A new in-depth study of raw milk illnesses in the U.S. by a university researcher concludes that “the outbreak rate has effectively decreased by 74% since 2005.”
The 38-page study, which includes 138 footnotes and was published in the refereed PLOS Current Outbreaks, also concludes that the risk of illnesses has actually declined in the face of increased consumption: “The potential for foodborne illness continues to be a small but real risk from consuming unpasteurized fluid milk, but analysis of data over a twelve year period demonstrates that increased access to this product within the United States has not led to increased outbreak rates. On the contrary, total reported unpasteurized milk-associated outbreaks have declined since 2011, despite increased production, and outbreak rates proportional to estimated consumption rates have declined by 74% over the twelve year period.”
The study’s authors—Joanne Whitehead, a researcher at the University of Victoria in Canada; and Bryony Lake, a professional researcher and policy analyst in Canada— suggest broader implications beyond providing insights into the long-running debate over raw milk safety by arguing that “given the potential for significant public health benefits which could be gained from a reduction in immunological disorders, a re-evaluation of the risk/benefit profile of unpasteurized milk is in order.”
This new study is significantly at odds with two studies from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, which conclude that risk from raw milk is much more serious than from pasteurized milk, and that the risk is rising.
The new study allows that data used to analyze dairy safety, no matter who is doing the assessment, is incomplete and even confusing because of varying reporting by states and because of the highly variable legal situation with regard to raw milk among the states. The authors clearly explain in the study their challenges in obtaining and evaluating data from individual states about such matters as the number of new raw dairy permits issued and the number of illnesses recorded. Among their specific research findings:
- Beginning in 2005, the trend for several years was of rising illness rates, followed by a declining rate, as shown in the graphic at the top of this post. “Excluding data for 2009 (indications of a data integrity problem), annual reported outbreaks related to unpasteurized fluid milk started at a low of 10 in both 2005 and 2006 and rose to peak at 18 in both 2010 and 2011. After this peak, outbreaks then saw a general decrease: 14 in 2012, 16 in 2013 and 2014, 11 in 2015, and 13 in 2016. This results in an annual average of 14 outbreaks for the most recent 5 year span, from 2012 to 2016 inclusive.”
- Fears that broadening legalization of raw milk would lead to higher illness rates appear unfounded. “To further examine the hypothesis that legalization leads to higher outbreak rates, one can examine whether a change in legal status within a specific jurisdiction affects the outbreak rate within that jurisdiction……There was no change in absolute number of outbreaks (6 outbreaks in each 4 year period) and a slight reduction in relative outbreak rates due to population growth during this time.”
- Safety education makes a difference in reducing raw milk illnesses. “Regarding education, a challenge for dairies has been a lack of on-farm food safety programs. This changed in 2010 when the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund made training materials available and the Raw Milk Institute began developing a HACCP-based on-farm food safety program. The decline in frequency of outbreaks coincides with the introduction of these targeted education programs. The tentative conclusion can be drawn that, similar to what was seen in the meat processing industry, the implementation of on-farm food safety systems for unpasteurized milk production may be related to the observed reduction in outbreak rates. Data from Pennsylvania supports this connection….outbreaks occurred each year from 2006 to 2014, then no outbreaks were reported for 2015 or 2016, then one outbreak occurred in 2017. An interesting correlation is that in November 2014, Pennsylvania State University’s College of Agricultural Sciences hosted a workshop on unpasteurized milk safety in collaboration with the Raw Milk Institute. In addition, in 2014 the proprietor of the largest Pennsylvania unpasteurized milk farm was trained and listed with the Raw Milk Institute. This farm had been responsible for outbreaks in 2012 and 2013 (CDCIDs 15533 and 15482) including one associated with 148 out of 258 (57%) unpasteurized milk related illnesses reported nationwide in 2012. No outbreaks have been associated with this farm’s products since training and listing. While it is impossible to show causation, this correlation of fewer outbreaks with the implementation of a HACCP-based on-farm food safety training program has implications for further studies of the role which education and extension programs may play in the safe production and handling of unpasteurized milk.”
- Raw milk production continues to increase. “It is apparent from licensing statistics and consumer websites that unpasteurized milk is currently being produced on a larger scale than in past decades…. Compiling license and permit numbers for (just) nine states shows an increase over twelve years from 76 to 347 licensed unpasteurized milk dairies (+357%). Assuming that license and permit numbers are a reasonable proxy for consumption, and factoring in U.S. population growth (9.3% over the twelve year period), the ratio between outbreak rate and consumption rate shows a pronounced decline, with the 2016 outbreak-to-consumption ratio only 26% that of 2005.”
