New Jersey is seeking to preserve its image as one of the least tolerant states in the country for raw milk by serving at least eight of its residents with “cease and desist” letters claiming they are “selling and distributing unpasteurized (raw) milk in this state.”
The letters, which arrived late last week via certified mail, demand that the recipients, within five days, “provide written confirmation that these practices have ceased…Failure to cease and desist in the sale and distribution of raw milk in this state will result in the Department’s pursuit of appropriate civil sanctions against you.” The letters are signed by Loel Muetter, program manager of the Public Health and Food Protection Program. (I have reproduced one of the letters here, without the names of the recipient or other related data.)
Most of the communities are in the south and central part of the state. Among those targeted by the NJ Department of Health are Cranbury, Princeton, Plainsboro, S. Plainfield, and Summit. Most of them include significant numbers of Indian and other Asian immigrants. Last week, the NJ Department of Health disputed one of my posts alleging that one of its investigators was involved in targeting these communities. It turned out that the investigation was likely carried out by one or more county health department investigators. But clearly, the NJ Department of Health was calling the shots.
As the NJ Department of Health no doubt intended, the letters have created a panic among the recipients and other members of the community who consume raw milk. “I am fearful of possible fines,” one recipient of the cease-and-desist order told me. “We’re frightened. It could be in the thousands.”
But this resident, who didn’t want to be identified, also expressed anger. “They want to cut off this great food. The gall of them!”
The targeted residents say the letter’s accusations are untrue, that they aren’t either selling or distributing raw milk in New Jersey. The milk is purchased at a farm in Pennsylvania, they say, and residents have it brought to the homes of volunteers in NJ who hold the milk until neighbors can pick it up. These volunteers don’t handle money and aren’t paid.
Indeed, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2011 issued a statement sanctioning the transport of raw milk across state lines by consumers “for his or her own personal consumption.”
Presumably the FDA doesn’t see the NJ residents as fitting into its 2011 exception statement, since the agency gets involved in pretty much every situation alleging interstate sale and/or distribution of raw milk, and should be assumed to be involved in this one, helping guide the NJ Department of Health.
At least one food rights organization, the Real Food Consumer Coalition, is monitoring the New Jersey situation. It is seeking to provide the recipients of the cease-and-desist letters with legal assistance, and asks that supporters direct new funding to its fund-raising web site to aid in that effort.
Thank you again David for being the forerunner on this critical news. It very much appears that this is the time to unite and support the real-food community in New Jersey. RFCC was instrumental in getting Amos Miller of Miller’s Organics off of his contempt of court charges, as well as implementing the Citizens Petition on interstate transportation and labeling with Jonathan Emord. Lets all rally behind RFCC and the fight against this latest attack on our access to the nutrient dense foods we choose.
Looking forward to hearing from Liz Reitzig and RFCC to see what we can all do to help…
In addition to the steps you mention, Zak, I would encourage all NJ raw milk drinkers, along with everyone in the state who supports food rights, to contact their state reps, and protest this aggressive enforcement behavior. The state legislators control the budget of the NJ Department of Health, and thus have more influence than anyone else on its behavior.
why label it something other than what it really is.thats not the truth either
thats what the country of australia does
but we are american…we have to say and do it better ..just tell it for what it is…raw grass fed organic milk
no?
With the upcoming Christmas reenactment of Washington Crossing the Delaware and onto Trenton (A turning point in the revolutionary battle for independence), I have been thinking about all of the Pennsylvania raw drinking milk that crosses that same river.
http://www.washingtoncrossingpark.org/event/christmas-crossing-2017/
Perhaps what’s needed is another kind of reenactment for the Raw Milk Revolution.
Dr. Heckman,
Seems it is going to take something of that magnitude to make any changes :>)
For such an reenactment I could imagine Mark McAfee cast as George Washington.
Sounds as though NJ is just sort of making up the rules as they go along. They must not understand their own protocol. How apropos. Totally opportunistic, ruining lives and livlihoods as they go. But I would imagine that IS the goal.
I suspect this is more strategic than would appear at first glance. I think they (FDA, NJ, NY, PA) have been frustrated by their inability to shut down Udder Milk, and some other producers/distributors, so now they’ve moved on to what they think might be a “sweet spot” for them–ordinary consumers, with a big emphasis on immigrants. They want to hit people who won’t fight back, or will be fearful of fighting back. If they do decide to fight back, though, the regulators will be in a tight spot. Who do they go after next?
Yes sir, I believe you are correct in your assessment, David. States and guvmint agencies have money at their disposal so they don’t really mind if it takes time to accomplish their mission. Sad, though, that it’s taxpayer money and they’re in the process of closing down taxpaying businesses. They are using our own money against us. To me that’s sorta like having the guvmint tax what we earn and then they can also tax what we spend. Has there ever been a crazier system?
until we face our real accuser or manufactured accuser here at udder milk………
until then way to many sick people we have as members who work with natural doctors who rely on us to stay healthy …..for 12 years I might add.
i hope these people that own these homes don’t cease and desist as well.
We have to take this crisis and not let it go to waste.
Rally …make a stand with hundreds at each home if possible when the farmer arrives with his food if they try and take it we take it back this time.
we have the internet it can be done in minutes .when i was raided on the streets of manhattan everyone just stood by
i was the only one yelling and trying to take back MY food they stole from me.…
They feel they can still do things to us because we are granting it to them by way of compliance.
THE ONLY PERSON I CAN THINK OF THAT WAS DEFIANT THAT MAKES A MARK WITH ME IN HISTORY IS ROSA PARKS
history is in the making folks
if you are strong and be brave.
IF THERE IS AN AMAZING NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT EACH RESIDENCE ….I MEAN IN THE HUNDREDS !!!! NOT 20 OR 30 BUT HUNDREDS !!!!!THIS HAS TO GET NEWS ATTENTION IN A POSITIVE WAY FOR ALL OF US
isnt that how things became easier for each generation when faced with adversity.
I WILL BE THERE AT EACH HOME…I JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO ORGANIZE IT.
MAYBE THROUGH RFCC IS A BETTER WAY
I would love to freeze my ass off for the cause. When, where, and how? Is the river frozen over or is it still flowing?
This should obviously be part of a fund raising, hell raising, media educating event.
I would be honored. Joe…. you need to be there too!! Everyone needs to be there!!
My raw butter Citizens Petition still sits unanswered at the fda ! This interstate commerce raw dairy issue needs to end !
Mark
David–Thank you for covering this.
It is deeply disturbing what is happening in New Jersey–and, as you mention, most likely in collusion with the FDA.
The fact that state or county bureaucrats are working hard to intimidate peaceful residents simply because they are allowing community members to gather at their homes–this has much broader implications on many levels.
While on the surface this appears to be about raw milk, we need to look seriously at what is happening here and how the current laws and regulations encourage this kind of enforcement.
