not nessecarily go together. Perhaps, Montana hates raw milk?? They just gave the producers enough rope and a a tree with a tall enough branch to HANG THEMSELVES. The insurance industry is always the silent regulator. They will never agree to backing up unknown raw milk. It is demonstrated high quality or forget it.

Do you all think I just got off the train this morning….?? Freedom comes with huge responsibility. I have said this so many times. Not all people choose the high road or integrity. Ask Charlotte Smith about this. She knows what I am saying.

Sylvia Gibson
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Sylvia Gibson
March 28, 2013

gee Mark,does every state have “a group being formed to help mentor the new inexperienced dairymen”? because you don’t “hear or see” any groups being formed, it must not be in existence? Didn’t the bill just pass within days?

I would bet the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund would be willing to point those who ask, in a general direction for learning. I would think the up and coming farmers have enough brains to ask at whatever universities there are, I bet they even know how to read.

What makes you think they won’t be responsible? Haven’t many already been producing raw milk? Oh I see, it isn’t YOUR way, so it must be wrong. Get over yourself. We all know about the high road and integrity. you are really sounding like the govt et al.

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rawmilkmike
March 29, 2013

Not everyone can afford $14.00 a gallon Mark.

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rawmilkmike
March 29, 2013

And they’re only testing for the irrelevant. They don’t even test to make sure it’s raw. Selling pasteurised as raw is a big problem in Europe. I see no reason for useless testing that adds $13.00 to every gallon of milk. How can we expect testing from people who talk as though they no nothing about raw milk, people that have never even studied the difference between raw and pasteurised milk. People that are afraid of a little competition.

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Lynn_M
March 29, 2013

The Montana House passed the Raw Milk bill 98-2. Doesn’t it still have to go through the Montana Senate and then the governor before it becomes law?

Lynn

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null.set
March 29, 2013

anyone who truly cares about feeding his family properly, will pay the going rate for top quality milk. That being = what the farmer needs not only to survive, but prosper. Surely you agree that the workman is worthy of his hire ? Where is it written that it’s the duty of farmers, to subsidize consumers?
If you’re not making enough $$ to buy sustenance – then the solution to that problem lies within yourself … not, by beating-down the producer.