- The U.S. might want to consider having the federal government regulate raw milk, to gain more consistency around the country. “The federal ban on interstate trade in unpasteurized fluid milk has not eliminated either multi-state outbreaks or the emergence of unregulated interstate buying clubs. As 43 states representing 92.6% of the U.S. population currently (March 2018) permit legal access to unpasteurized milk, and legalization does not correlate with increased outbreak rates, expanded legalization along with the development of a federal regulatory framework could be considered, similar to national systems already in effect in other nations such as England, France, Germany, and New Zealand.”
This is an impressive study—impressive in significant measure because it takes on this complicated subject, with all its inconsistencies and nuances, and covers it much more adroitly than any of the CDC assessments. The only area not covered, raw milk opponents might argue, is a breakout of the kinds of illnesses that are occurring from tainted raw milk. The CDC and others have argued that there a growing percentage of the raw milk illnesses that are occurring are from E.coliO157:H7, which can lead to complications in children.
That may be a topic for a follow-on study, because failure to agree on the overall scope of the problem at hand invariably leads to confused, and confusing, arguments. Hopefully this study will lead to some meeting of the minds on where we’ve been and where we are heading in terms of raw milk risk. The signs, from a public health perspective, look much more positive than we’ve been lead to believe.
Thank you David. This study was a first and challenged the CDC and its comingling of milk intended for further processing verses milk intended for direct raw consumption.
My favorite chart shows the RAWMI effect. It shows the dramatic drop off in outbreaks and illness after producers recieved training and standards were published at RAWMI. Even though just 17 dairies are Listed by RAWMI, the expectations and standards have been set high. All other raw milk dairies see and feel the change and evolve to the better!
We have just begun to change the world. One very child at a time. One clean dairy at a time !
Mark
Mark, repeat after me: i before e except after c
Leisure, weird, protein, sufficient, science
Thanks, “Ora,” you add so much to a discussion. Truly.
60 years later, I can still hear Mrs Carlson in Grade 3 saying “or when sounded like “A” as in neighbour and weigh”
In my recent peer review publication, I suggested that training and education of fresh raw milk dairy farmers could improve safety. Securing fresh food from fertile soil, challenges to the organic and raw milk movements
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/renewable-agriculture-and-food-systems/article/securing-fresh-food-from-fertile-soil-challenges-to-the-organic-and-raw-milk-movements/18325E375E068A538E07EF4E6F6ABA22
As indicated by this new peer reviewed publication, apparently so.
As long as the government is not in charge of the training and education, absolutely!
Joe,
Brillliant science is nothing but recognizing the obvious.
Clean udders, healthy cows with good post milking management…produces clean very low risk raw milk.
Is that obvious? Is that a secret?
It is about as clear as clear can get and about as obvious as obvious can get. Now we have a strong piece of science that shows this clearly.
I am very pleased to see the results of RAWMI and early WAP food safety training efforts finnaly becoming fruitful.
Mark,
In many respects you are carrying forward into a new era the original good management practices recommended over a century by Dr. Henry Coit, MD when he established the Medical Milk Commission way of producing Certified Milk. Keep up the good work!
David, we should be careful about how the findings of this article are described, because the anti-raw milk people will find anything they can to dismiss this.
David, we should be careful. That 74% decrease is *only* found when one controls for both population growth and estimated consumption trend, using licensing numbers to provide a *general estimate* of consumption trends (= increase or decrease). There is no way to be accurate about this — it is only an estimate. We can’t get too excited about this 74% – its a “ballpark estimate”.
In contrast, the part we CAN get excited about are the hard, concrete numbers that don’t rely on estimates – especially the trend from 2010 to 2016:
– Legalization: Increased 16.7% from 36 states in 2010 to 42 in 2016 (Figure 3).
– Outbreak rates: Decreased 30% from 0.058/M in 2010 to to 0.040/M by 2016 (paragraph above Figure 1).
This is what we need to publicize that since 2010 there has not been a direct correlation between outbreaks and legalization. Thus, there is no reason NOT to legalize raw milk. And Figure 6 pretty much shows evidence indicating the reason why.
That article is a goldmine of other information, but these are the points that stick out for me – the numbers since 2010.
Vera, good point about the role of consumption data. There is no precise consumption info to be had. One of the impressive things about this study is the researchers’ realistic, and sincere, approach to consumption, in contrast to the CDC’s cynical approach. A very low estimate on consumption was the foundation of the agency’s shocking, and pathetic, assessment a few years back that raw milk is 150 times more dangerous than pasteurized milk: “If you consider the number of outbreaks associated with raw milk in light of the very small amount of milk that is consumed raw, the risk of outbreaks linked to raw milk is at least 150 times greater than the risk of outbreaks linked to pasteurized milk.”
