I was talking with a veteran raw milk producer a few days ago, who was telling me that his dairys raw milk sales seemed to have leveled off for the first time in years. Now, it was meat sales that were climbing rapidly.
He wasnt sure what was behind the shift away from fast upward growth, but he didnt think people were losing interest in raw milk. No, he figured it was newbies who have launched raw dairies who were siphoning sales from his dairy.
From some of the discussion following my previous post, it certainly doesnt seem to be existing conventional dairies that are trying to capitalize on the growing demand for raw milk. There just arent a lot of examples of such dairies making the transition from selling pre-pasteurized milk to processors, to selling raw milk directly to consumers.
In New England, there seem to be more raw milk options available as time goes on. In the town of Groton, MA, whose board of health rescinded a town ban on raw milk sales last year after a big push by residents, at least two local farmers (not conventional dairies) are seeking to obtain state raw dairy permits.
We learned from testimony offered before the Illinois Board of Health last year that massive amounts of raw milk have been pouring into the Chicago area. Part of the reason was new herd shares, the regulators said. Another has to be an easing in regulatory pressures in both Illinois and Wisconsinboth in response to public pressures.
On the West Coast, new dairies keep springing up. One I have been in contact with is Just Earth Farm in Oregon, which has been laying the groundwork over the last year for a private membership arrangement. Susanne Stover reports on the farms Facebook page that she and her husband have completed the final preparation phase of milk testing to conform with standards set by the Raw Milk Institute : We are happy to report that our first round of milk testing is completed, and we have very clean milk! Coliform count came back <1 per mL (RAWMI standards require levels <25 per mL) and the Standard Plate Count test came back <2,500 per mL (RAWMI standards require they be <15,000 per mL). What do these extra-low bacteria counts mean for you? We can now offer you farm memberships in good conscience. All our hard work is having the desired effect: SAFE, CLEAN milk from our grass to your glass!
I should add that the Stovers are also selling to new members a Welcome Packet that includes my new book, The Raw Milk Answer Book, to educate farm members about raw dairy.
Not only does demand for raw milk continue to grow, but a new breed of farmerboth safety and business orientedis moving to fill the demand. That is a good thing, both for nutritional purposes and local economic development.
Whats happening in your area of the world? More raw milk available? Less raw milk? New suppliers?
I just sit here in California scratching my head. I guess health ministers are blind and also deaf and perhaps unable to read. They ignore 36 million citizens that make up the 8th largest economy in the world. Here in CA 700 stores sell raw milk and it is thriving. But….that does not matter, in fact in their minds it irrelevant, because only peer reviewed published studies from universities matter…how convenient. How rediculously convenient. Universities demand grant money to peer review anything. All this is money driven. No money…no peer review or published studies. How convenient again.
All of this is very predictable, but to see it said and acted upon, just makes your gut turn.
I have asked a group of PHDs that I know to please speed up the process of publishing the RAWMI data. We now have nearly 5 years of data, outstanding standards, and thousands of tests to prove our case. So far…no outbreaks from any RAWMI listed operations. That does not mean that an illness will never happen with RAWMI, but it sure means that with a written RAMP plan and testing, the resulting raw milk is very low risk. Especially when listeria has killed at least 9 consumers of pasteurized dairy products since 2007. This is enough to just make a sane person question the morality, ethics and intellengence of some of our worlds leaders.
I quit scratching my head trying to understand why those ministry puppets think the way they do. If I hadnt I would be bald by now!
They have created a fools paradise based on precepts that defy logic and natural living, and it appears most Canadians are relatively happy to live in that state.
This practice of blanket laws banning photography on farms (in order to silence whistleblowers) is appalling. But not surprising.
If you want to understand our dairy industry, maybe start with the farmers at: http://www.dairyfarmers.ca
I think it quite likely that noone here wants any other distractions while the TPP negotiations are ongoing. The stability of our entire industry is at stake.
Please, we really don’t need your hyperbole when it comes to managing our dairy industry, as it supplies high quality, affordable and safe dairy products for 36 million Canadians. Thanks.
John
There’s an old saying, “I know the truth….don’t bother me with the facts.” I think we’ll find that adage increasingly applicable as ever more people discover that raw milk can be produced and consumed safely. Those who have long argued that raw milk is inherently unsafe won’t want to admit the errors of their thinking, and so will grasp at straws to continue their argument, much like the officials in Canada saying there are no peer reviewed studies saying raw milk is safe. What that means, Mark, is that even when you come up with the studies, there will be other excuses–the studies didn’t include enough subjects or weren’t conducted long enough, etc. Be prepared.
