Weston A. Price
Suddenly, in mid November, the story about fermented cod liver oil seemed to go silent. It was almost as if the FCLO controversy—some had turned to calling it a scandal—had simply ended.
But, of course, that wasn’t the case. Green Pasture, the only known commercial producer of FCLO, continues to crank the stuff out. In its current web site welcoming message, it uses the word “sacred” to describe FCLO five times within five short paragraphs, almost as if it is talking about holy water, or an aphrodisiac.
The Weston A. Price Foundation continues to promote Green Pasture FCLO as “best” among fish oils—indeed, the first four of its six listings of “best” in the U.S. are Green Pasture—on its web site updated just six weeks ago, Nov. 23. All this even though Dr. Weston A. Price himself warned about the dangers of rancid cod liver oil.
As much as Green Pasture and WAPF would like to pretend that little has changed in the world of FCLO, much did, of course. I continue to meet and hear from people who say they had bad reactions from FCLO, and that getting off FCLO improved their health. The latest is a comment on this blog yesterday from Anneliza, who just in the last week or so discovered that there was more to the FCLO issue than what was reported in the WAPF quarterly magazine.
“I called my mother to tell her to quit taking FCLO,” says Anneliza. “Come to find out she had just been to the doctor and her Vit. D is low. Now I’m hoping this is why I have the awful skin rash, headaches, and inflammatory tendonitis which, I realized, started the year I started using FCLO, after it came out.”
The story also was very much noticed in the conventional world of food safety. Food Safety News allocated two of the ten places on its year-end “nice list” to people who publicized the problems around FCLO—Kaayla Daniel, who broke the story with her report showing samples of FCLO to be rancid; and me, for my reporting on the study and its huge after-effects within WAPF. One effect, of course, was the formation of a new food and nutrition organization, the Paleo-Primal-Price Foundation.
Ideally, a mention would have gone as well to Ann Marie Michaels, who did a number of analyses and interviews on her Cheeseslave blog to explain the problems associated with FCLO. Here’s one.
I have to admit, it felt a little strange to be on a commendation list together with Michael Taylor, the chief food safety official as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But, then, one of the lessons I learned from the entire FCLO blowup is that not everything is as it seems, or as I might like it to be, in the world of food safety and nutrient-dense food. Financial interests and ideology can have corrosive effects on anyone and everyone, no matter their initial intentions.
While the work that several of us did to alert people to the potential health problems associated with FCLO certainly put many users on notice, lots of people who don’t follow food news closely didn’t get the word. Anneliza is one of those, and you can be certain there are many more like her who still don’t have the word. The failure of Green Pasture and WAPF to properly alert people to the potential dangers of this product will remain a black eye for them for as long as they continue to pretend that all is well.
@ David: Great article. I’ve been wondering if there is a blog or forum of some kind associated with PPPF? I would love to read input and news and food information from Dr. Daniel and others, but if she’s doing another blog besides her Naughty Nutritionist one, I have been unable to locate it. There has been little to no activity at the NN blog so where do we find info through the new foundation?
https://ffnw.org/ That is the website 🙂
@ Jillian: That is information about the conference which was held back in November. There’s no blog there that I could find, no forum where people can talk to each other. That isn’t what I envisioned when everyone was all excited about a new, informative, foodie-based web sitse. I thought it was going to be a place to share information and that Dr. Daniel would be blogging – or SOMETHING. I’ve been to that link you gave me above at least a dozen times in the past 2 months and there’s nothing there that’s “new”. I’m disappointed.
D. Smith, I’m with you on being disappointed that nothing new about FFNW activities, or even promises of anything upcoming, has been released. There is something new on the website though, with the posting now of 9 on-demand videos of the conference. Still no video of Ron Schmidt’s dinner presentation though, which I thought would be forthcoming.
Lynn, and D,
There are things going on behind the scenes to follow up on the highly successful initial conference. There’s been a board meeting, and at least a couple committees formed to begin developing an organizational structure and plan for the next national conference. Keep in mind that immediately after the conference in mid-November, we plunged into the Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year’s holidays. Keep in mind as well that pretty much everyone working on these followup planning activities is a volunteer. Immediately after the November conference, a number of organizers had to get back to paying activities they had neglected in order to make the initial conference the hit it was. This isn’t to make excuses, merely by way of explanation. I very much appreciate your ongoing interest.