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/rawmilk-outbreaks.html
(Copy-and-paste typo there – sorry about the repetition.)
When I was looking at the CDC statistics about 10 years ago, one of the problems that I found was with the way that “raw milk outbreak” was defined. Several incidents of food-borne illness resulting from the ingestion of bathtub cheese were attributed to the milk and not the processing. In many instances, the statement was made, “Although there was no evidence of contamination, it was assumed that the illness could be attributed to raw milk because of the exposure.”
So the CDC assumed that the illness was from raw milk, despite any evidence. I can recall at least 3 instances of raw milk hysteria. One was under-cooked chicken, one was eggs that had been broken out and left to sit overnight, and one was hamburgers. I would not be surprised to find that these were still classified as raw milk outbreaks. I know that the hamburger one is. Many members of the general public still believe it.
Same here Pegi I downloaded the CDC illness database and used Access to search for all kinds of hits with various search terms. I published my results at the time and it showed that the reported incidences of sickness due to raw milk were insignificant. If you want any of my data or spreadsheets I can be reached at johno@mainegrassfed.us
This issue is completely controlled by an international tribe that is destined to take down and control humankind.
There is a lot of data which is not published on the Dashboard for public download, including full IFSAC categories for foods. This is new for 2017, that these have been published.
The way to obtain the full dataset is to email NORSDashboard@cdc.gov and ask for a copy of their “Data Request Application” form. Then, fill it out and email it in.
Meanwhile, John and Pegi, download the dairy dataset from the Supplementary Material section of this article, to get dairy outbreak data for 2005 to 2016. The next set of data, for 2017, will likely be released within the next few weeks, is my guess.
It aLLlways was DOWN and possibly more than 74%.
start calling up every department of ag and markets and ask for the dairy division.throughout the whole u.s of A. AND ask them if there have been any outbreaks of any illnesses PERTAINING TO RAW MILK AND THE NAMES OF THE FARMS…. each state has many counties …it can take a while .its virtually nil. YOU CANT FIND ANY .and thats when its registered with government agencies.!!!! where are all the outbreaks …where are they ????????
THERE HAVE BEEN MORE OUTBREAKS OF LETTUCE…PEANUT PRODUCTS,CRACKERS…ETC… THAN ANY RAW MILK EVER HAD INCLUDIING CONFINED COWS …NON ORGANIC RAW MILK FARMERS.
and I purposely was drinking milk that allegedly had L.monocytogenes in it…. Vera on this blog has said that is the worst kind of bacteria to get sick from compared to other listerias
I never got sick nor did my granddaughter..!!!!!!!
someone said Marc mccafree did a study that even though “bad” bacteria was in the milk..there was sooooo much good bacteria from this raw grass fed organic milk that it canceled out thew bad bacteria.Maybe thats what happened to me and my granddaughter (baby at the time) and I’m older with a compromised immune system.
Listeria is not associated with raw milk. It is associated with post pasteurized milk contamination.
Look at the CDC data and review the last deaths listed from milk. They are all listeria and pasteurized dairy products. Ice cream, cheeses, and milks. All pasteurized and all listeria.
The two deaths from raw milk cheeses were imported bathtub suit case cheeses from Mexico. Totally illegal.
Another CDC Data screw up. That’s not American raw milk!!
Marc thats crazy …thats insane… listeria mostly found in post pasteurization…I never knew this….and they still come after the raw milk producers…
ok but how do you explain a government agency coming into a farm and telling the farmer that he has L.Monocyotogenes(I know these farmers near Canadian border my brother use to know near Canton,new York ) They shut him down.Vera says that L.Monocytogens is the bad form of Listeria.
him and his brother and sister are raw milk producers with a license..Their milk is not pasteurized.Why did they say that they had L.Monocytogenes??
And I never got sick from it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! …drank the milk and ate the yogurt for 3 weeks.Can you explain this Marc.Im really puzzled.I do believe that it is very rare to get “sick” from raw milk
Kathy, you explain them coming onto your farm by knowing that they are not representatives of you, a U.S. citizen, but as “employees” of a new international order. this is explained by the fact that all U.S. agencies including the EPA, the FDA, the USDA, etc. are now “harmonized” with the UN communist organizations. Just google harmonization in any federal website. The U.S. does NOT control it’s own destiny at this point. Want to raise and milk your own cow? You may be in non compliance. Wake up.
marc upstate New York also a raw cheese producer last year had “listeria” in his cheese.It was not pasteurized it was raw …im really confused now His cheeses are not Post pasteurization
and also a farmer in Pennsylvania…a few years back he was selling his milk to California…some woman died..they blamed it on ‘alleged ” Listeria.He is a raw milk producer not pasteurized…Im confused Marc…Please explain
I did not say that listeria is never found in raw dairy products. What I did say was that it is rarely associated with death or illness on the raw side.