Another trend I’m seeing, which is very encouraging, is an ever-improving mindset around raw milk quality and safety, by both the non-retail small farmers and the consumers (retail raw milk, namely OPDC, has led the way here, and small producers on the West Coast have greatly benefited from the standards and practices put forth by the big guys.) I am witnessing new discussions amoung small herd raw milk farmers that focus on safety. Where five years ago the conversation would more likely have been around rights, herdshare contracts, and avoiding raids, today I find myself talking much more about responsible risk reduction through the nuts and bolts of understanding and managing pathogen risks. I am sending milk testing kits to farmers who had never considered coliform testing 5 years ago, and I regularly talk to micro-farmers about how to set up on-farm testing. There is energy towards self-regulation, sharing of information, and standards-setting among producers, and its a culture shift that’s time has come.
Sally Fallon is the latest farm to be RAWMI listed, and that is a great statement by the founder of WAPF about the value of risk reduction. I’m also witnessing discussion among raw milk consumers that reflect a new awareness of responsible raw milk consumption. Consumers are becoming more savvy in what they look for in a raw milk farmer and they are making safety a criteria for choosing a farmer, along with grass-feeding, non-gmos, etc. I see this in online discussions on WAPF Facebook pages, natural mothering and nutrition blogs, etc.
Susanne Stover is a great example of this trend, and I’ve also had the priviledge of interacting with her as they have build their small farm business. She has a fantastic mindset, and has been a relentless self-educator on how to produce this nutrient rich living food without compromising safety. Her customers are so fortunate to have a farm like hers in their community, and I look forwarding to seeing her RAWMI listed soon.
So to answer the question about whether there is more or less raw milk around ….I think there there seems to be BETTER raw milk available, both here in CA and in my neighboring Oregon.
From the Dairy Farmers of Canada website you provided a link to, the article entitled, The Milkle-Down Effect Delivers Benefits across Canada, there is no argument from me with respect to the historical contribution Canadian dairy farms played to building vibrant communities across the country. If only that were still the case?!
The Canadian milk marketing board system unfortunately, has strayed away from its original mandate in support of localized small family run dairy farms and has subsequently undermined the above contribution traditionally made towards viable and vibrant communities.
In the province of Ontario where I reside and produced milk the Milk Marketing Board kowtowed to politically motivated cheap food policies and industry pressure by failing to uphold milk pricing formula criteria and policies designed to protect and nurture localized dairy processing and small family run dairy farms. Hence the reason why local milk processing plants have all but disappeared and there is only a handful of dairy farms left in rural communities such as mine across the province.
If a grass roots in-depth honest analysis of the dairy industry across Canada were to be done, it would clearly demonstrate an industry in disarray and decline in rural communities which in effect has a direct negative effect on the vitality of those communities.
It appears that you are from Canada. I had the great privilege of being invited to tour Canada last summer by the BC Cow Share Group. I spoke in BC, appeared on radio and tv shows, spoke at two universities, discussed safety with university researchers and then spent time with Mike Schmidt and others in Ontario in the east. My only interest in Canada is to help the consumers in Canada to access low risk raw milk. Little of my effort focuses on commercial Canadian Dairymen. At several of my presentations, commercial dairymen attended and we had great discussions. They had no problem with raw milk…none. In fact most drank their own raw milk!! However, they all said….the Canadian dairy system is a model to financially protect markets from competition and market intrusion and artificially limits and controls milk supply!! Raw milk is a market threat. Simple as that. When the official quota for right to sell milk in Canada is worth about $49,000 per cow….there is one hell of a lot to protect. Raw milk bypasses the official Canadian milk pool structure and feeds consumers directly…this is the real threat. Safety is the surrogate excuse!!
So I am sorry that you feel that my invited volunteer efforts in Canada have been intrusive or unwelcome. To the contrary I felt very welcomed by every one in Canada including health ministers that deeply appreciated what I had to share about raw milk production systems under real conditions in California. I even met with top leadership of the dairy marketing management. Everyone was super nice and deeply interested.
The bottom line is this. Canada is basically a pseudo- democratic country that is run quite differently than the USA. It is largely a dictatorship run by those in power. The appeals process is weak and industry interest & money politics appears to run the show. Canadian Government is a great mother hen than runs everyone’s lives and is protective of everyone…even when that protection is not wanted.