David,
I appreciate the difficulties posed by the issues you mention and that it really hasn’t been all that long since the conference. However, to build on the success of the conference and keep the momentum going, it seems like the release of some kind of newsletter or email to members would be helpful and appreciated. You told us who the new officers are, but maybe not everyone in FFNW reads this blog. The names of the officers, how many people attended the conference, anything else that could be said about the conference for those of us that couldn’t attend, ideas for the future – could some of this information be shared in an email to members? Are there more conference videos to be posted? And what is the official name – FFNW or PPPF?
Lynn, I know that Ron Schmid sent at least one letter out to everyone who attended the conference, with much of the information you mention, along with some tentative plans for the next conference. I thought the request from you and D concerned regular additional updates.
I would not be updated because I’m not a “member” anywhere. I thought you could only become a “member” if you went to the convention?? I was unable to do that so I’ve been patiently waiting for a blog post or something from Dr. Daniel or Dr. Schmid or someone – but first there has to be a blog to go to, that’s my point. I wouldn’t have the faintest idea where to find this info even if it were online and, as Lynn M pointed out, it isn’t even settled as to what this will be called.
David, you’ve made several blog posts on your site here – couldn’t someone (volunteer or otherwise) set up a blog or a forum that ALL of us could follow for this new organization, even if they only posted something once a week? I’ll tell you, it took me all of 10 minutes to set up my initial forum. Seriously. I’ve tweaked it now over the past few years, but setting it up is a snap, and it’s free and you don’t need a webmaster or anything else. They have a support page if you need help, but people rarely use it unless they are having maintenance issues. That happens rarely. It would be something to consider – who can resist “free”?!
D. Smith,
There was a membership category for people that didn’t go to the convention. For the early-bird price of $47, you could become a founding member of PPPF and view online on-demand videos of the conference speakers. If I remember right, both conference attendees and non-attendees had to enter through the same portal to sign up, so it may not have been obvious enough that there was a non-attendee membership option. I think I was clued in because I had read about the non-attending membership option on someone else’s blog.
David G.,
I was a non-attendee and don’t believe I received a letter or email from Ron Schmid.
I was looking for a conference wrap-up as well as regular additional updates, whether at the FFNW website or elsewhere, as D. suggested. Seems like the website could be updated to reflect that the convention has already occurred and to let us know of any ongoing activity.
Eight months after I ran out of that stuff, my health continues to improve. A nasty skin condition has largely resolved, my BP has normalized, I sleep better and feel better. I’ve come to the conclusion after a great deal of study and thought that FCLO is dangerous, and that nobody should be taking it. It is undoubtedly rancid. Rancid PUFA is damaging to the body; although some can tolerate it for long periods, it is not doing them any good. The exceptionally healthy people Dr. Price encountered got their fat-soluble vitamins solely from food and sunlight, and that is what I now do, as well. I no longer trust the judgment of the leadership of WAPF, any more than I trust the CDC or the FDA. I find it difficult to forgive WAPF for promoting this snake oil. I wonder how many people there are like Anneliza? Most of the folks I met in Anaheim were new to the foundation.
I take FCLO, and feel healthy, am I an anomaly? I actually think the product is great. Could it be a case of everyone is different? I know I am not alone in liking the product, many others have reported health benefits from taking it too – just aquick search online will show this.
Craig, I think it could be a case of everyone being different, reacting a little differently. Ron Schmid, the naturopathic physician who attributed his heart failure symptoms to FCLO, is of the view that FCLO contains nutrients that improve health, while also having properties that erode health, and the two forces play out differently in different people. I’d suggest watching your Vitamin D levels and keeping an eye out for symptoms related to skin and heart issues, in particular, since those have been the most common problems cited.
I think you are right that people do react differently to different foods. I don’t rely just on FCLO for vitamin D, so this shouldn’t be an issue (do people really just rely on FCLO for vitamin D?). I get an overwhelming feel of negativity towards FCLO on this blog, but just wanted to show that not everyone has bad reactions to FCLO (much to the contrary in my experience).
