When Poop Becomes a “Drug,” Docs Better Watch How They Speak to the FDA


There appears to be a little hangup in all the good news about poop helping cure intestinal infections. You see, when you discover that something, anything, acts as a cure for disease, well, that something becomes, in the parlance of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, a “drug.” 


And as a drug, that something must go through a strict approval process. All kinds of testing and forms to fill out. Can take years. Except the doctors using poop to eradicate recurring infections of Clostridium difficile bacteria don’t have years. They have patients who need the treatment now. 


The New York Times article reporting on the research results (which is the most emailed article at the NY Times, by the way) noted at one point:“Dr. Lawrence J. Brandt, a professor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, said that the Food and Drug Administration had recently begun to regard stool used for transplant as a drug, and to require doctors administering it to apply for permission, something that he said could hinder treatment.”


Now, I can understand that Dr. Brandt might become impatient with the FDA and its rules. It has used those rules to require food sellers to remove information from the Internet in which they even hint that certain foods can relieve certain medical conditions and thereby improve health. So if food can be considered a drug, why not poop? 


So here’s some advice for Dr. Brandt to deal with his impatience: 


*Try not to lash out at the FDA. If they hold up your treatment, definitely don’t say, “You guys are full of shit!” Instead, try the soothing-voice approach, as in, “You guys are sooooo full of shit.” 


*Try not to threaten the guys and gals at the FDA. Definitely don’t tell them, “You guys better move it, or the shit is going to hit the fan!” Rather, say something that might be appealing, given the new status of poop, like, “The sooner you guys approve this, the sooner we can all bathe in the shit that is going to fly around here.” 


*Keep a lid on the personal accusations. You might be tempted to tell one or the other FDA operative, “You guys really have you heads up your asses.” Temper it a bit. Something more positive, like, “Hey, try sticking your head up your ass, you may find some of the meds I need.” 


*Don’t question the FDA commitment to improving health. When an official talks about how the approval process “takes time,” don’t get accusatory, as in, “You guys don’t give a shit about whether people suffer.” Give him or her an incentive. “Next time you shit, think about how you could be helping people.” 


You see, it doesn’t have to be adversarial. Dealing with the FDA can be smooth and easy. No shit. 

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Deborah - Pacifica
January 18, 2013 5:47 pm

Oh my gosh, David, I’ve got to say this has got to be one of the most humorous article To date! Love the list of Dr. Brandt’s advice that you included. Despite the humorous side of a serious medical issue, as usual, you bring home the point of how disingenuous the FDA is. I keep praying that someone will pass some sort of restraint on the FDA with regards to ancient healing practices that have been around for eons! Those practices did not need an agency to verify that they healed a person & those… Read more »

D. Smith
January 18, 2013 6:21 pm

Smooth and easy, just like a bowel movement should be. =8-o

I sure wish the shit would hurry up and hit the fan with the fda because they desperately need to be dismantled. I’ll bet there isn’t one live brain cell around the place. If there is, no one is using it.

I have a question: IF the drug companies/manufacturers are no longer liable for adverse reactions or the resulting damage from the reaction, why do drugs have to be controlled? I mean, it’s like they can put anything – ANYTHING – into these pills and… Read more »

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
January 18, 2013 7:18 pm

They regulate drugs such as antibiotics in order to kill microorganisms, now they want to classify and regulate shit as a drug because doctors are scurrying two use it in order to offset the effect of those same above antibiotics!?

Thanks for pointing out the lighter side of this autocratic insanity David.


Ora Moose
Ora Moose
January 18, 2013 8:13 pm

I just had a great idea for a new business: Shit banks! Kinda like sperm banks but without the risk of babies… Now if there was a way that you could actually prove that your shit is the best around, you could become a “shit stud” and make a killing. Wait, that’s the wrong word for earning a living, unless you are into antibiotics. And maybe you could get free asswipes for life, but strictly organic of course.

I wonder if the diet of a “shit stud” would play a large role in… Read more »

Ora Moose
Ora Moose
January 18, 2013 9:18 pm

Once again logic, truth, ethics and integrity in medical science somehow got trumped, according to this NYT article. How can anyone rationalize that “The study was originally meant to include more patients, but it had to be cut short because the antibiotic groups were faring so poorly compared with the transplant patients that it was *considered unethical* to continue.” It sure seems to me, it is a hell of a lot more unethical to stop when the results show that something actually works, no?