Regarding: “U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2011 issued a statement sanctioning the transport of raw milk across state lines ‘for his or her own personal consumption.’”
Is there another Freedom Ride brewing?
In 2011, I spearheaded the Raw Milk Freedom Riders (RMFR) because consumers and raw milk advocates were frustrated with the FDA’s draconian enforcement measures and policy to investigate, spy and raid the milk producers who were delivering fresh nutrient dense raw milk across state lines. A close circle of raw milk advocate/activist friends and I organized the first Freedom Riders event (as you were first to report David) on November 1, 2011. The RMFR (a caravan of raw milk procuring moms) transported fresh milk from Pennsylvania into Maryland and then proceeded to join the RMFR rally in front of the FDA headquarters in Silver Spring Maryland where we distributed and enjoyed delicious raw milk and cookies. That very same day, the FDA released a statement saying, “The FDA has never taken, nor does it intend to take, enforcement action against an individual who purchased and transported raw milk across state lines solely for his or her own personal consumption.”
The Farm Food Freedom Coalition (F3C), which I co-founded, continued to ask the FDA for dialog on the above matter in order to meet the needs of the thousands of consumers fighting the government for their right to choose and procure this healthy food against the FDA’s ongoing policy, and government overreach. F3C boldly stated, “We are in the minority and our rights are not being considered, we deserve to be heard.” For years F3C has “tried to work with the FDA to meet their needs to protect consumers from unsafe food while keeping the freedom for those who seek unprocessed, fresh raw milk to continue to have access to this healthy, healing product.”
From conception, F3C has suggested that, “raw milk crossing state lines for human consumption could be labeled with the same warnings as other foods receive that are potentially dangerous when consumed raw (like poultry, pork, beef, oysters).” We state,“ All we ask is raw milk be treated fairly, instead of outlawing it. The FDAs policy appears to be arbitrary and in the best interest of food processors to restrict access to raw milk. Prove us wrong by opening the discussion and protecting the rights of those in the minority who seek raw milk meant for human consumption.”
Further, I helped create RFCC when the USDA was pursuing charges against Amos Miller’s buying club (Miller’s Organic). RFCC, in conjunction with PA attorney Joseph Macaluso, worked to keep all consumer information away from the courts and the agencies and was instrumental in finding a peaceful resolution to Amos’ contempt of court charges. Thus, protecting both consumers and farmers from overzealous regulations and the regulators tasked with enforcing those regulations even when it means targeting their own community members.
RFCC was victorious in representing Amos and negotiating the contempt conditions, has delivered probably the most realistic plan for reducing abusive enforcement through our Citizen’s Petition with the law firm Emord & Assoc., and we are now fighting to help the consumers in NJ. The FDA is using a bottom-to-top strategy to isolate individual consumers and to circumvent the RFCC Citizen Petition and go after another farmer in their aggressive overreach to protect big corporations and destroy small farmers. Currently, no raw milk farmer is safe.
Yes, it is time to again challenge these laws and regs. The petition remains the best means to do so, along with a concerted political campaign to change the law and repeal the interstate ban entirely. Along with that, we must insist on public scrutiny of the FDA’s role in enforcement and collaboration in destroying the lives of peaceful Americans and America’s guests. The FDA is relentlessly pursuing their agenda to shut down raw milk production and consumption. Ultimately, they will not do that. But it is up to us to act proactively prevent the further loss of life and liberty for our community members–whether they are Americans or our honored guests.
Just did a little digging into the George Washington reinactment idea. Every year there are reinactments. In fact this is the 53rd year for one organizations. There are big challenges. The water levels are very low and will not float normal reinactments boats. There are thousands of people attending these events. I don’t know how we would keep our message from being lost under the reinactment celebrations that are already planned.
Lots to think about.
I do think that this is a time to stand up and protest with a clear message!!
I’m glad to see you bring up these issues and making it publicly known. I used to live in New Jersey and am familiar with almost all the communities you mentioned. Now I’m in Delaware. I buy raw milk from Pennsylvania. I’d like to add a few things to what you said. The link to the FDA you provided makes a statement, “in recent years, however, a small number of Americans (less than 1 percent) have rejected pasteurization in favor of raw (or unpasteurized) milk.” If less than 1% of Americans reject pasteurization, why make a big deal about it? Wouldn’t it be better to fry bigger fish? Isn’t it racist to go after minorities like this? I think you can probably see the points I’m making, and I’m sure the points I’m making have probably already been brought up. It irritates me on how the government’s resources and our tax dollars are used in this way. It’s a clear example of how the government is not efficient with how it operates. I definitely agree that those living in New Jersey, even if they are not raw milk drinkers, should contact their state representatives. There is a lot of corruption in New Jersey, but every voice can help. Thanks for reporting on what’s going on.
Mark,
I was just tossing out some ideas to illustrate the absurdity and unsustainability of the current illegal distribution status within New Jersey. Attempts to change the law have gone on since at least 2006.
Thousands from New Jersey venture over to Pennsylvania to buy real food as if Garden State is not allowed feed itself.
I have written about this before: What Raw Milk Sales Would Do for New Jersey: https://www.realmilk.com/commentary/raw-milk-sales-new-jersey/
If someone wants to organize an event here is how it could be done: At the site where George Washington crossed the Delaware River there are state parks on both the Pennsylvania and New Jersey sides in commemoration of the historic crossing. When Washington and his army crossed the river it was nighttime and a very risky venture that succeeded in changing the course of history.
There is no need to take the risk of crossing the Delaware by boat since there is a pedestrian bridge for easy crossing. Imagine a very long parade of coolers filled with milk from farms on the PA side and walked across that bridge. All coolers pulled by families from NJ.
Mark, you could lead the parade dressed as George Washington and upon reaching the NJ side and give a speech. Also, maybe some Jersey cows or dairy goats could be walked across that bridge too. Imagine the attention this would generate. One could also go further onto Trenton, following in the footsteps of George Washington, to bring about historic change – A Raw Milk Revolution.
Such activism is not for Christmas Day but rather some Saturday when lots of people from NJ are already going over to PA for milk pickup. There are parking areas and plenty of open space to rally and organize on both sides of the Delaware near that pedestrian bridge at Washington Crossing State Parks.
Joseph, there is a model for what you are envisioning. Liz Reitzig in her earlier post today describes the journey of the Raw Milk Freedom Riders going from PA to MD in 2011. I wrote about it as well:
http://www.davidgumpert.com/raw-milk-freedom-riders-elicit-pledge-from-fda-not-to-enforce-interstate-ban-on-individuals-and-promise-of-face-to-face-discussion-schmidt-its-dialog-or-death
This is a great idea
but i think christmas day as this is a gift from god the cow
most people are visual so a protest such as this will tell a story
just like a documentary film it can hit to the heart strings better
great idea mr beckman
when do we start ??????
we have to make sure thousands are there not hundreds
i can round up a member call-to-duty from udder milk i hope
Interesting map of top private employers in each State…
http://didyouknowfacts.com/map-shows-largest-employer-every-state/?utm_content=inf_10_3493_2&utm_source=TSE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TSECPC&tse_id=INF_830a10d0e36011e786aad3298b3272c2
Wakefern Food Corporation, founded in 1946 is the largest employer in New Jersey.