As to Shawnas comment. There is an ongoing discussion with in our marketing department at OPDC about whether teaching others the secret sauce of safe raw milk is good or just creating more competition. I make the case that producers that ” teach raw milk to sell raw milk” build markets. This is self evident at BerryVale Market in Mt. Shasta CA. Shawna has done a great job of creating more demand for raw milk than she can supply…hence, the OPDC product demand increased 35% in 2014 alone at BerryVale. Thank you Shawna.
I see two types of raw milk producers..” There are teachers and there are leechers “. Those that simply come in to make a buck and never invest in quality and never teach to build markets are leechers. Those that invest in safety, teach about health and immune systems are market builders. If we intend to create a new track record of excellence for raw milk…then we better all be teachers and market builders that work hard to support one another. A rising tide floats all boats!!
I got blasted for saying these same words four years ago. I was labeled a self appointed market police officer that was out to dictate, the only way forward….obviously, Rawmi did not become the market dictator. i see a tide turning. It is turning quite naturally by itself,because “safety does come before freedom”. It is clear that when a product is safe…then freedom comes much easier. If a product is unsafe…then freedom is nearly impossible and raids will never stop. Health regulators regulate by exception. If there are no problems….then there are no visits. You have problems….you get visits. Simple math!
The truth of this theory is self evident. RAWMI has only 9 farmers Listed…yet its influence on the broader raw milk landscape has been massive. High standards, testing, listed RAWMI members available to mentor….these things have changed the expectations far and wide. I would have forecasted many more Listed farmers by this time. But Listing is not easy. It stretches the brain, requires investment, time and commitment. Instead…we see many farmers using RAWMI standards and testing outside of the RAWMI community. Although we would like to see these farmers Listed, change has still occurred outside of Listing for the better. The raw milk landscape has changed and raw milk is safer, lower risk & better for it. That was the RAWMI goal…and this has happened.
The American and Canadian Political systems have their differences. As to whether or not one is any more pseudo then the other is debatable and up for grabs.
I have a probable question for you.
Currently there is a strong demand for raw milk and I am curious as to what the market strategy is among raw milk producers in the US, in the event that raw milk production exceeds demand?
Ds previous link to an article touched on what could happen if farmers as a whole (NATIONAL MILK PRODUCERS FEDERATION) attempted to tackle overproduction in an effort to maintain income.
safe dairy products, you say? Obviously you are not familiar with the scientific literature which proves that “homo milk” is THE cause of diabetes. Perhaps you can point us to studies showing Milk Protein Concentrate has ever been tested for its affects on the human metabolism. MPC you know . the stuff they get from 3rd world countries, to fill Canada’s fluid milk, after its been stripped of valuable fats?
But I want to add that my theory for the reason local retail sales have increased simultaneously with the addition of a local raw milk farm is likely not because our farm cannot keep up with demand, but because we increase awareness that retail raw milk is an option. The farm members that we serve, by and large, are a small niche. They are people who not only value raw milk, but also hold a high value for local food. They come looking for that farm-direct experience. These are the people who would prefer to buy all their food within a 50 mile radius, if possible, so given the choice of milk from a nearby farm or milk from Fresno, they’ll choose local.
Sometimes (even often) though, people come to our farm who are “just seeking raw milk”, and aren’t necessarily about local. Our experience is that without that added value placed on local farming, they don’t usually stick with us long. I’ve learned that a good way to tell the difference is to simply make sure they know that they can purchase raw milk 1 mile away at the grocery store. They don’t have to go through the process of becoming a herdshare co-producer, taking a farm tour, making a financial commitment, etc. I find that people are either excited about the farm membership process, or find if a hassle. If they find it a hassle, then we encourage them to become a new OPDC customer.
The wide majority of people still procure most of their food at the grocery store, and for many, the convenience of adding raw milk to their cart is hard to beat. However, I continue to be surprised at how many don’t realize they can do this. I’ve wondered if the media around raw milk crackdowns and raids, like the movie Farmaggedon, has actually been a negative for states where retail raw milk is legal. When people hold the idea that it is universally illegal, they just don’t think to look for it in the dairy case.
So we educate not only about raw milk safety and benefits, but also access and choice. We want people to understand their options and make their food choices based on what works best for their needs and values, whether that means retail raw milk or farm-direct. At the end of the day, its better for the customer and better for us.