The truth is out there, and sometimes it just gets squashed but in… Read more »

Ora Moose
Ora Moose
January 18, 2013 9:39 pm

One last thing: The FDA should not be allowed to get a stool at this table, or eventually maybe we’ll end up getting arrested for pooping outside their jurisdiction.

Ron Klein
January 18, 2013 10:35 pm

Simplicity, add a bit of class–be open—polite– inviting—-perhaps;

“Mi caca su caca.”

D. Smith
January 18, 2013 10:44 pm

[quote from Ora’s post above]: “In other words, if something so simple and cheap works, we must regulate it to a stop until we can distill it and make an artificial expensive and controlled alternative that can be highly profitable and “less unpleasant.” “[end of quote]

There already is a “less unpleasant” version. It’s called a probiotic, and although it will take longer to do the job, it will work, no matter which end it goes into. After all, all poop has different microorganisms depending on the source of the poop so there are no guarantees even if… Read more »

D. Smith
January 18, 2013 10:44 pm

[quote from Ora’s post above]: “In other words, if something so simple and cheap works, we must regulate it to a stop until we can distill it and make an artificial expensive and controlled alternative that can be highly profitable and “less unpleasant.” “[end of quote]

There already is a “less unpleasant” version. It’s called a probiotic, and although it will take longer to do the job, it will work, no matter which end it goes into. After all, all poop has different microorganisms depending on the source of the poop so there are no guarantees even if… Read more »

D. Smith
January 18, 2013 10:46 pm

Ratz . . . I hit the “post” button by accident. Doctors don’t want to know much about natural medicines because it’s a whole ‘nother field they’d have to study. In a way, I can see their point, but then again they should want to know what works, right?

January 18, 2013 11:31 pm


Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 19, 2013 2:58 am

Ora, will the shit banks be organic?
David, great post!

January 19, 2013 7:45 am

The answer is that (corporate) control is the goal. That’s why all regulation is promulgated, and all legislation written, to maximize government discretionary power, while granting corporations every kind of special right and absolving them of all responsibility.

The idea is to place corporations above the law in principle, and give government total flexibility to enforce laws and regulations only in ways which benefit corporations and assault dissenters from corporate domination and challengers to it.

That’s why drugs, for example, are “controlled” at FDA discretion – what’s really to be controlled isn’t drugs but any threat to the power of Big… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 19, 2013 6:17 pm
mark mcafee
January 20, 2013 6:33 pm

I am critical of Aajonus’s cult like style. Critical of medical advice being retrieved by speaking to animals. Critical of his weird concepts of sex. I am not critical of his basic nutritional concept which advocates a whole and unprocessed diet. Just this last week, one of his patients contacted OPDC saying that Aajonus claims that OPDC raw milk…..is not really raw….because OPDC freezes all of our raw milk. This is twisted and a blatant and outrageous lie… That is why I am critical of Aajonus. He could be a revered and respected healer…..instead he is a confusing… Read more »

D. Smith
January 20, 2013 8:34 pm

I agree with your assessment of Vonderplanitz, Mark. I’ve been doing some checking and although, as you say, some of his nutritional information is ok, the rest of his stuff seems almost quacky and cultish and would sound especially so to newbies and *agency nerds* who relish the idea of knowing nothing about health or nutrition, and yet are the ones making those decisions. Say what he will, I don’t think the idea of putting pure poop on our food is going to appeal to the masses. Too much ick factor. Especially since we have choices of… Read more »

D. Smith
January 22, 2013 1:45 am

I think I might have found another reason why the “control” of drugs is important to the benefit of our gubment AND to bigPHRma. They are just going to make damn sure they get us coming and going.


Making us pay for our own slow demise, too boot. Now that’s slick. Gotta hand it to those doods in WADC, they’re a bunch of underrated treasures, aren’t they?

mark mcafee
January 22, 2013 2:17 am

Let me apologize to all of the good people of the world that have gained intellegence by speaking with Coyotes and rabits just like Aajunus. There is room for all of us…..I just have a hard time with listening to Coyotes and rabits.

I guess I do not have the cultish skills required to hear what they say. When I hear coyotes yiping at night and trying to eat my calves…I shoot the bastards with a .223

Sorry to all the evolved souls. I love my calves.