And I would imagine that employers #2, 3, and 4 are pharmaceutical companies. So, yes, NJ is beholden to Big Food and Big Pharma. One other thing to keep in mind about NJ: Its governor and associates thought nothing of creating a huge 5-day traffic jam in 2013 on one of the major bridges going from NJ to NYC….all to get back at the mayor of a small town near the bridge. No, not the most caring place about its citizens.
no its not david ….. especially the mentally ill
A recent quote, which hits the nail right on the head when it comes to our over-regulated society. If a person didn’t know for sure, you’d swear they were talking directly about the FDA.
“Congress has abandoned much of its responsibility to legislate [see Article I, Section I of the U.S. Constitution: “All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States”], and has instead given unelected regulators … extraordinary power to control the lives of others. The courts have let this massive power grab go almost completely unchecked and have almost always ruled in favor of big government. With billions and billions of dollars wasted, regulation is a stealth taxation. So many of these enormous regulatory burdens were imposed on our citizens with no vote, no debate, and no accountability.”
In other words, these “regulations” were forced upon us by *appointed* regulators, since CONgress tends to abandon their foremost responsibilities. What a shame. This takes in quite a lot of territory in the lives of people living in the USA. Why do we have a CONgress who tends to be rather/mostly impotent except at wasting our tax money? It sounds as though this has been known for some time now, so why isn’t it being fixed? I guess this is how the whole payola thing continues on and on and on. Unchecked. And it will likely remain unchecked because it is now so deeply entrenched. No wonder everyone and their dog wants to run for a seat in WADC.
George Washington would definitely have something to say about cows and raw milk. It was a matter of policy in 1636 that every new settler had a cow or they starved. That’s thenway progress was made in the early years at Jamestown. As a pilgrim, You died without your cow and your musket.
I am all for another raw milk freedom riders event. This time it’s the Raw Milk Revolution event. We need to make some national headline news over this. Kids and Cows at the Patomac…
With crazy man in the whitehouse it’s darn near impossible to grab headlines. He grabs them all.
How do we out Trump Trump for headline news and motivate the people to show up and protest??!!
If someone organizes the Raw Milk Revolution to cross the Delaware River into NJ as I suggested, I will be there with my cooler to join the parade.
Meanwhile modern foods continue to replace traditional food – anything goes except fresh unprocessed organic grass fed milk
“This is being driven by changes at every level: By individuals who want to explore and experiment with new food products to start-up companies developing disruptive food technologies to large firms seeking to expand product lines to meet the demand for food that is not only tasty, but also good for you,” she said. “It’s really become a hot area, it is open to anyone and is a great tool for economic development.’’
Rutgers Helps Bring Global Food Businesses to New Jersey
https://news.rutgers.edu/rutgers-helps-bring-global-food-businesses-new-jersey/20171218#.WjggNlWnGUk
How you ask Mark!?
Tell the mainstream media to get over their emotional obsession with Trump.
The media aught to take Ben Shapiro’s advice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SWi0yP74FA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spNuBJ2JUbU
It’s unbelievable that in the United States of America we citizens find we’re living in fear about being able to buy clean unprocessed dairy products many of us so desperately need for serious health issues that we have. The tactics of threats and intimidation against some of these farmers are appalling. You’d think it was a third world dictatorship! The whole system masquerades as caring and protective of the public, while it is in reality controlled by the industries who feel their bottom lines threatened. They have captured the watchdog agencies that are supposed to police them. There’s nothing honorable or aboveboard about it.
As for the media, what should we expect from them! They’re nothing but a corporate foghorn.
We are lied to about the supposed dangers of raw milk. We’ve been wonderfully helped by these dairy products, and couldn’t do without them.
I am for the raw milk freedom riders or raw milk revolution match, anytime it is called for. No one should legislate on my choice, as an adult of full age and reasoning, on what or what not to eat or drink. I will definitely contact my state rep, to protest this discriminatory aggressive tactic being employed against the consumers of raw milk in New Jersey.
Ken Conrad thank you for your remarks by DR,Auturo Casadevall ,I also suggest reading his remarks concerning vaccines in a study prepared for Policy Makers for Science Based Decisions Committee on Science ,Technology and Law .DR.Casadevall stated Vaccine benefits not only the individual who is vaccinated but also society ,since immune individuals do not become ill and cannot be vectors for spreading disease . There are side effects to vaccines as well as other things we come accross in life, some chrildren get ill from eating peanut butter ,raw milk ,pasturized milk, hot dogs Lima beans ,etc there are no guaranties in life ,but we go on.Most stories about vaccine problems are antedotal( that’s a fact).Anti-vaxx movements are resistant to scientific information indicating that vaccines are safe and effective. Autism is not caused by vaccines ,another fact. This blog seems to have an a lot of contributors with an inordinate amount of medical facts most antedotal.Thank you
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I’m aware of Casadevall belief in vaccines. Individuals such as he who are knowledgeable about the science of immunity yet hold to their belief in vaccines find themselves speaking out of both sides of their mouth. As far as your belief that vaccines do not cause autism perhaps you can back up your statement with factual information other then the usual shallow rhetoric. In the meantime I suggest you read the following article.
https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/high-aluminum-found-autism-brain-tissue/
“Robert F. Kennedy Note: Dr. Christopher Exley’s study is on aluminum in the brains of 10 donors who had autism. They contained some of the highest levels of aluminum ever recorded in human brain, and the aluminum was found in the brain’s immune cells, the microglia and the cells which provide support and protection for the neurons, the glia. How does a 15 year old have as much aluminum in his brain as someone who is many decades older who has died of familial Alzheimer’s disease? Dr. Exley’s findings have shocking implications for today’s generation of children who receive 5,000 mcg. of aluminum in vaccines by the age of 18 months and up to 5,250 additional mcg. if all recommended boosters, HPV and meningitis vaccines are administered.”
@ William March: Most of your “facts” seem to originate at the CDC. The majority of Americans are so sick of all the BS coming from the CDC (some of which they’ve even admitted to) they are not inclined to believe anything at all from such a corrupt agency. That would include you and all your “facts”.
Like!!
What the fuck, let the people drink and eat whatever they want, stop regulating everything! ridiculous!
@ Wally: Ditto. 😉
I will continue to support the farmers providing me with raw milk. They (the FDA) try too hard to control the message but thankfully I know the history of their scare tactics. What a bunch of bullies they are. I as an adult have consented to purchase this milk for my own use and enjoyment.