I appreciate your question about “over production of raw milk”.
The current system of pasteurized milk production operates under the concept of the farmer being completely disconnected from the market place and the consumer. The current structure of raw milk production is so difficult that no CAFO operating ( organic or conventional ) has any desire to become a raw milk producer. How do I know this? Last year my son sent out 83 letters inviting certified organic producers to join the raw milk markets. The feed back was a non starter. Three calls came back with only one half serious inquiry. OPDC visited that one interested organic dairy. When that operator found out that: touring of consumers, detail management of safety systems, increased insurance was required when they had none, branding would happen, that they would become exposed to media and social networks….the producer rejected the offer. The rejection was profound. He said…” i have no interest in becoming a public person and touring consumers on my property…no interest at all”…” I like to hunt and fish and take time off and it would take a whole team of new employees. I do not want to manage all of that and be responsible for so much at any price”. That’s a near quote.
It takes a special person and team of people to do raw milk. You see this DNA at the Family Cow, OPDC, and all of the RAWMI Listed Dairies. A raw milk producer is an educator and takes on huge responsibilities and welcomes consumer interaction. These qualities are foreign to nearly all dairies that participate in the current CAFO get big model. I will say that there are some conventional dairies that have made the conversion. These operations do show this ” people element ” value in their new branded existence. Rosa Brothers, Top of the Morn, Dairy Godess ( all CA producers that broke from the conventional model ) have welcomed visitors, become branded, invite social media etc…this is rare and this is Tough. None of these operations are raw. However, each of them have fairly successfully broken away from commodity pricing and add value in their own ways. Each lead teams and embrace consumers. As a member of the board at California Dairy Campain, I hear first hand the resistance of dairymen to become branded and break from the herd. Most all simply depart from the herd and plant almonds or something else. They do not have the money, the interest, the team, or desire to create such an extensive operation that manages things that range from the dairy to the consumer. That s a huge endeavor and it takes wearing many hats. Hats they have never worn and would rather not wear.
So…I doubt that raw milk over production will happen any time soon. Especially, if we have “Teachers and Not Leechers coming into the raw milk market place”. Any raw milk producer that is dedicated to super high quality, high levels of safety, and teaching about raw milk to new consumers…will strengthen and expand markets and not threaten them.
That’s my take and it comes from a deep understanding of raw milk history and the people skills ( and other requirements ) required to function effectively in this market place. Wisconsin has only 10,000 dairies left down from 12,000 a couple of years ago. CA dairy numbers continue to drop. Why don’t CA dairies become organic or raw. They simply do not. They leave instead. That’s the reality. I could expound all day long about additional restraints that inhibit raw milk production. It is simply a very difficult process made very hard by regulation and jealous dairy regulatory requirements. That’s reality and that is also not going to change anytime soon. Insurance is also a massive hurdle among many others….I could go on and on. Being threatened by litigation prone liability lawyers and not feeling the love from the FDA certainly scares away producers for sure. But…there are brave souls that do venture out and try to serve consumers with exceptionally high quality raw milk and for them the rewards are well earned and tremendous. These are the tesching market builders. Bless them!!
Thank you for this thoughtful reply, Notice that I referred only to your ‘hyperbole’ as being unrequired. I’d like to comment on your role as ‘teacher’, however.
As a reader of TCP, I see many of your comments that are very informative and forward-looking about a variety of raw milk issues. Great. Then there are others that are clearly advocating raw milk consumption (and in some cases, in my mind, are over the top/ a major stretch or plain misleading). I’m less keen on these (from a teacher?); but completely understand these in light of your business interests. Finally, as in your first comment in this thread, there are those which insult others with opposing views (to wit our Health Ministers and the integrity of University staff).
My advice, if you really want to be respected as a teacher……stick to the facts, temper the advocacy and stop insulting people who you don’t know (just because they have a different opinion).
In case you need an example. Take your last 2 sentences. You write as though what happens at OPDC/RAWMI operations (around 1-2000 milk cows?) applies to all USA raw milk. This is clearly not possible (with people across the USA still becoming ill from raw milk on an almost monthly basis, the latest in Indiana I believe). RAWMI is but a corner of this landscape.
So yes, you have a message and influence; but the distorted perspective and hyperbole undermine both (at least for me).