January 22, 2013 3:27 am


We have plenty of coyotes where I live.They don’t ever bother the calves. Maybe because when they are small the calves stay with their mothers and the cows all have their horns.Coyotes are smart enough to stay a safe distance from a mother cow with horns.We also have plenty of wildlife like rabbits and turkeys that the coyotes can hunt. We love our calves and our coyotes.They are all part of the diversity here that makes the place healthy and sustainable.


mark mcafee
January 22, 2013 4:45 am

Coyotes ( dumpster divers ) are part of our ecosystem as well. Our neighbors have CAFO chicken systems and the dead chickens thrown into their dumpsters are their food. Fresh placentas and pasture gophers make a well balanced diet.

I must admit…I have not been able to hit a coyote in years. I scare them off with a super high powered light. When my 4 million candle power system hits them…they are gone. We do find pieces of dead calves that are not well protected when they stay with their moms out in the pastures.

All part of… Read more »

Ken Conrad
Ken Conrad
January 22, 2013 8:40 am

There are plenty of coyotes and a healthy population of wolves where I live just north of Algonquin Park. They will usually keep a wide berth between themselves and a herd of cows, heaven forbid if a herd of cows should happen to surround one of these predators. A lone cow on the other hand, that segregates herself from the herd to have its calf is vulnerable and a pack of hungry coyotes in particular, who are not as shy as wolves, will take advantage of this in order to disorientate the cow and snatch the calf. For the… Read more »

January 22, 2013 10:59 am

Well, don’t let yourself be misdirected by the “national debt” scam, which is a meaningless number.

The most interesting and disgusting, and typical, thing here is how the government taxes customers to cover the corporations’ legal risks, and how those risks are transferred from the corporations to this fund. That’s typical corporatism, and a good example of how the corporate state functions: Nominal government transfers power from itself to the corporations it creates, while transferring all liabilities from the corporations to itself.

The intended end result: Corporations have 100% of the power and license, zero risks or responsibilities, governments (still nominally… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 22, 2013 12:37 pm

Don’t the farm dogs keep the coyotes away? I have a friend with a couple of Great Pyrenees’ that she says keeps the critters away. Beautiful dogs, but they tend to bark at night.

D. Smith
January 22, 2013 3:02 pm

There is no national debt, not really. Just ask Krugman who thinks we should just mint a trillion dollar coin and poof our problems are gone. Yes, the idiots are clever.

All the small agencies were designed to cover up the short-comings of the corporate world. What a great place to stash and lose money, huh. Very clever indeed.

But a tax to help us kill ourselves with unwanted, unnecessary, unproven, untested, unscientific vax?

Dave Milano
January 22, 2013 4:21 pm

Here in the mid-Atlantic mountains there are occasional roving bands of coyotes, along with more ubiquitous smaller predators like bobcats and fox.

One season we lost almost our entire flock of chickens over a short two weeks to a couple of bobcats, then lost our replacement flock. At that point I moved the chicken house down to the cow pasture, and have not lost a single chicken since. Often the chickens follow the cows as they graze, picking up jostled bugs while enjoying the protective services. Just yesterday I watched a large fox ambling through the pasture just 20 yards… Read more »

Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 22, 2013 6:24 pm

Learning to work with Nature can be a challenge when various information/instructions are tossed at you. It can be overwhelming. There’s so much to learn.


Just as Autism has grossly increased, so has ADHD… oh I see, the drug companies make big $$$ with Ritalin and other drugs.


Poison is poison no matter what form it comes in.

Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 22, 2013 6:41 pm


“Milk, honey, coffee and syrup are also listed by the USP as being highly adulterated products. ”

And the lies continue…

Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 22, 2013 6:46 pm


2nd video accuses raw milk causing GBS, wonder if he had a flu shot?

Sylvia Gibson
Sylvia Gibson
January 22, 2013 7:09 pm
January 23, 2013 8:41 am

Yes, we must understand that taxes are fiscally unnecessary, but are only for purposes of fiscal propaganda and social control. As we’ve seen in Texas and elsewhere, the goal is to force as many vaccines as possible upon the people. The purpose of this is corporate profit and to force people into the corporate medicine system. Tying dedicated taxes to particular vaccines is meant to generate racket alliances (now the weapons rackets have an interest in vaccination) and build legislator support for coercive legislation.

As for the “debt”, if a society wants to have centralized money at all, then a… Read more »