Ken Conrad Thank you for the info on Robert F. Kennedy jr and Dr.Christopher Exley .As far as R.F.K jr the poor man’s brain has been fried by years of alcohol ,marjuana ,lsd,and heroin use,his condition was so bad it was tragic .R.F.K.jr is against the milatary ,gas & oil coal ,nuclear power and hydro power ,also against wind power of Cape Cod ,he’s pretty much against everything ,he is an environmental lawyer ,I doubt he could get a job if he was not a Kennedy .Dr.Exleys studies of aluminum in vaccines causing autism have been disproven by many scientists,his studies were sloppy,poorly executed ,poorly analyzed .and nothing scientifically useful .I will say it again vacines do not cause autism ,you can look up the studies yourself if you are interested there are too many for me to quote .D. Smith FYI I have never looked up anything the CDC has to say I don’t have to ,although I do believe they try to inform the public of possible harms to general health .Thank you
William,
There is an abundance of evidence that a vaccine-autism link exists. It is dishonest and irresponsible to make the claim that there is “no connection between vaccines and autism”. Anyone who makes this claim is offering propaganda, not science. To suggest that vaccines are safe and effective, without any qualifiers, is being deceptive and unscientific.
Are you unaware or perhaps unheeding of the US National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program that was created in response to the significant injuries caused by vaccines? Since 1989 the above program has awarded more than 3.8 billion dollars in compensation to the victims of vaccine injury, including permanent disability and death, and this represents only a fraction of the documented injuries caused by vaccines!
The safety and efficacy of the current childhood vaccine schedule has not been proven in large, long-term clinical trials… Nor have vaccinations been tested for carcinogenicity, toxicity, genotoxicity, mutagenicity, or for long-term adverse reactions.
In my country, Canada is an anomaly relative to the G7 nations (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States)… Not only is she the only country to have an outright ban on raw milk sales she is also an outlier by not providing compensation to victims of vaccine injury. You would fit in well up here!
@ Wm. March: Well then, where DO you get all of your “facts”?
I agree with Kathy on this issue: REAL doctors don’t need to see “fake” studies provided by the CDC or Johns Hopkins or any other guvmint controlled research facility to know what they see when looking at the vacant stare of a child with Autism or Asperget’s and after talking to the parents of that child.
Don’t ever forget, William: science is for sale. Always.
Have a great Christmas.
Sorry, that should be Asperger’s. I sure wish this site had an edit feature………
NEW JERSEY JUST PASSED A 696 TO HAVE LEGAL SALES OF RAW MILK…
mr march..thats ok that you think dr. exleys didn’t do well researching the connection with vaccines and autism. There are hundred more doctors that have proven the connection.the smart ones know…they don’t have to see studies they see many children after they have gotten the flu shot and KNOW SOMETHING UP….You don’t have to be a study person to figure that one out.You just have to see over and over kids and the stories from their moms exactly when they went downhill by not talking …glazy stare in the eyes…no eye contact..it was usually right after a vaccine was injected.im sorry but this is true.
William March visit Dr. Joseph Mercola’s article on vaccines here: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/12/16/how-much-do-you-know-about-vaccine-safety.aspx
Please don’t rip the good doctor apart like you did RFK jr.
I’m all for a Real Milk Revolution and will continue to support the farmers who supply me with food I want to consume.
What really gets me is the government tactics here. I mean, if they are acting in the best interest of residents, why wouldn’t the Health Dept start with a friendly visit or a nice letter to residents? They moved straight to scary threats. Shame on them. I think it’s fair to say that most people wouldn’t even think that buying food directly from a small farm could be illegal in any way. You would think in America that you have the right to choose what foods you eat… or don’t eat. The system is broken.
Zak I believe this is all to throw us of the track ….to mislead us into thinking something else..bottom line is this
new jersey just passed a law i believe making raw milk sales legal i think?
so what better way to get customers right away is to do away with udder milk and the farmer that we know of that brings to southern new jersey people.
the raw milk farms in new jersey are all in these areas.
i do believe the farmers in new jersey want they’re time now for sales and to do away with the competition thats one way to generate sales quickly.If Im wrong maybe ken could comment on this or you zak.
again i don’t believe its an immigration thing.
kathy from udder milk.com
NJ has passed NO law legalizing raw milk. Legislation has been introduced two or three times over the last half dozen years to legalize raw milk, but it has been blocked in committee or otherwise defeated after intense opposition from the public health community and processed milk industry. NJ advocates would like to be able to obtain their milk locally, from NJ farms. These farms would benefit economically, by getting much higher prices for their milk than they get from the processors. Right now, nearly all raw milk comes into the state from neighboring Pennsylvania.
I’m afraid you’ve got things very confused on this, Kathy.
when i went to the web cite garden state raw it says something there i may be very confused
maybe they passed an “act” not a “bill”
anyway at garden state raw …which was formed for all new jersey farmers it says something there
its GARDEN STATE RAW/FACEBOOK
please someone tell me what this means
hmmmm …maybe they have to vote again???
david i went to the legiscan .com that bill posted.I do believe that it di pass.please go to this and read.THIS MAY BE WHY WE AT UDDERMILK ARE HAVING PROBLEMS AND THE OTHER FAMRER WE KNOW OF AS WELL
IT CLEARLY STATES THAT IT “PASSED” WHAT PASSED…THE PERMIT SALES OF RAW MILK
PLEASE TELL ME IF IM SEEING SOMETHING WRONG DAVID.
OMG….i guess thats why i could never work in a bank…i went back to garden state raw…..the vote was 5-o but that was december 22nd 2016.I WAS OFF BY ONE YEAR.I read into this all wrong…sorry folks
Kathy, you can keep up with news about legislation at https://legiscan.com . No rumors required.
thaanx bill
There is a book about “science for sale”:
Science for Sale: How the US Government Uses Powerful Corporations and Leading Universities to Support Government Policies, Silence Top Scientists, Jeopardize Our Health, and Protect Corporate Profits 1st Edition
by David L. Lewis PhD (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Science-Sale-Government-Corporations-Universities/dp/1626360715
Ken and D.Smith,
I agree with what you both are saying, the evidence is striking, that is, if you have an open mind and are not embedded with mainstream medicine. Read Dr. David Brownstein MD Mr. March.
Your Quote:
“FYI I have never looked up anything the CDC has to say I don’t have to”
Really Mr. March, you are trying to imply you know all the CDC does and then some( your inference), you have a very small ego, sir :>) You need to open your mind and read something besides government ans AMA sponsored medical literature LOL!! A lot of young girls faint when getting the Gardisil sp.?( hpv vaccine)vaccination, Research has shown that around 90% of people will clear this virus from their body without any type of vaccine or medicine. It would be a lot better to try and build one’s immune systems than to overload them( esp. so in children, most of the time too many vaccinations and too young of a child, hellfire, giving a baby a vaccination when that baby does not even have an immune system developed yet is barbaric!!)