You might wonder why someone like myself (who can see no reason why milk should not be pasteurized) should offer such advice. Two reasons. One, I believe in the power of education. Second. With raw milk sales legal in California, anything you do to make this a better product for Californians has be a good thing. Kudos for progress on the latter.
John
John, you are ignoring the very simple key point of HAVING A CHOICE.
You can buy raw milk and boil it if it makes you feel safer, but you cAN’T BUY PASTEURIZED MILK AND UNBOIL IT. What part of that can’t you understand?
Here’s some more hyperbole.
Why is it that pasteurized milk is ranked as #1 Most Allergenic Food in America? Could it possible be the pasteurization process? This is why a safe low risk raw milk choice is critical. All of the consumer data and EU studies show that raw milk actually reduces allergenies and effectively prevents or dramatically reduces asthma, when Common doctors all across America tell their patients to not consume dairy ( pasteurized )if they have allergies. The recent LMU study by Dr. Erica Von Mutuis made the claim that raw milk consumption reduced colds in kids by at least 1/3. That is huge!! That is also peer reviewed and published data.
Lactose intolerance has been widely associated with processed milk and rarely associated with raw milk!!
Pasteurized dairy products have killed at least 80 by my count since 1972, including 9 since 2007. Zero deaths from any US fluid raw milk since 1972.
Cornell University Dr. Nicole Martin, with funding from dairy industry, took our breath away when she and her associates made the research claim to expect an a massive increase in deaths from 18 per year to 670 per year ( from pasteurized dairy products ) all because of high temp pasteurization and listeria.
If this is over the top hyperbole, then education and exposure to facts is hyperbole. Label it as anything you like. I call it cold hard facts. You call it hyperbole. You are entitled to your first amendment rights. The Canadians are also entitled to choice in food. That means to not be forced to a choice between non digestible, highly allergenic food and a un processed form of that same food that is easy to digest, non allergenic, profoundly good for the immune system and so much more.
If education is hyperbole….lets take hyperbole to the next level and do one hell of a lot more of it.
Interesting point about raw milk illnesses in Indiana, where there are no standards, no testing, no inspections. Indiana caused these illnesses as a direct result of intentional consumer and farmer neglect. When black market is all you got….who knows what you got. Indiana prays that there will be illnesses so they can bash raw milk all the more. A more responsible position would be to acknowledge consumer demand and respond by providing training, standards, inspections and or other ancillary structures and systems to produce high quality raw milk to nourish those that want it.
Lets face this for what it is….this is a frickin war over food. Processors can not provide the food consumers demand and they refuse to let farmers produce what consumers demand. Processors and the FDA are one in the same ( NCIMS ). This is a war on farmers waged by processors( that love cheap raw milk and a desparate farmer ) with farmers and consumers being tortured in the cross fire.
Hyperbole…love that word and proud to be a teacher. Just spreading the word, feeding delighted families and sharing the facts.
By the way….Mr. John, love wrestling with you. It brings out the best in this discussion.
. the Berlin Wall was there for about a generation = THE iconic manifestation of rigidification brought on by the emotional plague. The Wall came down overnight, and the centrally-directed command economy – of which the Milk Marketing scheme is an aspect – is crumbling as I write, outflanked by technology. Apologists for communism, parroting the Central Party Line cannot stop it.
. both of Canada’s national newspapers, organs for the federal parties, call for the end of the quota system. Behind closed doors of negotiations re the TransPacific Trade treaty, and the new free-trade deal with European E Community, the dairy / egg and poultry monopolies are being phased-out. Of course the little serfs hand cuffed to their loans to the bank-sters, will be the last to know. Mister John’s job is to keep them stupefied + trusting Big Daddy Govt. ’til the ink on the paperwork is dry, then the predators ( corporate carpet-baggers) take over the bankrupted farms. How do you like “global-ism”, so far?
from over 15 years’ on the cutting edge of this issue, I know that the most powerful way to educate someone about REAL MILK, is to put a glass of it in their hand. For which I was sentenced to 3 months in prison, by Randal Wong, J. voicing the same ignorant condesencion, as you do, MrJOHN.
which allows me to boast = “you can’t insult me, I’ve been insulted by Her Majesty’s judges!”
Part of Judge Wong’s rationale for that sentence was = because I’d gone out in the community, and convened a “Raw milk information night”, providing people the facts, in the face of govt. lies. Yet guys like you continue to pretend ‘we live in a free country”.