An analysis of listeria deaths and illnesses at the CDC revealed that there were very few illnesses linked to raw dairy products and few if any deaths. In stark contrast, there were many deaths and thousands of illnesses linked between listeria and post pasteurized contamination.
The reported deaths from listeria and raw cheese is a rare piece of data.
Before jumping to conclusions we need to know more about the cheese making process.
Was it truly raw or thermalized and called raw.
I remember when I investigated that outbreak, the milk came from a dairy unrelated ( not owned ) by the cheese maker.
The vat temp was unknown. That’s a huge warning flag. We know that many raw cheeses are actually heated to just under pasteurized temps and Called raw. This is legal but it sure cheats nature and the consumer looking for raw cheese. It also brings on the threat from listeria.
Responding to Bioterror Concerns by Increasing Milk Pasteurization Temperature Would Increase Estimated Annual Deaths from Listeriosis
(Stasiewicz et al., 2014 Journal of Food Protection)
“Conservative estimates of the effect of pasteurizing all fluid milk at 82 C rather than 72 C are that annual listeriosis deaths from consumption of this milk would increase from 18 to 670, a 38-fold increase”
(page 703) “These changes to the potential for outgrowth have been calculated to increase the risk of death from listeriosis due to consumption of pasteurized fluid milk by approximately 40-fold. Such an increase would have an appreciable public health impact if all milk in the United States were processed according to the increased pasteurization temperature based on the fact that milk is estimated to be responsible for approximately 18 listeriosis deaths per year in the United States.”
THANX MARC
From the Whitehead and Lake (2018) paper:
“Supplementary Information
“All supplementary material is available at http://figshare.com/s/866c3d82f50105ff5dab ”
Download “Supplementary Table 1” from Figshare. It contains the complete dairy-related outbreak data-set for this paper. If you’d like to see what dairy foods are associated with L. monocytogenes and what are not, this is where to look.
THANX VERA
Yes, the same CDC that grossly over-hypes (lies) about the number of flu deaths annually to get us all to line up for the toxic flu shots. No surprise.
New Jersey Dept Ag is having a dairy summit Thursday Oct 11th at 9-4pm.
Burlington Co. Agricultural Center, 500 Centerton Rd, Moorestown, NJ
Pre-registration required. Call 609-292-6382
Yes, the same CDC that Robert F Kennedy Jr., describes as “a cesspool of corruption”
It is mind boggling to think that institutions that are entrusted with the public’s health can go about persistently deceiving so many people in so many ways. That’s what we get when we surrender our freedom to choose for the sake of someone’s biased and putative modus operandi with regards to so-called food safety and disease prevention.
CAN WE DO ANOTHER STUDY THIS ONE INVOLVING THE CDC AND THE FDA
CAN WE TIE THEM ALL UP AT THE CDC AND FDA AND WATERBOARD THEM WITH RAW MILK
Dr Joe,
Thank you for reminding us about the study on listeria and 40 food increase in deaths if heat temps are increased just 10 degrees F.
What really got me on this study was the bold announcement that “ currently 18 consumers die every year “ from listeria in pasteurized. dairy products.
Thus study was funded and backed by the pasteurized dairy industry.
What a huge admission.
Where are the deaths ? Is there a huge cover up? At present the Cdc shows only a few deaths each year from listeria related to pasteurized dairy products.
What’s going on here???
A peer reviewed PhD study is supposed use current data. Why would the researchers assume data or make it up? They claimed that 18 people die each year and those numbers would grow to more than 650 with increased temps ??
This is a very big question.
Robert F.Kennedy jr.does not have much faith or recommendations in advice given out by many goverment agencies especially the DRUG ENFORCMENT AGENCY (DEA).I think BOZO the clown would be a better person to get advivce from his brain is not fried .
“PLF (Pacific Legal Foundation) asks Supreme Court to give homeowners meaningful protection from excessive fines”
https://pacificlegal.org/plf-asks-supreme-court-to-give-homeowners-meaningful-protection-from-excessive-fines/
“As we explain in our friend-of-the-court-brief, the Supreme Court should take the opportunity presented by Timbs v. Indiana to show that a fine is not excessive merely because it exceeds the limits set by a state legislature or local commission; it is also excessive when it exceeds the limits of civilized society.”
Ditto for farmers and when “the fine” exceeds the limits of common sense…
I attended the recent National Farmers Union Fly In in WADC this last week. At the opening USDA Ag Sec Perdue gave a welcoming speech. Then Ibach ( under sec of Ag ) gave a speech.
At the end of the speeches, Ibach took three questions. I immediately took the micro phone and asked what the USDA was doing to equally enforce the 120 day 30 % DMI organic dairy pasture rule.
