Baseball has long been Americas national pastime. As baseball has declined in popularity, football was poised to replace it. But the violence that seems to enshroud football has made the transition difficult. No worries. Weve got a new national pastime, and it is fear mongering.
The media frenzy over Ebola is the latest case in point. The media keep reporting the U.S. Centers for Disease Control saying its nothing to worry about. Yet the media cant stop obsessing on how worrisome the single U.S. case is. Putting guys in hazmat suits on board airliners is presumably meant as a calming device.
In typical U.S. fashion, its all become a sports event. One of the media doctors they put on the national news proclaimed a few days ago: Well win this. Ebola hasnt yet come up against modern medicine. Right, well win this one for the Gipper.
The politicians, of course, cant resist getting in on the act. According to todays New York Times, pundits and politicians play scientists speculating on whether Ebola will mutate into an airborne virus that kills millions. (Its all apparently part of a Republican political campaign completely committed to fear mongering, and the second guessing that is an inherent part of fear mongering .If only the health care workers had identified the Ebola victims symptoms sooner, if only Obama had gone after ISIS sooner, etc., etc.)
There is one health scare that seems genuinely worrisomethe Enterovirus D68. It is apparently the same type of virus as the one that caused widespread polio outbreaks during the first half of last century. This latest version is apparently causing polio-like symptoms in some children. Didnt we wipe out polio half a century ago?
Here is what one medical web site says: Enterovirus D68 infection with severe respiratory complications/symptoms is very rare, generally occurring in children with compromised immune systems, asthma or respiratory conditions. Paralysis in cases of enterovirus D68 is even rarer. As the number of cases increase, the number of patients with rare symptoms will also increase as we are seeing here with such a widespread swath of infection. As of October 2nd there were 514 confirmed cases spread across 43 states.
The focus in all these situations becomes how to come up with a vaccine, or call your doctor, who has no solutions. I saw where WebMD suggested that parents of children inclined toward asthma work with their doctors to develop an “active asthma plan.” Hmmm, that sounds reassuring. .
But shouldn’t the more immediate question be something about how we encourage parents to help their kids strengthen their immune systems? Not that this is a magical answer, but it is a way to potentially reduce the risk around the Enterovirus concerns.
There are any number of other things that parents can do to help their kids. The folks at Nourishing Ourselves web site put together a list of 14 suggestions.
Certainly one of the more obvious suggestions is to consider feeding raw milk to children who are inclined toward asthma. We have very good evidence that raw milk provides a protective effect for children who drink it regularly.
Other suggestions: Consume lots of bone broth, pasture-raised eggs, healthy oils and fats, and fermented foods like sauerkraut and kefir. If there are shortfalls, consider adding probiotics and enzymes.
All good suggestions, and all things youll never hear about from the CDC or most conventional medical practitioners.
We all know fear sells. Didn’t Hitler say something about fear and controlling people?
Don’t you know you should utter Enterovirus and polio in the same breath?
Enterovirus D68- coincides with the invasion from south of the border. For some strange reason many people seem to be of the opinion that they are all held in camps on the border, I don’t know why they think that. These people have been shipped all over the US. It is endemic in Central and South America. The US gov was well aware of this, and for those who require “studies” it is supported by a medical study conducted in 2013 at a U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit in Lima, Peru. The study, published in Virology Journal, Human rhinoviruses and enteroviruses in influenza-like illness in Latin America. http://www.virologyj.com/content/10/1/305
Enteroviruses are quite resilient, they remain viable at room temperature and have an incubation period of 3-10 days and can survive the acidic pH of the human GI tract.
I’ve taken care of many patients that were on various kinds of isolation. Not once did I ever don a Haz Mat suit. We never reused any isolation garb. Per the cdc it supposedly is not airborne, my question is, Why then do they wear the Haz Mat suits? As for the doctors and other healthcare providers, how did they get it? They are trained in the donning and removing isolation garb. Were they reusing it?
As for the first two people who had it and were shipped to Atlanta, I believe I read that they both received blood transfusions from a natural survival of ebola while still in Africa, plus they received the zmapp (sp) drug. So they really don’t know which worked to resolve the ebola they had. Keep in mind that the few others that received the zmapp drug alone-died. The blood for the transfusions would have had natural antibodies in it. I believe the doctor that had it in Atlanta offered to have his blood transfused to the Nigerian in Dallas. Sadly their blood did not match so that was not doable.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/ebola-outbreak-survivor-william-pooley-flown-to-us-to-give-doctor-with-virus-emergency-blood-transfusion-9737888.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/25/us-health-ebola-liberia-idUSKBN0GP10A20140825
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long <~~ from the 1990s
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/10/09/crucifying-the-vaccine-heretics-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+vaccinationcouncil+%28International+Medical+Council+on+Vaccination%29
The truth is that the immune system can be described as being made of two parts the humoral part (antibodies) and the cellular part (natural killer cells, etc.) Its the cellular immune system that relies on good nutrition and that in large measure explains why the death rate had improved so dramatically before the advent of the measles vaccine. Vitamins. Good nutrition is no doubt what brought about the 99.9% improvement in mortality.
Unfortunately, to this day vaccine developers and proponents really dont understand exactly how the immune system functions. Worse, they use antibodies to measure immunity when the truth is that antibodies after measles are really just a marker of what happened and cannot be the sole measure of future protection.
As with ebola, only a simple puerile Pavlovian tagline is repeated, by doctors, government officials, and the press.