.For comic relief : just this week in British Columbia, the govt, is in major trouble as an insider went public, tattling that he was directed to destroy records in email for, to do with politically-sensitive Freedom of Information requests. Which is directly on-point of the Judicial Review brought on by the provincial Minister of Health, concerning my FoI re : “raw milk”. Point being: the BC govt. has been caught destroying records which proved they knew I was right all along as to the legality of what we were doing with our private enterprise cowshares. That’s called “conspiring to obstruct Justice”. Perhaps you’re on their payroll, too, as an apologist, MrJohn?
daily, we prove REAL MILK can be produced safely. In fact ; milk coming out of the little artisanal dairies in BC, is testing cleaner than “homo milk” on the retail store shelves. Yet over-educated idiots whose paycheques depend on parroting = DENY DENY DENY = refuse to acknowledge change. The definition of “bigot”, is : someone who refuse to change his position, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Please point out to me any statements that I have made that are misleading. I need to know which ones they are. Also….amen to Gordon. You go get um!!
…consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough.
I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because youre being had.
Lets be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.
There is no such thing as consensus science. If its consensus, it isnt science. If its science, it isnt consensus. Period.
http://ymlp.com/zR6Ti5
The use and abuse of consensus science is without a question, partially responsible for the current crisis in the scientific and medical peer review system. Now, although considered one of the sacred pillars of the scientific edifice is it any wonder that some believe that the current peer review system is a non-validated charade that is increasingly lacking in credibility?
Brilliant and very very thought provoking. Thank you for saying this.
So true…so true!! Politics is not science….science is science and it breaks with politics!!
I would imagine there are some scientists for whom the politics, the funding, and the research goals are all in synch. I’m just not sure who they are.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/03/pharmaceutical-drugs-sewage.aspx?e_cid=20150603Z1_DNL_art_3&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art3&utm_campaign=20150603Z1&et_cid=DM76196&et_rid=979244526
Microbes are industrious critters, and anyone who thinks they can gain the upper hand on them using current reductionistic approaches are living in a dream world.
Indeed, if only it were as easy as reducing their presence in food and water. We have nurtured a real dilemma for ourselves.
The riddle being, how can a “highly infectious” disease have been completely “eradicated” from Nature by vaccination when only a percent of humanity was ever vaccinated against it?
http://www.alternet.org/activism/monsanto-gmos-defeated-oregon-organic-farmers-federal-judge-upholds-seed-ban
http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/June-2015/california-fast-tracking-forced-vaccination-bill.aspx
The answer to your question is readily available to anyone who wishes to honesty explore with an open mind, the history of illness and disease. Unfortunately the question and answer is ignored and considered irrelevant in the overinflated brains of the self-righteous and self-serving elite.
The belief that the smallpox vaccine eradicated smallpox, a nutritional and hygiene related disorder is BS. The role of the variola virus to smallpox was incidental. The incidence of smallpox declined equally if not more so in non-vaccinated populations. Read JT Biggs book about the Leicester method. The town Leicester proved conclusively the fallacy and dangers of vaccination. A more recent book written by Dr. Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianuk entitled Dissolving Illusions also discusses the Leicester method in its excellent analogy of the history of disease and vaccines.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277
Ken, the thing is, they are now claiming the variola virus is nowhere to be found. Zero. Yet there are tons of places on earth today with malnutrition. So where did it go?
Answer: It was created by injecting cowpox into humans. Humans don’t get cowpox normally, but if some psycho injects it into you (vaccination) then it can manifest. When they stopped smallpox “vaccination” worldwide, then variola virus type smallpox, classic smallpox as defined today, disappeared. THAT is how it was “eradicated”. They stopped creating it.
It’s true that “smallpox” epidemics followed vaccination programs, in England, Germany, Italy, Phillipines, …
There are other health conditions that lead to “small” “pox”, such as arsenic poisoning in drinking water, … and chicken pox, which is natural to humans, that are part of the history of the real story. But the modern form of “smallpox” was created by vaccination.
And to add insult to injury, they use this “eradication” as a selling point to pump more dope into the children.
There’s the mystery of why “tuberculosis” disappeared. Now when going thru the info various vaccination whistleblowers have provided, I found the idea that tuberculosis, which was also called consumption, followed smallpox vaccination like night and day.