His response shocked the 300 NFU members in the audience.
He said….with the growth of the organic demand for organic dairy products, “industrial scale” dairy systems are needed. He also said that he had visited a big organic dairy in Colorado and that it is mostly “just a big miss understanding”.
I got a big applause for my question.
This administration is anti NOP organic enforcement and far worse. They are pro big CAFO buddies and deeply corrupt!!!!
Not a happy organic farmer. This truly sucks. Total consumer fraud. Total abandonment of the organic rules. No rules…no Organics… no value added.
This is a betrayal of so much hard work!
I will keep my additional comments to myself. It is not PG13.
Mark
What you observed, Mark, is consistent with everything else coming out of this administration regarding food. The approach with food seems to be much the same as other industries: give support (via ‘deregulation’ and tax breaks) to old-line polluting companies. Remember, big meat and dairy producers are polluters with their CAFOs. In fact, I can’t find a single piece of support for small farms, organic production, or even improving nutrition. Not that Obama or Bush were big supporters of good food, but at least Michelle Obama made some efforts to support nutrition for children; now, even that is under attack, in the effort to undo everything Obama. https://thehill.com/regulation/healthcare/331400-trump-unwinding-first-ladys-school-lunch-program-rules
Am I missing something? Is there some initiative, or just some words of support, for good food?
David,
Support for “good food” needs to come from the bottom up, only then will government policies and industry practices respond appropriately. Indeed, and for this to happen a consumers right to consume the foods of his or her own choosing must be respected and protected. Currently however, freedom of choice is being abused, manipulated and controlled for the sake of greed and so-called food safety and security…
Unfortunately, the North American consumer’s wasteful craving for cheap sterilized food has precipitated longstanding cheap food policies and economy of scale and adulterated food production practices that has led to poor quality/junk food.
There’s this saying that my neighbour, an immigrant farmer from Germany, keeps repeating, “People need to go without food (experience starvation) for an extended period of time in order for them to acquire a genuine appreciation for the true value of food and the work that goes into producing it”.
Ken, there definitely needs to be widespread demand for good food. At the same time, it’s important to acknowledge the important role of government in influencing people’s attitudes and choices. The USDA has been involved in overseeing organic standards for something approaching 20 years, and during that time, organic sales have grown well over 10% annually and are now approaching $50 billion/year in the U.S. It’s still less than 5% of overall sales, but big-time stuff nonetheless, and government’s encouragement has been important. Yes, the standards have been corrupted, but still have value. Now, looks as if the current administration trying to tear down the whole thing, and put U.S. back on track to simply consume factory food. I suspect the cat is too far out of the bag for that to happen, just as the effort to tear down solar and wind energy in favor of coal won’t fly long term, but it is noteworthy for its total cynicism and disregard for public health.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-11/trump-s-usda-is-killing-rules-that-organic-food-makers-want
David,
In the late 1950’s and early 60’s in the area where I live there were four abattoirs within a 10-mile radius, and three milk processing facilities (dairies) within a 20-mile radius. Today there are none… it is now almost 100 miles to the nearest abattoir and over 200 miles to the nearest milk processing facility. To parallel this trend there are barely a handful of beef farms within that same ten mile radius and barely a handful of milk producers within that same 20 mile radius, where there was once hundreds in both cases. All this is largely due to increased government interference via so-called food health and safety regulations and policies that promote economy of scale practices.
I can go on and on describing the extent to which government policies have undermined local food sales and the local rural economy in favor of a centralized mechanism where foods such as dairy and beef end up having to travel hundreds and even thousands of miles before it reaches the consumer. I am sick and tired of government’s interference and influence over people’s attitudes and choices in regards to food… including health care. The governments role aught to support consumer choice, not dictate it.
As Joel Salatin correctly states, “We would be a much healthier culture if the government had never told us how to eat.”
As far as organic food is concerned I buy it whenever and wherever possible. I do so however with a degree of wariness. It’s a catch-22 dilemma if you will that I find myself compelled to deal with in my search for natural healthy food.
The government’s involvement in establishing organic food standards is hypocritical. How can they oversee and approve two sets of food production standards that are diametrically apposed to each other? In essence, the government has co-opted the organic food movement; they have hoodwinked the public into believing in many cases that their bastardized version of organic is indeed natural and healthy.
Mark,
Thank you for being there to ask that very important question. This USDA position towards organic needs exposure.
Higher Dairy Consumption Tied to Lower CVD, Mortality
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/901994?nlid=125029_4502&src=wnl_dne_180917_mscpedit&uac=116708EN&impID=1741069&faf=1
why can’t we start to advertise on big billboards about raw milk…and its benefits and all these statistics …George Washington bridge bill board for starters
NO ONES EVER DONE IT
AND I THINK IT LEGALLY CAN BE DONE ESPECIALLY ON THE New York SIDE OF THE BRIDGE..