Ken
I make my own elderberry syrup because it’s much cheaper than buying it. Simpe to do, too. There are SO many things people could do to help themselves, but the fda has feared them into believe THOSE are the dangerous things – but their untested pills and vaccinations are “perfectly safe”.
Uh-huh.
The best overall thing you can do for all-body protection/health benefits is turmeric. I buy the organic spice and make my own capsules. Cheaper and YOU know what you’re getting. The other best thing you can do is get your gut in shape with bone broths and the soups and other things you can make from those broths.
Ken, have you seen the book or any of the vid’s featuring Dr. Suzanne Humphries? She’s awesome.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/10/ebola_in_america_and_other_fake_problems_our_leaders_love_to_fight.html
If you don’t read this, you’ll miss out on a lot of common sense thinking. Up to you, of course.
A timely post considering Ebola and opportunistic respiratory illness.
Nature abhores a vacume…that pertains to weak immune systems as well. During my time in Denmark, every kid I have seen has had a hacky cough and runny nose. No raw milk here!! Back in CA all of my grand kids have strong immunity, no coughs, no runny noses, no ear infections….all of them on raw milk!! Do the math.
Another raw milk pearl that came from the IMGC conference was a study on the allergenicity of all sorts of raw milk and their proteins: Cows, goats, camels and more. Out of all the milks, Camels milk showed nearly no allergies to its proteins. Hats off to Walid and his pioneering endeavor.
As far as dairy outsourcing is concerned, this conversation is a narrow minded foodie elitist crock of $&@$$&$!!’m,. Strauss Dairy does its very best to supply its community with the best organic products possible. A contrary argument to the “outsourcing is a CAFO” argument is that a “collective of smaller organic producers actually avoids the CAFO!!” Strauss would be a CAFO if it selfishly grew its herd and built a CAFO to provide for its own expanding needs and greater production instead of reaching out to other producers for more organic milk.
As Americans demand more and more raw and organic food…your farmers will need to form collectives to join their forces in their efforts to feed you!! Remember this, not all farmers want to ( or can )manage the entire food chain, drive trucks, deliver to stores, argue with regulators over labels. But, if more farmers can connect to farmers through systems that connect them to consumers and provide them with sustainable pricing….so be it. So sick of the bad mouthing of outsourcing, especially when the true source is 100% bragged about, sustainably compensated, acknowledged etc.
For those of you that insist on single source farm direct sales….good for you. For those of you that live in down town LA in the middle of 20 million people, the ability to buy organic raw milk from a store nearby….priceless. All humans must have the right to access safe whole raw foods.
Nutritional access and strong immunity must evolve from marginal elitism to universal nutritional right!!! Your choice in farmer access should be preserved as well.
If I pissed someone off….no shame here. We must embrace all people and stop alienating those that by birth or location simply do not live near a farm.
And it’s got nothing to do with whether or not you “live near a farm”. People in the middle of LA are just as bad off as people who live in the boonies – neither has a decent source for food unless they actually seek it out, look things over and make the decision to buy from that source. I assure you, the farmers markets in California have a LOT more to choose from than our dinky little farmers markets here – which, incidently, run from late May (sometimes, this year and last year it was mid-June) until possibly the first week in October if we’re lucky. For people who don’t garden on their own, that’s a pretty short time to buy, and you can only purchase what’s in season at that time. That’s why a lot of people put up foods (survivalist style I guess some call it). If you don’t put it up or eat it immediately, it’s ruined in a matter of days and you don’t go back down and buy more because there isn’t any more. You just aren’t getting this whole “not every place has year-round weather like California” thing are you, Mark?
If you have your name on a product, like milk, then I expect all the milk you sell to come from YOUR farm, unless you say on the BOTTLE otherwise. If you are outsourcing and NOT informing your consumers, then yes, you are no different than the cafos who have co-mingled milk. If I am paying top dollar for a particular product, that I am led to believe it is from a single source and find out it is not solely from that producer, then I am not only disappointed, I am outraged that they misrepresented and/or out right lied about themselves.
The simple thing when outsourcing. LABEL IT for all to see. Otherwise it ismisrepresenting to the consumer.
Is this true?
“The vaccination programs are irrelevant to the decline of polio, while pesticides correlate perfectly with polio. The unfunded, ostracized theory of poison causality far exceeds all other theories in simplicity, exactitude, and directness regarding correlations within all data areas: dosage, physiology, etiology, epidemiology, economics, and politics.”–Jim West
That quote is from this website: http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm
There are a variety of sources there with overlapping and sometimes conflicting views, but all saying that DDT and other poisons were the main cause of “polio”, and still are in “developing countries”. “Polio” was then redefined following the introduction of toxic vaccines, in such a way as to create the illusion that it had disappeared.
The video there is of a medical doctor, who apparently is saying there is a virus related to polio, but it only comes into play after you’ve been poisoned with DDT, etc. She talks about the importance of breast milk for colonizing the gut, and other things.
In the sea of disinformation that we live, everyone is their own doctor whether they want to be or not. Happy sleuthing.
I agree with you. If a dairy product or any food comes from more than one farm it should clearly indicate the actual source and provide a link to that source.
Brands tend to be very selfish and hoard value added recognition and rely upon consolidation to expand that capital instead of sharing it with those that work hard in the dirt for the actual value. It is also important to recognize that brand management is a very highly valued part if any product and farmers that sell under or inside of a brand need to recognize the years of hard work and reputation that created the trust in the brand. Brands are made over long periods of time and can be ruined in a day. Brand development, creation, education, protection etc…is a rare skill. So easy to bash…so hard to build.