Now in Weston Price’s classic study of cultures around the world in the 1930s, tuberculosis is running rampant in cities and among “modernized” people, but the whole food eating peoples were basically immune to it. I quoted that one passage with the surgeon in Alaska who recommended to the Indian and Eskimo tuberculosis victims that they return to their primitive diet and conditions and a “great majority” recovered from it, but if they kept the modern diet they usually died.
Anyway so I’ve been wondering, is modern tuberculosis a created disease caused by the smallpox vaccine? I assume historically there were other conditions called “consumption” before modern tuberculosis.
So I remembered the story of Ishi, that wild Indian who came out of the wild in the early 1900s when all of his tribe had died off, and he lived in a museum in California. He developed a real liking to refined sugar, eating tons of donuts, … and after a few years, he died of tuberculosis. So I thought, well maybe that disproves the smallpox vaccine being the cause of tuberculosis idea, since Ishi was never vaccinated. Or was he? I just did a search and found this:
“…About this time Ishi was successfully vaccinated and passed through the inoculation without trouble of any sort…”
and then a bit later in this book, on the same page, they talk about how Ishi was very healthy, but then, ” he had had several respiratory infections, but up to this time he showed negative tuberculine reactions and there was no premonition of the illness that later caused his death.”
from “Ishi, The Last Yahi: A Documented History” by Robert Fleming Heiser, page 234
Insurance companies and big pharma are killing us. They are driven by greed and no longer by individual outcomes or healing. The same goes for mandatory vaccinations. No longer does the individual matter. Insurance & Pharma drives the physicians brain and so goes our nations medical policies. Doctors have become robots. Unthinking and conforming before their drug gods. Dr. Pan is the chief of the robots. Unthinking….ignorant and following protocols as directed by pharma and fake science that is bought with grant funds at universities. Enough to make us sick…and it does.
Time to opt out of illness. Why do I pick on Dr. Pan? He is one of ours and he works at UC Davis. That same school has some if the best minds in the medical world. They refuse to conform and are marginalized for doing so. Dr. Pan follows in lock step. Never thinking anything other than the protocols he has been regimented to follow or else. No balls…no brains…no gut. No heart. All puppet and perhaps far worse. Sadly….if he reads these words he would not get the point at all. He would simply play me for a crazy fool. He would not think to read the Human Genome studies or connect the dots and discover why kids get sick? He would instead relieve their symptoms with a drug protocol or give them another vaccination further toxifiying their precious little bodies. I have lost all faith an respect for doctors that fail to think. Fail to love and fail to care. These words come from a lowly retired paramedic that spent half his life rescuing patients from the clutch of doctors at their offices when they screwed up trying to kill them while ” practicing medicine and doing so much harm”.
The idea that us Californians will now be forced to vaccinate our kids challenges the true nerve of parents that think, investigate and love. Reminds me of Mike Badnaricks statement when he ran for president years ago. When asked about mandatory vaccinations he said this” you bring your needle and I will bring my 45 and we will see which one makes a bigger hole….?” I am a non violent kind of guy….but what could be more violent than a forced traumatic injury into your otherwise healthy child.
Things have gotten out of hand and freedom is slipping away. Slipping away through robotic ignorance and a consensus of the ignorant that run our State. I have met so few smart elected representatives…so few. They follow the popular trends and just want to be elected. There are far better ways to build immunity….try nutrition and nourishing the gut!! That’s what the science says. But….it does not sell drugs or liability exempt vaccinations….the biggest money scam of all time!!
Yes…I am pissed off about SB277.
I don’t have children at home anymore. My kids are grown and have their own kids now, but I’m pissed about this, as well. I have grandchildren, and because whatever happens in one State, not just in CA, happens in ALL States, eventually, because that’s how the system is designed – and not by accident. Between the medical/insurance propagandists and the school systems alone, people are facing odds we cannot beat with common sense. Once you toss in a politician or a legal shyster, well, let’s just say we know where everything goes from there. They keep telling us we don’t see what we see because they are the great deceivers. I think they actually get to a point where they believe their own propaganda.
My motto? The opposite of skeptical is gullible.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-doctors-quit-chapter-2/2015/06/04/1b2de91c-0ade-11e5-9e39-0db921c47b93_story.html
Another raw milk outbreak involving Claravale.
I need this guy to be seen for what he was, as in the best dog ever. Pic coming up soon as I can figure it out
You, Marler and the California Department of Public Healths incessant focus on the microbe is unavailing.