Craig, it seems like many of the conditions that are being reported are symptoms of inflammation. This is something that increases over time. And of course there are a lot of variable including the dosage and each body’s ability to cope with inflammatory agents. I believe there are definitely beneficial nutrients in the product, but I believe that there are also agents that would cause chronic, systemic inflammation that will result in a cascade of symptoms and conditions given enough time. One test that is not too expensive is the c reactive protein test which is an indicator of bodily inflammation.
I believe that there are safer, and perhaps cheaper, ways to get the same nutrients. The capsules are certainly more convenient than taking an oil, but the CLO that I think is best will come encapsulated soon. I was led to believe that the fermentation process would help to preserve the oil, just as it does fermented foods. I have now learned that is not true. Fermented foods are preserved by lactic acid, and almost all of the acids are centrifuged from the oil. I was led to believe that the fermentation process would result in an oil rich in good bacteria and enzymes, just like fermented foods. This is also not true. There are absolutely zero live bacteria in the oil (bacteria cannot live in oil) and most of the enzymes have been stripped out through centrifuging. The only thing left is that extraction via fermentation was a more traditional and natural production method for CLO – purportedly better than steam extraction. But even if that is the case, I don’t think it is the most natural method or best method being employed at this time. So, I really don’t see any reason to take a chance on this product when there are equal or better options available.
Can someone who know more about inflammation than I answer something…
When you look at Sally F now compared to a few years ago, she looks much less healthy; that puffy look. Is that just age/weight or is that a classic systemic affect of inflammation?
Serious question, not a personal attack. Everyones thinking it and I’ve heard comments to that affect before. But while its rhetorically powerful to point out, is it reasonable to say from a medical standpoint that its quite possibly due to FCLO induced inflammation?
Yes, Pete, that can definitely be a symptom of chronic systemic inflammation. My wife had that pretty badly until she got off of gluten. And yes, not only does Sally look puffy, but grey. I heard that somebody posted a picture of her that was purportedly from this last conference and that she looked much better, much thinner, with color in her cheeks. I heard speculation that perhaps she had “ceased her dose”. However, then I heard somebody else say that the picture in question was actually from a previous conference. I don’t have any definitive information.
I know people who eat a standard american diet and feel healthy. They just don’t know what true health is like. Or, the harmful affects take a long time to show themselves via diseases of degeneration. Everyone is different and reacts differently to toxins.
I know others that go on vegan diets and feel much much better. For a time. They simply consume something less bad. But eventually it catches up to them.
Most of the vegetarians/vegans that we have known, the strict ones, they last about 10 years before they start into a series of health crises. The body is amazing. Amazing that it can take so long for lack of certain nutrients to finally cause issues.
The nice thing about vegetarians and vegans is they are some of the few thin people left in this country. However you can see the lack of vitamins and healthy fats in their skin tone and texture. And thats not the only way to maintain healthy weight, much less the best.
@ Pete: Being vegan/vegetarian and being thin because of it, is a myth.
Not only that, but being skinny doesn’t mean being healthy. Wherever did you get that idea?
No being skinny doesn’t mean being healthy per se; but its a start. You’re not healthy if you’re fat, and most Americans are fat. I was being gracious to our non-animal consuming friends, don’t rain on my parade :).
As to thin vegans. Maybe I’m wrong, but I was speaking from personal experience of those such folks I’ve met. It may not be true in all cases but often it is. If I walk into my local organic food store (which sells very little meat but much of that vegitarian stuff) and look at the clientèle and then walk into any other grocery store and do the same; well the difference is obvious.
Personally I think its the high carb and antibiotic laden foods; sounds awfully lot like a feedlot fattening ration.
Which antibiotic-laden foods? Do you mean foods with a high microbial content because they have been fermented?
@ John: That was an ignorantly stupid question. If that’s what you think Pete was referring to, you’re at the wrong foodie forum. Maybe your buddies at Tyson Chicken (for a start) could explain it to you???
D. Smith
Yes, that was a bit naughty.