Dr.Heckman,
I know at Michigan State University Herbert W. Dow( of Dow Chemical) is the endowed chair of the Crop and Soil Sciences Building( just one, for example), would Dow Chemical have any influence on the curriculum or does the Michigan Farm Bureau have any influence on state legislation( think, illegal to photograph a farm now, even though it was the SPCA who basically caused this legislation to pass photographing what most urban people would perceive as “inhumane”, just another one example)? I think most of us know the answers, “Science for Sale” sounds quite Orwellian Dr. Heckman LOL!!
@WILLIAM MARCH (3rd time is a charm?) “WILLIAM MARCH” — I see you are very active in these raw milk blogs (last three). Therefore there is no way you could have missed my very specific questions to you… Again, for the 3rd time I am asking the following plus one more bonus question:
BONUS QUESTION:
6. Being as you are unwilling to answer very specific and simple questions that you have obviously read, and based on your new input regarding vaccines, one tends to think that you may be a retired federal employee that is unable to shake ingrained, coerced and manipulated data and ideology from a previous agency thus still spewing propaganda, or you are still getting paid to do so. Are you still on payroll?
3rd time asking the following questions:
1. Can you share which “[N]ative American” Tribes or Tribal members were sold to and harassed by the NJ agency? (NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist)
2. You state Udder Milk is using another name and has gone into hiding yet I see a person named Kathy on here claiming she is with, or founded Udder Milk? What is the name of the business Udder Milk is now selling under? (NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist & Who Was That Masked Man?)
3. You claim, “N.J state officials are going to different neighborhoods advising people that purchased this milk to get medical attention.” Is this a blanket operation? Seems like that would be very costly for agents to be going door to door…
4. You claim that, “New Jersey is not looking to deport or intimidate Indian people…” I do not recall this article [NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist] being about “deportation.” Why would you mis-inform and try and divert the narrative? It seems like you are implementing initial stages of mass gaslighting.
To be clear Mr. March, I am not name calling or attacking you in any way. I just find it hard to believe that you are not an agent provocateur trolling raw milk consumer sites and blogs based on your comments I have seen in this thread as well as other social media threads.
5. You make very specific claims that can only be made by a government agency employee or contractor with inside information. Can you verify your source(s) or are you possibly on a government payroll to distract commenters from the original scope and topic of the pro-raw milk articles you comment on?
Zak,
LIKE!!
Zak I believe this is all to throw us of the track ….to mislead us into thinking something else..bottom line is this
new jersey just passed a law i believe making raw milk sales legal i think?
so what better way to get customers right away is to do away with udder milk and the farmer that we know of that brings to souther new jersey people.
the raw milk farms in new jersey are all in these areas.
i do believe the farmers in new jersey want they’re time now for sales and to do away with the competition thats one way to generate sales quickly.If Im wrong maybe ken could comment on this or you zak.
again i don’t believe its an immigration thing.
kathy from udder milk.com
Kris I will try to go easy on Dr. Joseph Mercola, he is a WACK A DOODLE who should be ignored ,and is by most sane and intelligent people in the good old USA .TAHANK YOU
Mr. March, interesting how you are gaslighting and trying re-direct the narratives of these blogs and comments. In three different blogs you were asked some very basic questions… I am sure we are all interested in hearing your answers being as you are trying so desperately to be heard 😉
This sounds like another example of science for sale:
Acres Interview:
http://ecofarmingdaily.com/glyphosate-a-toxic-legacy/
I was suspicious and took a dim view of glyphosate (Roundup) ever since it was first introduced and promoted as non-toxic and biodegradable. As I stated back then and on numerous occasions over the years, “Anything with such a wide spectrum of toxicity cannot but be harmful and dangerous…
If you are concerned about glyphosate use and have a hankering for green tea then you might want to read this article, share it, avoid the green tea in mention, and sign their petition.
https://action.organicconsumers.org/content_item/oca-email?email_blast_KEY=1382957
Dr. Heckman,
Thank You!! A very good read, I’m sharing it wide and far, of course where else but Acres,USA !!!
I did not Realize Bayer was so much larger than Monsanto, Bayer, a remnant of Hitler’s Germany Gotta Love It!!
Again, Thank you!!
William March, wackadoodle
An eccentric, ditsy, arcane, funny, person. Is generally a goodnatured and sympathetic person. Not to be confused with a “wackjob,” who can be nasty,or violent.
Instead of the name calling, how about those answers Zak mentioned above?
Mr. March,
You obviously march to the tune of the propaganda machine, march on soldier!!
Hey, Trenton, let’s end this half-baked idea
Only in Jersey would we be arguing about cookies during the holiday baking season. But we are. And New Jersey quite literally is the only state that would be having this discussion, because it is the only state in the nation that bans the sale of home-baked goods for profit.
http://www.roi-nj.com/2017/12/20/opinion/hey-trenton-lets-end-half-baked-idea/
Freedom! I demand my right to commit suicide by drinking raw milk! I hope never to set foot in New Jersey. Liberty!
Lame V = guys like you are invaluable in a political activity : personifying the maxim “nothing is so useless it cannot a least be used as a bad example” Your quip demonstrating how thoroughly-brainwashed the herd is, on this topic. Probably 12 million people will be drinking REAL MILK, today in America. NONE of whom will get sick. The majority will derive benefits to the their health which have been cooked out of “homo milk” = that whitish ersatz fluid retailed as “homo milk”
Focus of this forum is ; the actual risk of harm to the public health, of REAL MILK versus all other foodstuffs in commerce. The FACTS are overwhelmingly on our side. But guys like you would rather make your ignorance obvious/ braying like a mule – than do the minimum investigation of the topic, then think for yourself.
Gordon,
You have become so serious that you cannot even see satire!!
Dutcher = I’ve been at this political activism for over 30 years. I have a real good understanding of satire…. better than you. My friend Arthur Topham was convicted of “hate speech” per section 319 of the Criminal Code, for publishing on the internet what Mister Justice Butler, himself, pronounced as “satire”. You lack understanding of the power of the Big Lie. So – child that you are – dispense with catcalls from the Peanut Gallery, re my understanding of the English language. Obviously, you have no experience how the Big Lie, repeated, corrupts good communication. Latest example : the lamestream media putting out the notion that the CDC says ‘raw milk is 150 times more dangerous than Pasteurized’. Now that piece of PROVABLE fake news, is carved in stone. But of course you don’t care … selfish little mouse that you are, with your personal supply of raw milk. ‘And to hell with everyone else’ …. those of us working to make important nutrition, available to those who need it.
Then quit wasting your time on this blog and get out there and DO something, besides slandering people!! LOL!! Personally, I don’t give a rat’s behind what you have to say, I think you are just an egotistical fool that has a very high opinion of himself, the “GOD” syndrome LOL!!!