The following article describes what in essence, is the root of the problem.
Now, if tptb would redirect their effort into resolving this toxic chemical overload issue that humans are faced with every day from before they are born to the day they die, rather then chasing down an illusory pathogen, i.e. a naturally occurring ubiquitous microbe that is merely responding to our arrogant folly, then they would undoubtedly achieve a far greater and fundamental success in preventing these so-called food born illnesses. So what does the CDPH and the California government attempting to do add to this toxic overload via the implementation of SB 277!!!
ITS SHAMEFULL!!!!
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/06/chemical-exposure.aspx?e_cid=20150606Z1_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20150606Z1&et_cid=DM76274&et_rid=982877118
Unfortunately, he also parrots some establishment propaganda:
“Children are entering puberty at younger and younger ages. In 2010, the average age of the onset of puberty was 10.5 years for girls six years younger than in 1860, when it was 16.6 years, and hormone-disrupting chemicals are likely the cause.”
The part I take exception to there is the claim that in 1860 the onset of puberty was at age 16.6 years. This fiction is widely circulated on the internet. A little common sense shows us it’s a hoax.
Ancient coming of age traditions from around the world are based on the age of 12, not 16. For example the Jewish bat mitzvah. I know traditional Natives who live in the Everglades and their age of when adulthood begins fits with this. I’ve read accounts of South American rainforest Indians and remember clearly one passage, where the anthropologist recounts where a young Native lady “of around 12” comes into his hut and engages in a night of lovemaking with a young Indian man sharing the hut. When I was 12, I remember clearly my body had changed and childhood was over. If you look up age-of-consent laws from even 100 years ago around the world, they were around age 12.
Now if girls really are going into puberty today at age 10.5, 1 1/2 years earlier than normal, that certainly is disturbing. But let’s not fall for other establishment assaults on our species. The reason they’ve come up with this make believe age of adulthood at 18 today is to have all kinds of new ways to violate us and crush the individual. By age 13 with the Seminoles in the Everglades, you have your own cabin, you’ve taken your place with the other adults, your own space… This is the last thing the establishment wants. Big Brother wants to continue crushing the person, denying their sexuality, denying their inner guidance, denying their own decision-making. I think of young adults today, having to hang out at shopping malls to find any space of their own. It’s truly disgusting.
If you look at little kids, age 2 3 4, how incredibly smart they are, how purposeful they are, … and then watch as they are forced into those prisons called schools, where Big Brother tells them when to talk, punishes them if they think for themselves, rewards them if they let Big Brother control their mind… it is really grotesque. Kids become warped, devious, … and learning slows way down. The natural way to learn is based on when you have a need, an interest, when your inner guidance directs you to what you need. Being in tune with our inner guidance is the key to everything. And Big Brother’s program is diametrically opposed to this. They want a robot that they control. And we see this all around.
I could write for hours here, but most people really can’t see what’s right in front of them. There are sooo many things they are lying to you about related to what I’ve written here. But start with the real age of adulthood. People’s development is disturbed today, by the overwhelming assault on the individual by Big Brother. I see much older people who have no basic common sense because of this. But it doesn’t have to be this way. We can support the individual instead of going along with the crushing of the individual.
http://www.norfolkwrenthamnews.com/content/healthy-pet-store-remains-open-under-new-ownership-norfolk
http://www.mnn.com/family/pets/stories/a-walk-isnt-just-a-walk-to-your-dog
Example: The school system teaches the child that his thoughts, feelings, impulses are to be ignored. If he lets Big Brother direct his mind and actions, he gets a gold star. If he ignores Big Brother and acts on his feelings/inner guidance, he’s told he’s a bad boy.
Big Brother teaches that the whole Universe is a random accident just like your thoughts/feelings.
Big Brother religions teach that there is a Creator but it might throw you in an eternal hell for being healthy.
They want the child cut off from the inner wisdom. They want a robot they can control. Their program is diametrically opposed to the interest of the individual and the Universe. Ok class, that’s all for now.
I am hoping this email link works. It is the current SPLASH News letter from our friends at UC Davis at the International Milk Genomics Consortium.
remember….this was the data and the research that the FDA reprimanded them about publishing to the public. The FDA considered this information “to hot for public digestion and disruptive”. My words.
The information is really amazing and needs to get out! This kind of data drives our raw milk rationale and basis for why raw milk is so critical to the developmental health of next generations.