It is true, they did “redefine” polio. As far as I can tell, it was done to give the allusion that the vaccine for polio was working. After all, it was no longer called polio, it was meningitis (or something else). With the polio virus, the majority 95% who did get it had just flu like symptoms and then they were back to their normal self. Those that did have the paralysis usually recovered and very few had lasting effects and yes, there were some deaths. Also, keep in mind that healthcare wasn’t as sophisticated as it is now, and that can be both good and bad. Of those who did have breathing problems, the knowledge of the times were very limited. Even diagnosing was hit or miss- it still is hit or miss today. It is even questionable if FDR had polio, his symptoms lean more towards Gillian Barre Syndrome, not polio. But, if you tell the people it was polio, there would be more sympathy and fear that you could become paralyzed too or die. So you would then run out and protect yourself and your family by getting shots.
Fear mongering to sell the vaccines, that’s what it is. It’s not hard to whip up fear in parents, as most just want to protect their kids. Look at the fear mongering about that HPV shot…. people say- What will you say to your say to your daughter when she gets cervical cancer because you didn’t get her the shots? It’s pure BS. Polio was around long before DDT. No doubt that DDT and other man made toxins only made peoples health worse.
” Paralysis, usually asymmetric, follows. Fewer than 1%-2% of people who contract polio become paralyzed. In most cases of paralytic polio, the patient recovers completely. However, for a certain number of people, paralysis or muscle weakness remains for life.”
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-polio-poliomyelitis <~~from the horses mouth http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14562158
Not everyone has a computer to look on web sites and as DSmith pointed out, only those few will investigate further than just reading the package.
Sadly, many still believe that companies are supposed to put everything on the labels. Some know this not to be true.
“Polio appeared in industrialized countries in the 1900s. It had little or no incidence in developing countries. Polio is linked to a degeneration of the spinal column nerves, by poisoning of several pesticides such as lead arsenic and DDT…”
I’m not sure when lead was first used to poison people, I’ve heard the phrase “mad as a hatter” had to do with the use of lead in making hats and subsequent health issues for the hatters.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/10/10/tell-truth-organic/17034713/
Now add in the 1900s and you have increased exposure to man made chemicals and adulterated foods. Which in turn, further suppresses the immune system. Even into the early 1900s, most doctors really didn’t know all that much about the human body, it was guess work then just as it is now.
Some of the stories my dad has told of the “country doctors” , makes me realize that many are lucky to be alive as what was done to them or given to them had great potential of being lethal. Even the city doctors were no better, my mother almost died as a teenager when her appendix ruptured, they thought it was “female issues” and she was just “hysterical”.
The history of medicine is fascinating. It is amazing that the human race hasn’t kill itself off.
For me this is true. If you were to ask people to define “organic” you would get many varying definitions. To me, it means 100% pesticide/herbicide/fungicide free, zero added hormones, or any other medications/drugs, animals eat what is natural to the species,etc.
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Before we all panic and line up to receive the millions of doses of untested and reportedly highly dangerous Ebola vaccines the major drug-makers are preparing to dump on the market, some peculiarities of this Ebola outbreak in Africa are worth noting.
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Taken from this link and well worth the short time it takes to read: http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-war-on-ebola-or-war-for-oil-sending-3000-troops-to-african-ebola-areas-that-happen-to-export-oil-to-china/5406142
I don’t think colds are caused by viruses. There are people that cite NIH studies that show colds are not contagious. But of course you can find studies saying anything. I haven’t had a cold since I quit smoking over 30 years ago. I used to have one on and off all winter. If you’ve ever seen sunlight coming thru a window, where you see all this dust in the air you don’t normally see, I think that explains most all colds. Think of how many times you inhale in one day. If the air is dirty, especially if it’s dried out such as in winter time from heaters, and your body is not eliminating this debris fast enough, it builds up and colds are extraordinary measures of your system to detox. So your nose clogs up so that area can be cleaned out, etc.
That’s my belief at this time based on personal experience. But I’m open to new info. You should read Inventing the Aids Virus by Peter Duesberg Phd sometime, I think you will find that book quite interesting. Foreward by Kary Mullis, nobel prize winner in biology for inventing the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). He agrees with Duesberg that it’s impossible for HIV to be the cause of AIDS. The original AIDS victims were heavy users of a new type of nitrate drugs (poppers), … the govt started “treating” people with AZT (it turns you into a skeleton), and then it goes from there, renaming old diseases as AIDS if any HIV shows up, and if not then continuing to call them by their old names… We are dealing with some pretty devious people here.
If people wish to buy produce from me then they will have to take my word that it is indeed free from all unnatural toxic substances that I at least have control over. I do not intend to participate in a contrived, hypocritical, fraudulent process
Ken
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/the-ebola-test-let-the-tests-inventor-speak/
“Because, if there is a serious problem with the test, the whole house of cards collapses. The entire narrative about Ebola is fatally flawed.
Last week, when a man was admitted to a hospital in Dallas, the CDC held a press conference. CDC Director Tom Frieden stated that this patient had been diagnosed with Ebolawith a test that is highly accurate. Its a PCR test of blood. (see the 2m06s mark in the video of the press conference.)
This is, indeed, the test of choice for Ebola.