Actually Watson, I have never met you and hope I don’t ever have to, I do not know you, but I certainly do NOT like you or your holier than thou attitude, so pack sand mister!!
Gordon,
My wife and I are so selfish that for 20 plus years we have not only direct marketed our farm products, but also give away lots of food to people in need, we teach people about nutrition, organic farming practices, take on interns, etc.,etc.
Ye know little of what ye speak, Gordy!!
you’re just such a hell-of-a=guy, in your own estimation, aren’t you, Mister Dutcher? Let’s see if you’ve got the intellectual wherewithal to apply your advice to yourself : you came in late to this movie, so you = obviously = you have no idea of my contribution to the Campaign for REAL MILK. Thousands of people are drinking REAL MILK, in Canada, tonight, partly because of my efforts on that front for the last 22 years. They were convinced when I put some on their hands, and I delivered it to their doorsteps, in order to prove the concept of the most successfull cowshare in North America, for a while – 2007/ 2014. But of course you don’t know that. in your smugness, glorying in sneaking your private portion across state lines … as though that matters in the bigger picture, which is what I’m concerned with.
I see you have quite an estimation of your own, concerning thyself, never said anything about going across ANY state lines, we have had cowshares in Michigan longer than that,you think you are the only one doing this ???
Your ego clouds your view of other folks work, good night Watson and Merry Christmas from my wife and myself :>)
John Dutcher Bayer was founded in 1856 why are you calling Bayer a remnant of Hitler ?.It seems to me that we are taking what the Natsi’s and Hitler did too lightly, when we want to criticize someone or something we now refer to them as Natsi or Hitler thats deplorable .I don’t think you have a very good kmowledge of history otherwise you would not compare compare Bayer to Hitler. In Lancaster Pa. we have a Pa.Dutch saying that goes something like this Be sure thy gehirn is in ausrustung before thou sprict otherwise thou might be considered a dummkopf.Thank you .
@WILLIAM MARCH (3rd time is a charm?) “WILLIAM MARCH” — I see you are very active in these raw milk blogs (last three). Therefore there is no way you could have missed my very specific questions to you… Again, for the 3rd time I am asking the following plus one more bonus question:
BONUS QUESTION:
6. Being as you are unwilling to answer very specific and simple questions that you have obviously read, and based on your new input regarding vaccines, one tends to think that you may be a retired federal employee that is unable to shake ingrained, coerced and manipulated data and ideology from a previous agency thus still spewing propaganda, or you are still getting paid to do so. Are you still on payroll?
3rd time asking the following questions:
1. Can you share which “[N]ative American” Tribes or Tribal members were sold to and harassed by the NJ agency? (NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist)
2. You state Udder Milk is using another name and has gone into hiding yet I see a person named Kathy on here claiming she is with, or founded Udder Milk? What is the name of the business Udder Milk is now selling under? (NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist & Who Was That Masked Man?)
3. You claim, “N.J state officials are going to different neighborhoods advising people that purchased this milk to get medical attention.” Is this a blanket operation? Seems like that would be very costly for agents to be going door to door…
4. You claim that, “New Jersey is not looking to deport or intimidate Indian people…” I do not recall this article [NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist] being about “deportation.” Why would you mis-inform and try and divert the narrative? It seems like you are implementing initial stages of mass gaslighting.
To be clear Mr. March, I am not name calling or attacking you in any way. I just find it hard to believe that you are not an agent provocateur trolling raw milk consumer sites and blogs based on your comments I have seen in this thread as well as other social media threads.
5. You make very specific claims that can only be made by a government agency employee or contractor with inside information. Can you verify your source(s) or are you possibly on a government payroll to distract commenters from the original scope and topic of the pro-raw milk articles you comment on?
William March,
Read your history, Bayer was complicit in Hitler’s Germany doing human experiments.
@WILLIAM MARCH (5th FIFTH time is a charm?) “WILLIAM MARCH” — I see you are very active in these raw milk blogs (last three). Therefore there is no way you could have missed my very specific questions to you… Again, for the 5th time I am asking the following plus one more bonus question:
BONUS QUESTION:
6. Being as you are unwilling to answer very specific and simple questions that you have obviously read, and based on your new input regarding vaccines, one tends to think that you may be a retired federal employee that is unable to shake ingrained, coerced and manipulated data and ideology from a previous agency thus still spewing propaganda, or you are still getting paid to do so. Are you still on payroll?
3rd time asking the following questions:
1. Can you share which “[N]ative American” Tribes or Tribal members were sold to and harassed by the NJ agency? (NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist)
2. You state Udder Milk is using another name and has gone into hiding yet I see a person named Kathy on here claiming she is with, or founded Udder Milk? What is the name of the business Udder Milk is now selling under? (NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist & Who Was That Masked Man?)
3. You claim, “N.J state officials are going to different neighborhoods advising people that purchased this milk to get medical attention.” Is this a blanket operation? Seems like that would be very costly for agents to be going door to door…
4. You claim that, “New Jersey is not looking to deport or intimidate Indian people…” I do not recall this article [NJ Caught Up in Raw-Milk Dragnet with a Twist] being about “deportation.” Why would you mis-inform and try and divert the narrative? It seems like you are implementing initial stages of mass gaslighting.
To be clear Mr. March, I am not name calling or attacking you in any way. I just find it hard to believe that you are not an agent provocateur trolling raw milk consumer sites and blogs based on your comments I have seen in this thread as well as other social media threads.
5. You make very specific claims that can only be made by a government agency employee or contractor with inside information. Can you verify your source(s) or are you possibly on a government payroll to distract commenters from the original scope and topic of the pro-raw milk articles you comment on?
You must be retired from CDC.
What can we do? We need to coordinate something. We need to all fight this. I feel like I need to do something about this.
Jazmin and Susheel, I think you speak for many in your desire to fight back against New Jersey’s heavy-handed tactics. If there’s anything the state fears, it’s a coordinated response of defiance that gets media attention and lets NJ politicians know how the regulators are abusing residents. That’s why the NJ Dept of Health sent out the cease-and-desist letters close to Christmas, and gave recipients only five days to respond. They were executing their version of a blitzkrieg, knowing that their five-day threat was very likely illegal, a caricature of the “due process” promised by our Constitution.
Can opponents effectively organize to fight the state? It remains to be seen. Liz Reitzig of the Real Food Consumer Coalition suggested approaches for fighting back, in a comment following this post a few days ago. I’d suggest that people who want to help in the resistance to these tactics get in touch with RFCC and let Liz and others know of your interest in fighting back. Write realfoodcc@gmail.com.
one way to fight it …is to not ask for permission at all..as its a RIGHT not a privilege to drink it..
I see a lot of you people are really great in american history was there someone in our american history that had a challenge with something and did it like this? wasn’t the boston tea party somewhat the same ?Someone who did not wait for them to lift a ban and they went ahead with what they were doing anyway since it is a RIGHT for that individual.