IMHO it is difficult to find antibiotics in any animal products found in supermarkets. Yes, low-dose antibiotics are used in meat production, but these are largely undetectable in the products (certainly not antibiotic-‘laden’ in my view). And yes, the system is not absolutely perfect and a few lapses do occur.
Antibiotics are produced by microbes to influence microbes. They are an integral part of normal microbial ecology. So, if the food product is a product of a mixed fermentation (say kefir?) then there maybe antibiotics produced by some organisms, in what is essentially a competitive process. And hence, if there is close to no antibiotic residues in animal products, then fermented foods are maybe the only other possibility. That isn’t meant to be a knock on fermented foods at all, just a reminder that bugs and antibiotics are somewhat inseparable.
Chicken promotion in these parts (not USA) is shifting to ‘raised without antibiotics’….in practice, a downscaled version of Organic. ‘Raised without’ I believe is important for 2 reasons. First, both conventional birds and RWA birds would likely test negative for residues….so all are ‘antibiotic-free’ (in a way); plus testing each bird is impractical.. Second, the primary concern appears to be anti-microbial resistance resulting from feed antibiotic usage, since most carcasses carry many bacteria after processing. Raising the birds without antibiotics is a bit of a challenge, but if a flock gets into trouble they just medicate them and sell them later as general birds. With some of their bigger fast-food clients promising to go RWA, they’ll need to get better and maximize the success of the untreated flocks.
Sorry if I struck a nerve. Activist ‘over-speak’ like antibiotic ‘laden’ ….pesticide ‘drenched’ tend to get in the way of my more normal manners.
John
When it comes to antibiotics and chemicals in food it’s all about regulators establishing residue standards, aka acceptable allowable limits, which as I stated to Mark a while back, “are in all likelihood skewed” because “they are based on the FDA’s relative interpretation of what it considers safe.”
Do you trust the FDA John and/or their “acceptable allowable limits” for injected, infused, fed, and poured on insidious drugs and endocrine disrupting chemicals such as antibiotics, organophosphates, glyphosate and rBST etc?
Fermented foods rely on a symbiotic process known as competitive exclusion as apposed to the above, disjointed effect of drugs and chemicals.
Chickens don’t need synthetic antibiotics to be healthy, John. Even big-time producers can afford this method (at the link provided below) and I can tell you for a fact that it works.
http://naturalchickenkeeping.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-benefits-of-garlic-cayenne-and.html
And fermented foods are not antibiotic, John, they are probiotic. One kills life (anti), one gives life (pro) in terms of bacteria. Antibiotics kill indiscriminately, both good and bad bacteria (which is ultimately not a good thing) and weakens the entire system, whereas probiotics repopulate the good bacteria, which help kill the bad bacteria and fight infection.
Personally, I prefer chickens raised with natural antibiotics vs synthetic chemicals.
Word has it that roughly 70% of all antibiotics used in the U.S. each year, some 25 million pounds (whew, I guess all one can say is “go Pfizer” et al – – or maybe shame on you, Pfizer et al?) are routinely fed to the poultry, pigs, and beef cattle that end up on our dinner plates. But it’s not used to treat disease. Instead, antibiotics are used as food additives to promote faster growth and compensate for illnesses the animals MIGHT get as a result of over-crowded and unsanitary conditions on corporate farms and feedlots. Jeepers, evidently Pfizer has no shame.
Many foreign countries have banned the use of most, if not all, antibiotics as growth promoters. And they’ve done this without adversely affecting food safety. A marvelous thing. ; ) So that should tell us (the USA) something in itself.
Ken. Meanwhile, back on the ranch in Nebraska…….GP continue to market FCLO under what appears to resemble a trip to Los Vegas…..’what happens in Nebraska, stays in Nebraska’. Is this a better way?
John
@ John: I’m not Ken, but I’ll tell you what I think about your question. I mentioned here quite some time ago, when the talk was all about FCLO, that we must work with the “agencies” we have, like them or not. That is a fact we cannot escape. The FDA is either there to do a job or its not, and clearly in this case it’s not. The question is why. They’ve come down hard on many other supplements in the past, and FCLO is either a supplement or a food, both of which fall within their purview. So I’ve answered your question with another question.