However, as Ive written, the PCR test has problems. It is open to errors. One of those errors occurs right at the beginning of the procedure:
Is the sample taken from the patient actually a virus or a piece of a virus? Or is it just an irrelevant piece of debris?
Another problem is inherent in the method of the PCR itself. The test is based on the amplification of a tiny, tiny speck of genetic material taken from a patientblowing it up millions of times until it can be observed and analyzed.
Researchers who employ the test claim that, as a result of the procedure, they can also infer the quantity of virus that is present in the patient.
This is crucial, because unless a patient has millions and millions of Ebola virus in his body, there is absolutely no reason to think he is sick or will become sick.
So the question is: can the PCR test allow researchers and doctors to say how much virus is in a patients body?
Many years ago, journalist John Lauritsen approached a man named Kary Mullis for an answer.
Source-1: For a brief excerpt from John Lauritsens article about Kary Mullis, see Frontiers in Public Health, 23 September, 2014, Questioning the HIV-AIDS hypothesis: 30 years of dissent, by Patricia Goodson. (See also this.)
Source-2: For Johns 1996 article in full, see Has Provincetown Become Protease Town?
Kary Mullis is thoroughly convinced that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. With regard to the viral-load tests, which attempt to use PCR for counting viruses, Mullis has stated: Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron. PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral-load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.
Kary Mullis is a biochemist. He is also a Nobel Prize winner (1993, Chemistry).
And oh yes, one other thing.
Mullis invented the PCR.
Thats why he won the Nobel Prize.
Mullis answer was succinct: Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron.
Translation: the PCR test cant be used to say how much virus is in a persons body.
Mary, I am not really looking to dredge up old battles, but I must say I find it nearly humorous that you are so forgiving of Strauss (which produces pasteurized milk) and you were unrelenting in your criticism of another California dairy (which produces raw milk) a few years back when it was accused of outsourcing dairy products from another organic dairy (and from which it only produced butter and cream, as I recall, and not fluid milk). Without a statement on the label, there is no way for the average consumer to know that Strauss’ milk is outsourced, regardless of what is buried on its web site.
And Straus is spelled with one “s”.
Their milk is pasteurized. They call it gently pasteurized. Whether they want to call it anything else is fine, but it’s pasteurized – IOW, safe for you and your family, Mary, because it’s a sterilized, dead food. Just what your gut is looking for.
http://strausfamilycreamery.com/field-to-bottle/artisan-dairy-craft
http://strausfamilycreamery.com/products/item/organic-whipping-cream
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“When it comes to organic integrity, Straus Family Creamery sets the bar high. Since we run both an organic dairy and an organic creamery, it gives us the opportunity to control the entire process from field to bottle. In every step of production, we make sure that certified organic standards are implemented.”
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http://strausfamilycreamery.com/field-to-bottle/organic-farm-practices
They admit to using milk from seven other dairy farms, but it doesn’t say so anywhere on the labels I could see, but since my area of the country does not carry their products I’ve not recently seen one of their bottles. Weirdly enough, when we used to be able to buy raw milk from a small local farm hereabouts, I once bought a pint of cream from them (which they only had occasionally for sale) and it was in a Straus cream bottle which used to be glass jars with brown print and a brown cap. I have no idea how old that bottle would be, but nowhere on there did it mention milk/cream coming from anywhere else, so I assumed it was from Straus’ farm. I think that is an assumption most people would make if the label didn’t say anything different.
http://strausfamilycreamery.com/field-to-bottle/sweet-coastal-grasses
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“The Straus Dairy and the seven other dairies from whom Straus Family Creamery buys milk are located in Marin and Sonoma Counties, along the Northern California Coast.”
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Regarding HIV/AIDS, I can remember looking up the drugs, right before I gave them to the patient, I was shocked at how toxic they are. I often wonder if it was the drugs that killed the patients in the early days and not the supposed disease?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creamery?show=0&t=1413145217
When I was in Iowa, a family owned creamery was not in favor of legalizing raw milk. The owner spoke at one of the meetings. They receive milk from local dairies and put their family label on the milk, cheese, butter and ice cream sold in the grocery stores. That is why I don’t perceive it as outsourcing because it is a creamery. That is the role of a creamery.
Now if Strauss was a diary (not a creamery) which also pasteurized their own milk and they went outside of their herd for milk, then that would be outsourcing, especially if they didn’t post it on their website that they had these practices. That would be deceptive.
If the raw dairy you mentioned, that once upon a time outsourced, had been up front with customers and placed all the information on the dairy’s website as to where they received outsourced milk and colostrum from, then people would be informed of his outsourcing practices. That was the point. This dairy was completely secretive and then there is the whole issue of outsourcing from a dairy the produces milk for pasteurization and not to be consumed raw. I’m sure this unnamed dairy can appreciate how dangerous this practice was now that they are RAWMI educated.
Strauss is very upfront about their practices on their website. It is not hidden or difficult to find that 7 dairies support the creamery.
And you think that because the outsourced product isn’t strictly raw milk (for drinking) it’s ok to be used without mentioning that it’s from multiple farms because it’s pasteurized? Wow. That’s the kind of thinking that created the numbers recorded by the CDC about the problems (illnesses and deaths) with pasteurized milk and its products, vs the non-problems with raw milk and its products. Few biGAG dairies are all that concerned about cleanliness, whereas almost ALL raw milk farmers are generally on top of the cleanliness thing as priority #1. There’ve been a couple of rotten apples in the raw milk bunch over the years, but the CDC numbers simply don’t show the same set of problems in small vs large operations. How come you refuse to acknowledge that fact? Or do you think the CDC is wrong about this one thing?