Please someone tell me if you know
I agree. Please suggest how and what we can do.
Zak et al. Thank you for your inquiry ,I will now reply .I was not refering to indigenous people when I used the term native American ,I was refering to persons born in America ,you see a person born in a partieular country is considered a native .As an example if a person is born in Ireland they would be considered a native of Ireland ,I Was born in Brooklyn N.Y. therefor I am a native of N.Y.State and an American native since N.Y.is a state in the U.S.country of America .I never said Udder Milk was in hiding ,I was told by a supplier that sold raw milk to Udder that they had changed their name ,I had no reason to doubt him .David wrote his article on Dec.9 ,on Dec. 10 UDDER was operating in spite of being under a cease order.
Officials were visiting some persons that had purchased the milk,advising that they should seek medical advice ,they might have also advised them that they might be in violation if they bought raw milk ,but I really do not know that part . As far as the cost of sending officials into the field I do not know the cost .The cost of medical care and education for illegal immigrants is also quite high, do you also object to that ?. I will reply to the rest of your inquiry at a later date .Thank you
William, I’m not sure since I don’t even know you why you bother to be a parasite on this RAW MILK website. Are you sure your efforts could be more fruitful elsewhere or do you just enjoy annoying others randomly.
FYI if you are born in America, yes you are in some sense a native American but what that term actually means is, people whose past generations also were born here for centuries, like you know… American Indians. I’m an immigrant and came here with my family at 13 but my son was born here, his mom and her family were from Nova Scotia and she was born here but I would not claim he’s indigenous or a “native American.” Not surprised that you were born a New Yorker, coldest and harshest people I ever met hope you can bring some happiness to those around you, and yourself. I think it might have something to do with self-entitlement but how would I know. Merry Christmas to you too and I mean that.
MARCH…..might your real name be JEFF ?
A.K.A.LOOK ” A LIKE SANTA “?
What can we do?! — I have noticed allot of people in this post as well as other posts throughout social media asking “What can we do?” or stating “We need to do something!” Well, it would seem entirely logical to repeat a known successful strategy. One that to-date has forced the only FDA raw milk concession that I know of… People really should get behind Liz Reitzig (RFCC) and her close circle of friends and allies. I know that Liz, David Gumpert, Mark Mcafee (world class raw milk advocates and leaders) and a whole bunch of other activist/supporter milk Moms and men can easily repeat, in far greater magnitude, the world class showing that on that the historical date of November 1, 2011 forced a FDA concession. Liz led an army of peaceful activists with a plethora of raw milk across state lines from PA to MD onto FDA headquarter property in protest of the draconian milk laws and gross misuses of abusive powers! Maybe asking her and her raw milk posse for direction in what we can contribute to an upcoming event will create action instead of question 😉 In case you have forgotten (or would like to see for the first time) what a victory in our raw milk war looks like, I have provided this very informational link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=RT4CRNFaNHk. In 2011 Liz stated, “It has not happened to individual consumers [yet].” Well, it clearly has now!
Zak, the problem is that the science has moved on since 2011. Since then, 3 studies were published [authors being Langer-et-al (2012), Mungai-et-al (2015), and Costard-et-al (2017)] which conclude (wrongly!) that raw milk is 150x more dangerous than pasteurized (Langer), legalization will cause more outbreaks (all 3 papers), and (3) raw dairy is over 800x more dangerous than pasteurized (Costard), respectively.
These studies are influencing government decision-making. Look on government websites even outside the US – these studies are quoted liberally to justify prohibition. For example this one citing Langer’s study: “According to a US Center for Disease Control and Prevention study, the rate of outbreaks caused by unpasteurized milk and products made from it was 150 times greater than outbreaks linked to pasteurized milk.” – https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/healthlinkbc-files/pasteurized-and-raw-milk
So what worked six years ago may not work as well today, as governments continue to implement “evidence-based decision-making” regarding public health issues — with “evidence” being defined as science published in peer-reviewed academic journals.
Of all the legislation last year introduced in the U.S. to either legalize or liberalize raw milk in places where it’s already legal, all efforts failed, due to opposition from the public health community.
Of those 3 studies I mentioned, all are flawed. They use unreliable data. They make erroneous assumptions (e.g. Costard-et-al assumes that people who consume raw milk or cheese never consume pasteurized – untrue). Langer-et-al and Costard-et-al include outbreaks from cheeses – including illegally-imported queso fresco – in their calculations. Mungai-et-al claims that states with legalized raw milk having higher outbreak rates is “proof” that legalization will lead to more outbreaks, without telling the reader that most these states (CA, NY, TX, etc.) also have the largest populations. They don’t look at trends within individual states – did states which legalized raw milk then experience more outbreaks?
To turn the tide, articles must be published in peer-reviewed journals to disprove their conclusions, to show that legalization will not result in increased numbers of outbreaks and that raw milk is not a high-risk food.
Until we “do the science” to show that raw milk can be safe, further legalization efforts may fail, as they did last year. And so far, no-one has published any articles to disprove the conclusions of the 3 papers I mention.
So to answer the question of what we can do: We can fund the science, do the science, and write the papers for publication. There are scientists who would love to study raw milk safety but cannot get grants. The Raw Milk Institute will be fundraising to provide grants to studies that “do the science.” Please consider donating — RAWMI is a 501C3 organization and your donations are tax-deductible.
WISHING ALL A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS ,HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR ☺
@ William March: Hey, for once I agree with something you’ve posted! Ditto to your message.
Ditto
Everyone,
Liz and I had a very good chat last week. We are thinking and strategizing right now about the best way to join forces and constructively protest against the ban on interstate commerce.
Both Liz and I have petitions pending with the FDA with serious litigation pending as well
Fear not…. we are on the verge of a really good message with protest. We just want to assure that it brings progress.
Merry Christmas to All and to All a big cup of delicious raw milk with that Christmas cookie
Mark
Merry Christmas to you and all as well… And to all I raise a glass of traditional eggnog made with raw milk, raw egg and raw honey!
Love that homemade eggnog!! YUM YUM!!
I make my own vanilla extract using vodka and vanilla beans… It makes a good addition to the eggnog as well. Maple syrup as apposed to or in combination with honey also works well.
I make my own vanilla using organic vanilla beans from Frontier Co-op (you can order online) and spiced rum. This is delicious but it takes about 8 months to 1 year for it to be done.
Maple syrup would be great in Eggnog, I’ll have to give that a try. Thanks Ken!
LETS GET FOOD NETWORK INVOLVED IN IT AS MANY SHOWS AS THEY HAVE CALL ALL THE PRODUCERS .
EVERY SHOW !!!.MANY OF THE SHOWS ARE RECORDED OUT OF NEW YORK CITY.
MANY USE FARM FRESH local INGRIDIENTS .