Places like GP obviously need to be inspected in some form, whether it’s the FDA or the State or whatever. It would appear that Mr. Wetzel prefers to stifle any type of look-see at his business by using attorneys and paperwork. Just looking at past posts from people commenting here on this blog, it would appear Mr. Wetzel has done an about-face on several issues concerning his production methods, sources, marketing, etc.
Many people would like straight answers about this product. No one is giving or getting straight answers. In all likelihood, the best option is to avoid the stuff until more is known, if it ever is.
I took FCLO for a while (maybe went through 2-3 full bottles) with no problems at all. In fact, my acne actually started to clear up when I started taking it. However, when all this news came out it did worry me, so I ordered Rosita extra virgin cod liver oil and started taking that instead. The extra virgin cod liver oil is much better in my opinion. It’s light in color, smells fresh, and has a very mild fish taste. I’m interested to see what happens with the FLCO controversy going forward.
Thank you for keeping us informed and updated through everything. I always hoped that something good would come from this, and perhaps the Paleo Primal Price Foundation will be the good I was hoping for.
Thanks for the update David. One of my customers asked me to comment on the Trans Fats information that was presented on the Health Home Economist blog that exonerated GPP for having trans fats in its product according to the Daniel report. I looked at the post and apparently it had no verifiable facts in the piece. It didn’t give any test results, it didn’t show what type of trans fats were in the product. It just said that they (GPP and WAPF?) found trans fats in all of the CLO products that they tested, in varying amounts, and then claimed that they were the healthy for you type. Perhaps the information was based upon a presentation made at the wise traditions conference? If so, then that really begs the question, if the data shows exactly what HHE is claiming, then wouldn’t GPP and WAPF want to put that information out for the public to see ASAP?
I can’t find it write now, but I believe that Dr. Daniel’s published test results on FCLO showed conclusively that not only was there trans fats in the batch of FCLO that she tested, but they were at much higher concentrations than are being reported now by HHE, and also that it was the “give you heart disease” type, and not the good for you type.
I had to tell my customer that this was merely an opinion piece without any supporting documentation written by somebody that makes a lot of money promoting FCLO with affiliate links, and stands to lose a significant amount of income if people stop buying it. Sad, but true.
Thank you again for your efforts, David.
Hi Steve, I’m the customer who asked about this via your FB page. Somehow I missed your reply, so I am very glad to see it here. I’ll be eager to see if anyone else has any thoughts on this. I am not understanding why there has not been more discussion about it. And btw I have really appreciated all of your input in the whole FCLO “scandal.” Very level-headed and well thought out. Blessings —
I’m one of those people that developed heart arrhythmias, first PACs and then atrial fibrillation, during the 6-7 years of taking 1 tsp. of FCLO daily. I stopped taking it on 8/23/15. I saw my doctor 11 weeks later, and after describing the difficulties people experienced from FCLO, he ordered Vitamin D and Genova Diagnostics Urine Oxidative Stress 2.0 tests.
My 25(OH)D was 30. I was taking 2,000 IU transdermally daily and got little sun. My readings for Urine Lipid Peroxides and 8-OHdG were both in the yellow zone – within ref range but outside 1-SD.
The oils I eat are raw butter from pastured cows, ghee, EV olive, EV coconut oilt, and tallow. I don’t eat fried food or omega- 6 oils. Because I don’t eat processed foods or conventionally-sourced animal products, I attribute my much-higher-than-optimal oxidative stress measures to taking FCLO. By themselves, these results don’t prove that, but they are a piece of evidence for consideration.
Curious as to whether or not your atrial fib has improved since ceasing the FCLO Lynn…
Annie,
My atrial fib has improved since ceasing FCLO. Since it had previously occurred only intermittently, it’s hard to quantify the difference in frequency. If I have a certain feeling, I take my pulse, and when I can’t detect a solid pulse, then I know I’m in atrial fib. But I almost never get that feeling now.