Also, you do not really understand what a creamery is. Many dairy farms are also creameries. In fact, I would venture to say most of them are just that.
You need to go back and talk to your boss and get a clearer definition of what it is he wants to you say here. =)
maybe there’s hope for the Devil’s Advocate, after all. Test question being : < does she admit so-called "Pasteur-ization" cooks the vital nutrients out of the milk? >
Don’t you know it’s ok to co-mingle boiled milk and NOT tell customers? There has got to be a double standards, goes along with forked tongues. . Dairy/creamery sounds the same to me.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creamery
cream·ery
noun \?kr?m-r?, ?kre-m?-\
: a place where butter and cheese are made or where milk and cream are prepared or sold
plural cream·er·ies
Full Definition of CREAMERY
: an establishment where butter and cheese are made or where milk and cream are prepared or sold
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dairy
dairy
noun, often attributive \?der-?\
: a farm that produces milk
: a place where milk is kept and butter or cheese is made
: a company that sells milk and foods made from milk (such as butter and cheese)
plural dair·ies
Full Definition of DAIRY
1
: a room, building, or establishment where milk is kept and butter or cheese is made
2
a : the department of farming or of a farm that is concerned with the production of milk, butter, and cheese
b : a farm devoted to such production
3
: an establishment for the sale or distribution chiefly of milk and milk products
“Approximately 100 employees process an average of 14,000 gallons of milk per day that comes from the Straus dairy and seven other organic, family farms in coastal Marin and Sonoma Counties.”
http://strausfamilycreamery.com/about/organic-creamery
“Don’t you know it’s ok to co-mingle boiled milk and NOT tell customers?”
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Ha, I guess it must be ok because that’s what the big dairy/pasteurized milk suppliers have been doing for years, it’s just that most people who buy that kind of milk (read: junk milk) don’t think of it in those terms. They have no idea what they’re getting or from where and they don’t really seem to care. That’s why big dairies are big dairies. =\
Sylvia, I’ve been saying this in this blog for 2 years (even in this article). The chapter in Duesberg’s book on AZT is called, “Poison By Prescription: With Medicines Like This, Who Needs Disease”.
Dr. Carolyn Dean has recently updated her contribution to the book and video called Death by Medicine. It’s called Death by Modern Medicine and is available in a download. Search it out and take a look. It’s a free download for a time, and then goes to $9.99. Still, well worth the price.
Ken
Ken
The article that Tomm referenced also implicated arsenic based insecticides such as lead arsenate and Paris green (not mentioned), which have been used in agriculture for centuries.
Copper acetoarsenite (Paris green) sprays were first used by fruit growers to control insects on produce such as apples and continued through to about 1900. It was also used internationally to control mosquito populations, where it was applied directly to water bodies as a powder or mixed with moist sand. Prior to the above agricultural uses however it was used in paints and as a rat killer in European cities.
Ken
Mary, you are correct, I would never consider buying colostrum in 2014 from another organic dairy. But….it was never a secret when we did back in 2005. We just did not know that anyone cared. Now I do….no question. We widely shared our outside relationships with anyone that asked. It was neverma secret! The first time I realized that I had committed some kind of outsourcing crime, was right here. Ever since, we have been open, and very sensitive to this labeling concern. Looking back, I am thankful for this hard earned lesson.
Just so everyone knows, label space is extremely tight. The “Warning” takes up huge amounts of label real estate. Other required consumer labeling requirements take up the rest.
Let me ask this question:
If a RAWMI Listed raw dairy was to purchase raw milk from another RAWMI Listed dairy and use it for any purpose ( class 1,2,3,4 including butter or cheese ) where should that notice to the consumer be printed?
This question has been brought up now that raw dairy products are thriving, and not all raw dairies can or will make all products that are in high demand.
Would love your feedback…
Thanks…
I can only speak for myself, If I am buying dairy, I want it to come from one single dairy, not co-mingled. As I have stated, then it is no different than the cafos co-mingling.
I haven’t had milk in a long time as the offerings in my area are the store bought crap. The closest raw cow milk is over 2 hrs one way and I haven’t seen the farm and for a gal of milk, it isn’t worth the drive. I just do with out.
The law has been that you can buy real milk if you go directly to the farm, and the farmer is not allowed to advertise. The new proposed amendments would add new requirements.
Makes you want to vomit. You know, spiritual teachers in many areas and times have said that when you violate another, sooner or later you inherit the evil you did, in one form or another. Is it legal in a spiritual sense to take great comfort in knowing that the horrible people that want to make us sick by making whole unprocessed food illegal or effectively illegal, that sooner or later they will inherit the sickness they cause? I hope so.
“In the mid 1900s, some doctors, like Ralph Scobey and Morton Biskind argued that pesticides were responsible for the “summer plague”, as it was called (polio), for appearing when children were eating chemicals sprayed onto orchard fruit. But their efforts were overwhelmed by the race to blame a “virus” (and make a vaccine)…”
(sounds a bit like Miguel’s posts)
It is not practical to commingle raw milks from different dairies. Several years ago, I stated the case for class 4 products verses class 1 or 2 raw dairy products. They are treated entirely and differently under the regulatory laws. Class 4 products are not considered to be at risk like class 1 or 2 in the raw world. The moisture and acid differences make butter and cheese very low risk for pathogens. However, fluid milk or cream are treated as higher risk with pathogen testing etc….