ANDREW ZIMMER OF BIZZARE FOODS….DINERS ,DRIVE-INS AND DIVES…CUT THROAT KITCHEN ETC…
I CAN GO TO ALL THE FARM STANDS IN UNION SQUARE I KNOW MOST OF THEM USING SOME OF THEYRE GREENS..POTATOES..ETC ALONG WITH SOME GRASS FED MILK OR CREAM OR BUTTER.IT WOULD BE THEY’RE RECIPIE OF COURSE PROMOTING THEYRE PRODUCE …with a twist helping the raw dairy revolution.I know mostly all of the vendors in union square.we don’t supply them i just know them all personally and near 79th street as well there are some local farms that sell artisan meats bread etc…
we at udder milk also know of many restaurants in new york city that use raw dairy as some of they’re ingredients.
it should not be one sided …
since raw dairy can go into many items to make something we need to get others involved to make THIS STRONG.theres got to be many that will endorse this cause without fear …I’m almost sure…NOT THE SAME OLE WAY ITS GOTTA BE WITH A TWIST AND HAVE SAMPLES ON TABLES FOR EVERYONE TO TASTE.
kathy from udder milk
…THAT EGG NOG RECIPE SOUNDS GOOD KEN !!!
Please note there are also some coffee shops …the mom and pop ones usually organic .. i know a few in new york city
They could have something at their stores using say the cream into the coffee.
We could map out all the participants on a map …Then the patrons go to visit as many as they can
IT COULD BE CALLED ….
THE RAW ….
MILK…CREAM…BUTTER..RECIPE.. REVOLUTION
THIS IS WHAT AMERICA BEGAN WITH
WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK MORE
WE HAVE TO KEEP IT HERE
OUR MAIN BOOTH COULD BE AT UNION SQUARE MARKET.
THIS COULD HAPPEN IN EVERY STATE IN A MAJOR FAMOUS LOCATION
ON THE SAME DAY
I THINK ALSO IT SHOULD BE DONE IF NOT EVERY MONTH
TWICE A YEAR
how do we get a “raw milk” day into the american calendar
its definailey goota be done with recipes.
the way you get to peoples heart strings is by taste sensation
its can stir up more than you know
If they keep on refusing to stop illegal bans on this gift from god
if they keep on arresting farmers
etc…
THEN WE HAVE TO AMBUSH THEM IN NUMBERS FAR TO BIG FOR ANY FDA HEAD OR BIG AG FARMER TO CRUSH
Wars are won one battle at a time and we ARE winning, slowly but surely!!!
Merry Christmas to All!!!
Gordy,
The wife said I should lay off of you a bit before you show up at our doorstep LOL!! I truly hope you can find some joy and peace in this coming New Year.
POSSIBLY THE PIONEERING WOMAN’S COOKING SHOW AT FOOD NETWORK ALSO
WE COULD ALLWAYS HAVE A RAW DAIRY INFORMATION BOOTH SET UP EVERY WEEK AT SOME FAMOUS FAMRERS MARKET .
just some ideas coming to me .
“Laws are rules of behavior observed and enforced by a society. These rules are mandated by whatever authorities are recognized by that culture. In republics such as ours, the laws are created by a process that involves debate, public input, and the combined authority of elected representatives, an elected president, and a judiciary as a source of appeal. When such laws are widely considered reasonable, the vast majority of the population obeys them. When laws are regarded by most as unreasonable, widespread lawlessness is the result. The Prohibition of Alcoholic Beverages during the 1920s fell into that category, a law that produced more harm than good, until its repeal.” Laina Farhat-Holzman
Dr Joe,
It would appear that Moooshine would fit quite nicely into the category of laws that most consider rediculous and politically inspired. Raw milk flows freely over state lines all over the place and the FDA does little. In fact there is solid evidence that the FDA plays favorites when enforcing CFR 1240.61.
ORA A person born in a specific place or associated with place by birth is considered a native .You are native to the country where you were born .Thats from the dictionary .My ancestors go back in this country to 1728 ,they have fought in every war since the revolution ,to protect this country ,and in some times helped save other countries with their blood ,so I do not have to apologize to anybody for calling myself a native American. I dont believe in political correct B.S. People born in the USA are called Americans ,persons from Canada are called Canadians ,people from Mexico are called Mexicans they are not called Americans .Is Fidal Castro an American ?.As far as being from New York I am very proud to be a New Yorker they are the hardest workers and most generous people on earth ,we are very stong when disasters arise ,an example is 911 when we arose from the rubble .NY CITY is the prime target of terrorist because of what we stand for .No more insults about New Yorkers .I trust I have made my explanation simple enought for you to understand ,but if you need more advice let me know ,and remember if you are born in a certain place you are a native .Try to be more civil in your comments
@ Wm. March: NYC is a prime target because of its size. The entire USA stands for the same things that NY’ers stand for. I live in the middle of the country and we’re just as patriotic as people who live in NY for Pete’s sake.
The State I live in has about 5 national grassland areas and about a dozen or more Indian reservations (a bad idea from the get-go, but that’s another subject for another day). Yes, we still call them Indians, not Native Americans. Where Ora is getting confused is the use of capital letters. PC people who now refer to Indians as Native Americans spell it with both words having a capital letter. When it’s used as you’ve been using it, with native being a small n and American being a capital A, you are speaking of people born in America. At least that’s the way I see it.
Does that make sense, Ora?
It does make sense D. Thanks for clarifying that subtle difference as I do get easily confused. Happy New Year to you. BTW this New Year’s day will mark my 35th Anniversary, the day I met my wife so celebrate with me.
D. Smith Thank you
Mr March, I am not going to quibble with you on this definition, but you can take it up with wikipedia or Webster:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Native%20American
Have a happy new year and try to be more open minded.
ORA Happy Anniversary and good health in the new year to your wife and you BILL M.
There are, literally, 100’s of thousands of people across this great country of ours who prefer to consume unprocessed dairy products.
It is our right to be able to obtain products from farms that are unprocessed.
The FDA’s own data on yearly food borne illnesses in our country, and the quantity of these illnesses that could be attributed to non-pausterized and non-homogenized dairy product consumption, easily argues against any baseless statement about “concerns” for food safety” as the rationale for this latest “made up” attack against our basic right.
Every American can see these numbers fir themselves and the last FDA reports show that out of approximately 42 million cases if food borne illnesses, only about fifty (50) were caused by non-pausterized and non-homogenized dairy product consumption.
Even on a per capita comparison, between consumers of standard, processed dairy products vs the rest of us, the much smaller percentage of our population that opts to consume non-processed dairy products, this is (almost) 1 million fold differential makes any argument about “concerns for food safety” a laughable and insulting assault.
It would be interesting to look into the financial supporters, family interests, and connections of all these politicians who are now attempting this absurd new attack.
What is their data???
Where is it???
Ridiculous !