Lynn_M, thank you for sharing your experience. Given that you said you developed a-fib, I wonder, how have other heart measurements changed in the time since you’ve stopped taking FCLO? My mother was diagnosed with a-fib, hence my interest in this condition. She has not taken FCLO, however, she has not been as great about using those healthy oils you mentioned and I wonder if rancid fats or trans fats may have played a part for her, as well as you (since you mentioned that you developed the a-fib during the time that you took FCLO).
Anon,
By other heart measurements, do you meant BP and pulse rate? I don’t think they’ve changed that much. I haven’t had an EKG since I stopped.
I haven’t found anyone that has suggested the mechanism underlying why some people have developed heart arrhythmias as a result of taking FCLO. I had hoped Ron Schmid might be able to contribute to an understanding of this. Until a physiological reason can be determined or hypothesized, I believe reports such as mine will be dismissed as merely anecdotal.
Lynn_M, my question was essentially Annie Dru’s. Your reply to her was really what I was looking for. Glad to hear that your heart seems to be doing better.
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/AHFSS/Milk_and_Dairy_Food_Safety/rawmilk.html
This is serious new news!! CDFA has just announced its regulatory guidance on “cow shares” in the past, CDFA has considered cow shares to be a grey area that was outside of its regulatory standards. Well…not any longer. CDFA now forbids cow shares as a matter of policy and goes even further and makes it a misdemeanor or even a felony to sell or share raw milk if not permitted by the state.
All I have to say is this….four years ago, CDFA and CADPH were at the table and were supportive of a registration process wherein micro dairies could be inspected and loosened standards would apply. These days are gone. I remember very clearly being yelled at by some cow share operators and I definitely remember being asked to not attend and support cow share hearings. Freedom was all the rage.
I really hope that our CA RAWMI listed dairymen can apply for and be granted Grade A status. Having seen their nice facilities and test data….I really do believe they are close to Grade A already. Let this be a lesson…when the state hands you a peace pipe….you smoke it and take the progress that is offered, even if it is called “registration”. What the cow share group did was give the state the third finger many years ago….now look at what is going down now!! We already know that the legislature has no appetite for a raw milk freedom bill…the last one died in committee!
Wow…major changes going on.
Mark,
I have read that the Feds are gearing up to get the Food Safety Modernization Act implementation going. Regulations are being finalized. Do you think that might have more to do with the new regulations on cow shares from the CDFA than the cow share folks giving the state the finger many years ago?
“I really hope that our CA RAWMI listed dairymen can apply for and be granted Grade A status.”
And hopefully your CA RAWMI dairywomen as well, Mark. 🙂
Well Mark, it appears the nanny state is inching its way towards absolute control over raw milk consumption. A socialist/fascist tactic for the greater good no less!
All that those who own a cow desire to do is engage in the age-old practice of consuming their own milk. I don’t blame them for giving the middle finger to a government that is intent on shafting their right to make an informed choice to consume raw milk.
India’s Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto recognize something about the United States that many of its politicians, law makers and bureaucrats fail to comprehend and oftentimes appear to ignore. She states, “When the United States aligns with dictatorships and totalitarian regimes, it compromises the basic democratic principles of its foundation”.
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/Milk_and_Dairy_Food_Safety/pdfs/RawMilkRequirementsSummary.pdf
Here is the link from Cdfa that breaks the bad news to CA based cow shares
In response to all….I have no idea about the Feds verses CDFA tightening standards. All I know is that CDFA just made themselves clear. Clear does not mean vetted or affirmed by the courts. It is unclear to me how the CDFA will cooperate with micro dairies that try to be me Grade A. It is my bet that CDFA will try and accommodate them as best they can. I know in the past, CDFA has worked well with us….for the asking. But first you need to ask and risk the relationship.
As far as India’s leadership quote…it is fascinating. Clearly, the USA preferred Chile’s Pinoche over the elected Allende’. That was a true crime and atrocity against people and democracy. To think that America can impart its own philosophy of democracy on the world is itself wrong minded. It might seem right for all people to be free and etc….but when this is attempted….all that happens is sheer chaos.