No reason we can’t. I like your idea. How much do billboards cost, Kathy?
hi vera…well i think the ones that flash and are on a few seconds are something like 3000.00 the ones that stay a while i think can go up to 20 or 30 thousand but stay for a week or 2 .but im not exactly sure .i did some research today and there are alot of billboard places out of good ole new york city…glad im from here theres allways a wealth of information about anything here.anyway im not sure got ask a mentor friend…he thinks it too radical…i dont so i wanna see what he has to say sunday..hes from africa …hes a smart man….its gonna be simple it will just say raw grass fed milk in big block bold letters and underneath i want a few line staitistical comparisons on listeria…deaths…illnesses raw milk vs. pasturised milk . at the very bottom there will be a few more words’SUPPORT YOUR RAW MILK FARMERS
EVERY FEW MONTHS FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS I WANT TO
PUTUP MORE BILLBOARDS POSSIBL;Y WITH REAL LIFE NAMES..THAT ARE WILLING WITH THEYRE STORIES ON HOW RAW MILK HELPED THERE ILLNESS
IT WILL BE A SERIES TITTLED
RAW GRASS FED ORGANIC MILK
REAL STORIES…REAL PEOPLE
JANE DOE : RAW GRASS FED MILK HELPED WITH MY LACTOSE INTOLERANCE
JIM DOE: RAW GRASS FED MILK GOT RID OF MY EXEMA
(BUT THE ABOVE WILL BE REAL NAMES)
WE HAVE ALOT A PRETTY FAMOUS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE MEMBERS I WILL TRY AND CONTACT THEM
ETC…
BUT UNDER EACH AND EVERY BILLBOARD IT WILL ALLWAYS SAY
‘SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL GRASS FED ORGANIC FARMER
I HAVE TO RAISE THIS MONEY AS I DO NOT HAVE IT
I WANNA DO THIS WITH MUCH PASSION
SO MAYBE GOD WILL HELP ME
IM NOT GOOD AT FINDING THE STATISTICAL DATA OUT MARC MCCAFREE IS AND JOE HECKMAN AND DAVID ARE SO MAYBE.
WE MAKE IT SIMPLE …REAL …SO MOST LAY FOLKS CAN IUNDERSTAND IT.YOU CANT PUT THAT MANY WORDS UP OR IT WILL COST A FORTUNE SO IT HAS TO BE SHORT AND SWEET AND RIGHT TO THEIR BEAT as they are driving and you want them to read everything
my job if i decide to take this will be to raise the funds
this mission wont be immpossible
Kathy
I totally love the idea!! Huge bill boards are not cheap but they really get the information out to drivers that read the information.
Stop killing milk…. Drink it raw!!!
Raw milk cures asthma….support your local cow. ( that one will give the FDA chest pain but who cares )
Crohns/IBS …. Raw milk Kefir or a colostomy bag Your choice. Raw milk cures Crohns!
Raw milk….the first food of life. Builds immunity like NO Other food on earth
Data.
How about 84 deaths and 200,000 illnesses from guaranteed safe pasteurized milk since 1970…..thanks FDA!! Drink raw milk and build your immunity.
Would it be legal to put an image of a third finger on the billboard next to the letters “FDA”. Then…. Drink raw milk and build your immunity!
That would go viral guaranteed.
marc you have good “catchy” words
I like the one stop killing milk…..Drink it raw
marc if you raise the phrases
I will raise the funds…
I want to make it a year long series
or as long as the funds keep coming
found a New York city advertiser
yes its not cheap
but I was off on the prices its nots 20 grand a month its cheaper but its still high.i really wanna do this
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raw milk enterprise
https://www.anglocelt.ie/news/farming/articles/2018/09/21/4162338-belly-ache-leads-to-farmer-creating-raw-milk-enterprise/
Ok. Big question for all the politically astute raw milk observers.
I am been looking at the meditaranean diet and associated French, Greek and Italian island diets and and socalled BlueZones. In these areas the inhabitants live to over 100 years old routinely with little disease.
Why is it that the articles about these Blue Zones don’t talk about raw cheeses or raw milk….but raw cheeses and raw milk are consumed there?? Is this ignorance, bias, or some other interviewing issue??
There are big studies that talk about the French and their raw cheeses but yet the meditaranean diet fails to mention raw cheese. Articles that describe meditaranean diets suggest low fat dairy or little dairy. What???
I think that the west has kidnapped the meditaranean diet and then bastardized it to fit its needs and political whims.