I don’t think any dairy product should be co-mingled from any other dairies. When I was in Ca and bought raw milk, either yours or Claravale’s, I bought them not only because I prefer raw milk, also because they came from one single farm, not a mixture of 5, 10 or 100s of other dairies. As I said, when you start mixing dairy products from other dairies, that is no different than the cafos mixture. I don’t buy store bought nuts, in part, for the same reasons, they comes from numerous different farms. Or even ground beef, who wants to consume 100s of different cows in one burger? Not I.
I think the cafos should put on their labels ALL the farms whose milk are in that gallon jug. That would be one hellofa long label.
If people saw just how many farms contribute to that one gallon, I would bet sales would decline even further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=HUM9eAauXN0&app=desktop
Mysterious Virus Spreading Across U.S. and Canada And Primarily Affecting Vaccinated Children
http://www.infowars.com/mysterious-virus-spreading-across-u-s-and-canada-and-primarily-affecting-vaccinated-children/
As for purchasing milk from another RAWMI listed diary…..Yes the customer should be informed. That is a good, honest business practice. Let the buyer decided what they would like to consume.
Also, you have learned much over the years. Years ago when you outsourced, you didn’t have the pathogen knowledge base you have now. Lessons learned the hard way; but definitely learned and helping others learn also. You turned something negative into a positive.
I just read thru these proposed new amendments to Illinois raw milk law, and have a knot in my stomach. Here’s a few items:
They start the amendment section by feeling the need to insert a paragraph of government propaganda about raw milk: ” The consumption of raw milk increases the risk of food borne illness because the milk may contain harmful organisms.” As we all know, raw milk actually decreases the risk of food borne illness because it is loaded with protective microbes that colonize your gut, and because it is full of minerals and vitamins you can absorb, keeping your body fluids at optimal ph levels, etc., protecting you from disease.
“Clinical and epidemiological studies have established a direct association between gastrointestinal illness and the consumption of raw milk.” Another lie. The health giving intestinal flora from raw milk actually protects you from gastrointestinal illness. Professors who publish pro raw milk findings risk being fired or losing their grant money.
“Proper pasteurization of raw milk is the only proven, reliable method to decrease the amount of harmful organisms to levels safe for human consumption.” I suppose thousands of years of recorded history of the healthiest longest lived peoples on the planet drinking raw milk safely can’t be considered proven or reliable according to big pharma controlled government logic?
So we see the new amendments begin, after first defining terms, with a rehash of establishment lies about raw milk. Here are some more items:
“The dairy farm owner shall maintain a log of each raw milk sale or transaction with consumer name, address, phone number and date of sale for one year from the date of sale.” Does any other business in the US have to keep records like this??
“A dairy farm shall not make milk products, such as, but not limited to, cheese or yogurt, from raw milk for sale to consumers.” There goes the cheese and yogurt I used to buy weekly from my farmer.
“A dairy farm that participates in sales or distribution of raw milk shall post a placard at the point of sale or distribution that is noticeable to consumers that reads: “WARNING: This product has not been pasteurized and, therefore, may contain pathogens that cause serious illness, especially in children, the elderly, women who are pregnant and in persons with weakened immune systems.” The placard shall be written in a legible font, such as Arial, and in black ink. The size of the letters on the placard shall be no less than 2 inches in height.” Do people who sell cantaloupes or meat or pasteurized milk have to put warnings like this on their food? Is the farmer allowed to put up a sign that tells the truth about the safety of raw milk, that it cures serious illness and the risk of illness is less than zero ie you are safer drinking it than not drinking it?
“The dairy farm shall provide the consumer with Department-approved consumer awareness information with each sale or transaction.” The farmer has to give each customer at each sale government propaganda about raw milk??
“The following shall be provided to the consumer either through container labeling or product receipt: …
Instructions for the consumer to notify the local health department for the area in which the consumer resides of a consumer complaint or suspected foodborne illness.” Do cantaloupes or any other food come with these instructions? If your child is poisoned by a forced vaccination and develops autism, can you call the local health department and have them investigate?
Here’s an interesting one: “Swine or poultry shall not be housed with lactating dairy animals.” People, get the word out, barns, the thing that has been used on farms for eons, they don’t work. OMG! How did people ever survive with more than one type of farm animal in the barn?? Hey, maybe we should make the small farmer buy a separate barn for each chicken? You can never be too careful with them microbes.
“Teats shall be treated with a sanitizing solution just prior to the time of milking” Mmm, just what I want in my milk, a poison sanitizer. Yum. And what happens to the normal microbes that lived on the teat before being poisoned? What moves in when they move out? And there’s a hole into the cow’s body there isn’t there?
“Milking shall take place in an area with overhead protection to prevent contamination of the raw milk; walls and floors shall be made of a smooth, easily cleanable material…” There goes the wooden barn.
“For every day of a sale or distribution transaction, two raw milk samples shall be kept a minimum of 14 days. One sample shall be stored between 32°F and 40°F in a sanitary container, be at least 6 ounces and be labeled with the date of the production. The second sample shall be kept in a frozen state, be at least 6 ounces and be labeled with the date of production.” Heck, just buy another refrig and hire a few more people to keep track of all this.
You get the idea. I can’t keep reading this. Signing off.