Perhaps the world is best when left to its own geo specific evolutions as ugly as that may seem. To think that Kadafy was better than Isis and Sadam Husein was somehow better than Kurdish genocide. This boggles the mind. Now we see Russia in action against our friends and enemies and everyone is thoroughly confused about what is right. Saudi Arabia is now mass executing 47 human beings including political prisoners at one time and we thought Isis was bad.
Houston….we have a real problem!!
This is an excellent documentary.
https://thatvitaminmovie.com/movie/freescreening/
Thank you for posting this link, Ken. It was well worth watching, I just wish it would have been more geared towards amounts of each vitamin used daily, best name brands, and most importantly how in the world these people tolerated such high doses of internal vitamin C (not the same as the intravenous C). I also wish they have explored more into the world of minerals. I did order the combo pack of the DVD and the book, so I can at least share this basic information with others. Once people get started down the right path, I guess they’ll just have to do their own research to find best brands, proper daily amounts to use, and most importantly – – what works for them and seems to help them. The part towards the end concerning psychiatry was really important for today’s world, I feel.
Even though I do not agree with concepts like eating only plant-based diets, and I’m also not a believer in genetics as a total blueprint to people’s futures, this was overall a good look at the world of vitamins. Thanks again.
an excellent website by a REAL MILK farm in Somerset, England, with important information about the science proving benefits of A2 raw milk
http://www.hurdlebrook.co.uk/#!science/c1aso
Great information Gordon, thanks. I really like the photo at the bottom of the page. How peaceful it looks!
When milk containing BCM (the “devil” component of A1 milk) is fermented into yogurt, BCM7 is no longer detectable. See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24176353. BMC7 degrades rapidly during fermentation and continues to degrade during storage. So if one doesn’t have access to A2 milk, yogurt seems to be a good alternative.
Since yogurt is a thermophilic fermentation process, whereas kefir is a mesophilic fermentation, I do not know if kefir fermentation also degrades BCM.
Lynn. I’m sorry but my interpretation is a bit different. The BCM7 detected (in parts per billion) in this study is the free polypeptide only. The casein of any A1 milk or yogurt would still potentially yield BCM7 upon digestion in the small intestine. So, making yogurt will not alter the potential for enzymatic cleavage of A1 casein to yield BCM7 in the GIT, as far as I am aware.
On the other hand, I believe there is little evidence that peptides 5 or 7 amino acids in length can be absorbed from the GIT into blood. So, it is likely that BCM5/7 are transient products of digestion that are rapidly degraded into smaller peptides and free amino acids. Most of the promotion of A2 is, in my mind, largely hypothetical. But, there again, Guernseys are nice cows too, and if they have more appeal than other breeds then that’s just fine.
John
yeah, right, Mister John … tossing-off a condescending “hypothetical” seals-off the issue in your academic hothouse. So far-removed from what we see, daily, in our face to face experience, where real people find healing, in what we call “the real world”
….real people die daily in hospital wards, for the lack of REAL MILK. The quickest for-instance : immune milk has been proven to remedy clostridium dificile … yet the cult of the white robe = for which you’re the mouthpiece = won’t use it. The over-educated idiots ‘drink their own bathwater’ and congratulate demselves with their much-learning, while truth-tellers go to gaol. T’was ever thus
I know most people will have made their minds up (for one reason or the other), but an open mind is often very valuable. Everyone is wrong once in a while, and this video on FCLO might be of interest to many. It covers the FLCO ‘scandal’ in great detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVClJ-4wGdY
I am the AnnEliza mentioned above who found the GPS cod liver oil info only on Dec. I watched the interview Annmarie Michaels did with Cathy Raymond and was stunned by how much my symptoms resembled hers. Bright red rash (though not as widespread), itching, swelling of the legs and feet. I also have other symptoms of inflammation that my homeopathic doctor has not been able to figure out. I took the FCLO religiously for at least 8 years, but never more than a teaspoon. I threw it all away on Christmas Eve, and now after 6 weeks, am starting to feel that the rash and edema are slowly improving. My vitamin D was also low so I got D3 supplements.
I have to say, watching the Flint, Michigan water poisoning crisis on the news, the response (or lack thereof) of GPS and WAPF remind me of Michigan’s Governor Snyder, insisting the tea – colored, smelly, leaded water is safe to drink.