Full fat truly Raw cheese was and is central to the meditaranean diet but it is not mentioned. Butter is dismissed and olive oil takes its place. Yet butter was and is central to the diet right along side olive oils.
Why all the bias against raw dairy when it comes to truth telling in diets?
Enough to really make you wonder about science and bias.
I have the best memory of a trip to Greece: Full-fat raw sheep’s milk yogurt. It was served for dessert with raw honey to pour on top, for dessert.
Yes dairy products are huge in Mediterranean areas. In some places, goat and sheep cheeses are a major source of protein.
And yes, I think you’re on to something: I think that Western dietitions who promote these diets are taught in school that raw dairy is dangerous, and hence they exclude it from their recommendations.
this is a good target Marc for my signs at the gw bridge. and there are MANY Italian,greek and French here
RAW GRASS FED MILK
(in this area a few fun facts like you just mentioned above)
support your local raw dairy farmer
Vera,
Damn right!! That’s what I see.
In the world of Weston A Price, raw milk was one of the sacred foods. Yet….there is little to no mention of it in modern renditions of the meditaranean diet and other Blue Zone type diets.
They totally missed the message. Raw dairy is the best gut food on earth. Corrupt or worse.
Brilliant science is the science that sees the obvious.
NZ Raw Milk
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/106366848/raw-milk-two-sides-square-off-as-regulations-are-reviewed
I am continually blown away by lack of American dairy leadership. There is zero leadership as their FDA PMO CAFO Titanic sinks. It has been 4 years since prices were above break even. Dairy economists predict at least three more years before dairy milk prices are predicted to rise above cost of production. That’s 7 years below cost of production. Sitting still as the fire consumes you….that’s literally insane. They would rather die than cooperate with one another.
The Progressive Dairyman magazine featured an article on the Albany NY Dairy Summit. There was quite a bit of buz about farmer controlled Supply and Price management. In fact the CDC SMISA Canadian system plan was described. Yet….not one bit of action at the coops to get going on action for change.
I am convinced that the American dairyman is either brain dead scared into inaction or in a hypnotic trance. When a solution is at hand, yet no one will speak of it. That’s really tragic. I am beginning to believe that they deserve what they get. Their Titanic does not even have life boats.
yep, they’re paralyzed into in-action, unable to question – let alone UN-learn – the basic factors in their predicament. My unsolicited advice, Mr McAffee = Quit wasting your breath, time and talent on UN-teachables … Having thrown-in their lot with the usury-based system, now reaping what they sowed. = Let the dead bury the dead.
does not mean I don’t pity them,I do. But pointing US dairyment to the Cdn racket is no solution… would only prolong the agony.
your expertise is much better rewarded doing what you do well : leading by example … putting REAL MILK in to the hands + mouths of those who appreciate it.
How much above break-even would be satisfactory Mark?
And, what effect would an increase in the price of milk above the “break-even point” have on this decrease in demand/consumption trend for dairy products?
I too empathize with the predicament dairy farmers are in. That being said, Gordon is correct in suggesting that Canadian supply management with its price setting powers and over inflated quota values is not a solution to the current “usury based system” that demonstrates contempt for diversity, focuses on cheap food and treats farmers as subordinates, be it capitalism and even more so socialism.
Small family run dairy farms in Canada are being displaced by cafo ‘s thanks to a supply management system that has adopted policies that favor the larger factory type dairy operations…
A question the North American consumer ought to entertain… is it in their best interest and should they consider dishing out more disposable income on average for food comparable to Germany at 12% or perhaps Mexico at 25%. Currently the US consumer pays 6.7% and the Canadian consumer pays 9.5%?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/189227/percent-of-disposable-income-spent-on-food-at-home-2009/
Been drinking raw goat and cow milk for nearly 40 years and had only one GI illness in all those years, when I had no access to milk. Had my own dairy goats for many of those years and read up on how to safely produce, chilled my milk to 40 degrees in 30 minutes after milking. I only drink others milk after watching their animals and their milking management. I’ve eaten little commercially raised food of any type in decades and thankful for the excellent small farmers who supply my needs. Good food is basic to a good life.
Dairy Summit in New Jersey
: October 11 Statewide Special Dairy Summit
9 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the Burlington County Agricultural Center on Centerton Road in Moorestown.
If you are interested in attending, register by Friday, October 5. To register, contact Claudine Klotz by phone (609-292-5647) or email (claudine.klotz@ag.nj.gov).
The Center is located at 500 Centerton Road, Moorestown, NJ 08057.
Thanks, David, for blogging about the Whitehead and Lake paper, and thanks to all who commented. I offer a few additional points from the perspective of a microbial risk assessor trained in predictive microbiology and microbial ecology.