I believe it was Ron Klein that posted a lecture by Wendell Barry a while back where Berry states,
We cannot know the whole truth, which belongs to God alone, but our task nevertheless is to seek to know what is true. And if we offend gravely enough against what we know to be true, as by failing badly enough to deal affectionately and responsibly with our land and our neighbors, truth will retaliate with ugliness, poverty, and disease. The crisis of this line of thought is the realization that we are at once limited and unendingly responsible for what we know and do. Wendell Berry
Vaccines which are cultured on immortal or neoplastic cell lines, or for that matter a vaccine grown on, cow, goat, chicken and monkey cell tissue with known nanobacteria, mycoplasma and retroviral contaminants are a case in point. Administering vaccines with the knowledge that they are contaminated with the above substances is a grave premeditated offense against the laws of nature which aught to be obvious to those responsible for implementing their use .
Benjamin McRearden states in the following article,
http://www.whale.to/a/needle.html
Any reasoning person with a basic knowledge of
vaccine production can deduce that nanobacteria have undoubtedly been infecting
humans in a fairly widespread manner via vaccination procedures. One might also
wonder whether it has contributed to the current prevalence of atherosclerosis and
generalized heart disease.
Mycoplasmas and associated variant forms have long been associated with many
disease processes, including cancer, chronic illnesses such as chronic fatigue
syndrome, fibromyalgia, arthritis, Gulf War Illness, and many others (73, 85, 86). It
would be impossible to cite all the pertinent references in this short report, on this vast
arena of microbiology that is often ignored by much of the medical community,
sometimes with tragic consequences. Mycoplasmas without question have the
capability of altering cell membranes and their antigens, disrupting DNA, and
altering cellular metabolism both in vitro and in vivo (70, 71, 72, 73, 86).
Ken
As far as the label Warning language is concerned, it is 30% of what’s required in CA. This just comes with the territory. Consider it a “baby step” towards more steps in the future. The only state I know with out a Warning label that allows retail sale of raw milk and a full range of other raw dairy products is Idaho. No warning is required at all. But….they also have a rifle in every pick up truck, and most grandmas pack heat!! Kind of like little Switzerland…just too independent, too little and too well armed to mess with. The idea that all sales require a roster of consumer information to be recorded…pass the law as best you can and then challenge this part as being unconstitutional. There are various commerce clauses and other consumer privacy rights that would preclude this overtaking.
My opinion….take what you can get, build markets, educate like crazy, embrace the highest levels of safety and let success be he ultimate payback…all the while pasteurized milk sales will continue to drop and pasteurized products will continue to sicken, congest, cause gas pains and to kill. If all Marler can do is post 5 or 6 videos of consumers that have become ill from raw milk…that is a real blessing considering the continuing deaths and massive numbers of illnesses caused by pasteurized milk and products. It is a distraction from the real threat of illness prevention and market encroachment brought by clean safe raw milk. Remember this….we are fighting a 120 year old war. It will take time and new evidence coupled with very old evidence to turn this tide.
Make very sweat organic lemonade from these lemons!!!
Ken
Guns and ammo are perfectly safe and fine to sell, but not pure food such as raw milk and its by-products.
Today’s gubmint officials should be called the fraud squad.
Yes, driving small farmers out is good for big farmers, but only in the short run. Ignoring thousands of years of history and going to bat for govt propaganda speeds the demise of real food.
Once again, there is no reason to believe in the Foundation Farm story, weapons of mass destruction that don’t really exist. or that Greenpeace’s ship blew itself up all by itself.
WARNING WARNING : Raw milk reduces the risk of serious and non serious illness in children, the elderly, and others. PLEASE consume all the raw milk you purchase, even if it turns into curds and whey, to insure maximum health benefits. People not consuming raw dairy are at higher risk of disease. WARNING WARNING
Or how about this one, which can be stickered onto bananas and other foods:
WARNING WARNING ; These bananas do not contain any raw dairy. Raw dairy reduces the risk of serious and non serious illness in children, the elderly, and others. You can reduce your risk of illness by purchasing raw milk to go with your bananas. WARNING WARNING
I like your progressive take on raw milk warnings….in CA a producer could do what you suggest. However, that producer would be marginalized and have all sorts of other challenges. Our state laws say that truthful and scientifically supported statements can be made on labels as long as a medical claim is not made outright. You and I both know that what the FDA has done by “separating food and medicine” is one of the greatest human travesties of our time. That one act will shorten life spans, decrease quality of life, increase antibiotic resistance, further increase death rates from the exclusive use of medicine as a cure after onset of illness. The FDA and its suppressive abandonment of immune system strength and its whorish relationship with pharma has brought more death than any other modern act of man. I hope that in my lifetime, the FDA will be forced to admit their tragic policies and begin the long journey to reconcile medicine with personal responsibility and whole food nutrition and most importantly divorce themselves from their extremely intimate relationship with paid-for science, $ and pharma. That will be the day!!
With the powers vested in the FDA and the money in pharma, the only way to that glorious day will be education and safe clean raw milk ( built upon huge powerful raw milk markets with overjoyed consumers and dying pasteurized milk markets ) and other whole and organic foods not tainted by GMO’S, antibiotics, roundup or anything else. Remember this is a war to liberate ourselves from this attack against our right to health. In a war…strategic genius must be engaged. If that means our products carry a scarlet letter of a warning….wear it proudly and let it be our sign of unprocessed product integrity. I know out in CA, if a consumer does not see the warning label on raw milk….they refuse to drink it. A lack of warning means that the product is not whole, instead it is innately allergenic, causes gas cramps and is associated with listeria and pasteurized milk. Trust me, the government screws itself with forcing warning labels on raw dairy products. It is their problem not ours. Teach teach teach !!! Governement would be much smarter to assist raw milk producers to produce safe clean raw milk and support studies and science that align with NIH human genomics research.