Joe and Mark already brought your attention to the Stasiewski 2014 study demonstrating increasing rates of Listeria growth as pasteurization temperature increases. Ecologically speaking,the natural microbes present in raw milk, but depleted by pasteurization, can no longer outcompete the pathogen.
Regarding the discussion about Listeria, the numbers ingested matter for predicting illness. Risk assessors model relationships between dose and response, with increasing doses more likely to cause illness and more severe illness. The presence of pathogens in foods, particularly Listeria, is insufficient to predict illness.
Consider that a series of FDA Risk Assessment Division studies on risk of listeriosis found that US consumers are regularly exposed to ‘low to moderate’ numbers of Listeria monocytogenes (4,000 to >10,000 bacteria) and do not develop illness. For some pathogens, FDA and other agencies use evidence-based processes to establish safe exposure levels for healthy people, even for biothreat agents that can instill fear of any exposure.
For NY state, I see no evidence suggesting the zero tolerance policy is warranted for Listeria and other pathogens. The CDC data for raw milk outbreaks from 1998 to 2015 revealed no deaths and no listeriosis outbreaks over this 18-year period. Raw milk accounted for 1% of outbreaks in the state over this period and less than 0.1% of illnesses and hospitalizations. One licensed farm was associated with 2 of these 10 outbreaks (all caused by Campylobacter, none by Listeria, Salmonella, pathogenic E. coli, or Staphylococcus).
A different strategy for reducing risk or increasing benefit calls for a shift away from germophobia, motivated by advances in microbial ecology and immunology. Professor Colin Hill of University College Cork recently explored benefits to establishing a Recommended Daily Dose (RDA) for microbes just like RDAs for vitamins and nutrients. He observes health benefits for a diet including large numbers of ‘safe’ bacteria (paper at //www.biochemist.org/bio/04004/0022/040040022.pdf; article by the International Scientific Association of Probiotics and Prebiotics
at https://isappscience.org/rda-for-microbes/).
Is Professor Hill correct in seeing benefit in diets enriched with trillions of microbes at every meal? Modern diets depleted of natural food microbes by processing may well contribute to increasing risk of inflammatory and infectious diseases. For more information about how the milk microbiota can contribute to health and protect against disease, check out my new blog,
Microbes and Microbiota: Benefits and Risks at https://www.colemanscientific.org/news/.
Peg, would love to hear your thoughts on the number of children who have developed an E.coli infection after drinking contaminated raw and then go on to develop HUS.
Well said…
I believe professor Hill is correct yet I would add that maintaining a general overall interaction with microbes over and above those consumed in food is essential in order to maintain a strong immune system and good health.
That being said, exposure to microbes and/or the avoidance of microbes will not in themselves be enough to resolve our current predicament with illness, due to the fact that the human body; indeed, it’s overall ecosystem has been seriously disrupted by the many toxic drugs, vaccines, chemicals and GMOs that are regularly used in an attempt to placate germaphobia and to satisfy mankind’s egocentric desire for control.
I am not going to argue with either Gordon or Ken. Yiu make good points.
However, even organic dairies are dying due to corrupt cheating and encroachment by CAFO conventional dairy operations.
How much above break even is ethical. I don’t know, but I do know that chronic oversupply and giving total price control to the processors is a broken model and kills family farms. It guts America.
We are better than this.
Raw is awesome….that we all agree upon. I spent a great deal of time teaching, traveling, mentoring and helping. I am also ethically bound to a higher cause. Why should I stand by and watch the full scale loss of family sized dairies.
America only needs one thousand, 10,000 cow CAFO operations for its milk supply ( supermarket retail supply ). That means we are losing regional milk and the food chain that it feeds.
We are in deep shit friends. If we do not act now, there will be centralized huge CAFOs and that will be our new reality.
I am feeding those that want Organic Raw Milk…along with four other courageous dairy farms selling raw milk in CA. We are not going to put cheap cheese on pizza. We are not going to make all the yogurt and ice cream needed.
We need to look at our country and really consider what is happening here.
Last month Wisconsin lost 47 dairies. 509 last year. CA is losing more than a dairy a week.
Mark
Farm Direct at Five Years: An Early Assessment of Oregon’s Farm-focused Cottage Food Law
https://www.foodsystemsjournal.org/index.php/fsj/article/view/621
The B.C. government sells pot online at https://www.bccannabisstores.com. Meanwhile B.C. raw milk farmers are still threatened with 3 years jail, maximum $3M fine, or confiscation of land for “packaging and distributing” raw milk.
Vera, if you read my current post you’ll have an idea about why cannabis promoters have had so much more success than raw dairy promoters.
Milk is useful if it is natural. For example, the taste of the milk that the grandmother brought from the village and from the store bought is very different.