One more thing….your producers need to adjust their price points and properly price their products. Cheap raw milk is simply not fair to anyone and is not sustainable. Raw milk creates good paying jobs, and prevents illness. Two of the greatest goals for a healthy America.
There is an interesting confessional by Amy Nordyke, mother of one of the children sickened in Kentucky, at Food Safety News. While the article takes an anti-raw-milk slant, Amy actually states twice in the article that raw milk boosted the immune systems of her family. As such, it seems to argue for raw milk offering a major society-wide health benefit, and raises the question of how we can improve safety even further to reduce the perceived risk. Coming from FSN, that is a shift.
OMG Talk about medical screw ups! An 18 month old with bloody diarrhea and they didn’t send him immediately to the ER? AND by Friday he still isn’t hospitalized? Talk about substandard care.
“By Sunday morning, Sept. 7, we knew. He wasnt peeing. We took him to our local ER, thinking we were”
They waited 7 days? Really?
“our sons stool cultures never showed E. coli, but he was most definitely infected by it at some point and then was thrown into HUS.”
Obviously no one explained to this woman that e coli wasn’t the only pathogen that can cause HUS.
“Ill never use a raw egg yolk in their smoothie again either, or share a bite of my medium-rare steak. ”
Well that speaks volumes, doesn’t it.
I wonder what the standards of care are for a child presenting with bloody diarrhea and decreased appetite? It sure as hell isn’t go home and wait around, especially for 7 days.
I wonder if they’ll sue the doctor (s) for substandard care?
As I’ve said before, if raw milk drinkers don’t start waking up and learn how the government really operates, if they keep believing in these ridiculous stories, we can kiss raw milk good bye.
You all may recall when I busted Food Poisoning Bulletin dot com a couple years back. They have this website that says “Speak Your Mind”, and had a “debate” going on raw milk, and when I posted my comment, which was polite, they wouldn’t post it and banned me from the site.
Tom, you may want to post another comment at Food Safety News asking what happened to your previous comment that was posted X hours ago, and hasn’t appeared. You might also want to voice your complaint about the comment not appearing at the FSN Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/FoodSafetyNews.
If they decided not to post your comment, it seems you are at least owed an explanation.
I did receive a confirmation email last night from the system there I used to “join the discussion”. “Why I’ll Never Give Raw Milk to My Children Again” is certainly a slick propaganda piece, with all the requisite pictures of children, etc. I didn’t notice your comment there last night, but aside from that, I think it’s a safe bet most of the rabid anti-raw milk comments that follow the story are compliments of the government.
It’s no mystery why Food Safety News would censor my comment. Here is basically what I had said:
People, please stop believing in these government stunts. The government has an ongoing dirty trick campaign running to discredit raw milk. Please learn some history. Look into the tactics the government has used against environmental groups, Native Americans, peace groups, etc. Dirty tricks are standard operating procedure for them, to discredit and derail movements they don’t like. If you think this is farfetched you are clueless about history. “Why I Would Never Give Raw Milk to my Children Again” is not a genuine event.
Please learn the history of raw milk. This ancient super food was consumed by the healthiest, longest lived peoples, such as the Hunza, Armenians, Alpine peoples, Sikhs, Georgians, etc. Raw milk does not cause HUS, it heals and prevents serious illness. But when raw milk farmers post on their website testimonies from mothers telling how their children have been healed of life threatening asthma, the farmer is fined 8000 dollars. Btw asthma kills 4000 people a year in this country. University professors have posted that they risk being fired or losing their grant money if they publish pro raw milk findings.
If you want to learn the truth about raw milk, go out in the REAL WORLD and talk to any of the 10 million raw milk drinkers, as I have. All I find our healing stories. Why is the government and media cartel slandering raw milk? It’s precisely because of its health benefits. The SICKNESS industry is the biggest industry today, bigger than oil. The pharmaceutical cartel takes in over half a TRILLION DOLLARS every year in revenues. They make of fortune off “treating” a sickly, mineral deficient population.
If raw milk were to become much more popular, it would wreak havoc with the Sickness Industry. Don’t trust in me, but don’t trust in these kooky stories of children having their kidneys fail or heads blow up or whatever, from raw milk. Go out in the real world and learn the truth. Then you won’t be fooled.
As for your transparency, I find your statement extraordinary since I worked with you on the coliform law in the fall of 2007, just after you admitted publicly to outsourcing cream. I volunteered to help you bring transparency to your website but you would not. That’s why I outed you six months later. Given that history, I am thinking back on your market at that time and you had a large and growing base at farmers markets. I am curious: Back in 2007, were I to ask one of your market employees about your outsourcing practices, what kind of information were they trained to provide me as a consumer?
Amanda
I note that it shows my comment, as I type this now, as being posted “a day ago”. As I scroll up a few comments, there is one from A. Nordyke (author of the article) from “three hours ago”, and this comment starts out, “Gonna go ahead and reply to your comment below that’s awaiting moderation, Alicia…” and she addresses Alicia’s comment, which is below hers and was made “5 hours ago”, as I type this. Alicia’s comment starts, “How does that prove a boosted immune system…”
I also have posted a follow up comment there.