The principle of private food should get a test in front of a jury of ordinary citizens when raw dairy farmer Vernon Hershbeger goes on trial in Wisconsin on Jan. 7.
I should say the principle should get a test, because initial indications are that the state will work like the dickens to sidestep that issue in favor of a ton of fear mongering designed to scare the jury that raw milk is too dangerous to distribute publicly, privately, or any which way, and thus seek to justify both the state’s ban on raw milk sales and its relentless prosecution of Hershberger, a farmer who provides raw milk and other food to more than 100 members of a private food club around his town of Loganville.
The court has scheduled five days for the proceedings. The Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection has already presented the defense with a list of 30 witnesses it plans to call in the trial, including the state veterinarian and a number of public health experts.
That list of witnesses, many with no direct knowledge of Hershberger’s food club or the issue of food rights, suggests strongly that the state will be seeking to turn the trial into a case against raw milk, and argue that raw milk distribution can’t be allowed by anyone, including Hershberger.
But Hershberger has no doubt given pause to the state by engaging an experienced Wisconsin lawyer, Elizabeth Rich, through the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund (of which she is vice president). The state would much rather have faced off against just Hershberger as he went through the proceedings thus far, representing himself, despite the fits he gave them in successfully defying their efforts to claim he had violated his bail terms and in forcing the videotaping of all proceedings.
Hershberger has been charged with operating a retail food establishment without a license, operating a dairy farm as a milk producer without a license and violating a holding order issued by DATCP. The holding order prohibited anyone from removing food products from coolers that had been taped in Hershbergers farm store. He pronounced himself back in business serving his food club back in early 2010, following a DATCP raid on his farm. If convicted, he could be sent to jail for a year or more.
The Hershberger case has opened up serious divisions within the Wisconsin business and legal communities. To get a taste, take a look at the video of Wisconsin businessman Brendan Connelly speaking in Virginia earlier this year to a food group. It turns out Connelly is not only a member of Hershberger’s food club, but of the Wisconsin Free Masons.
Connelly doesn’t like what the state is doing to his food club, by possibly endangering his supply of nutrient-dense food. In the talk, he points out that one of the Wisconsin prosecutors, Phillip Ferris of the state’s Department of Justice, is also a Free Mason, and thus a “brother”. Note Connelly’s remarks beginning at about the seven-minute mark, where he states, “A brother in my mason lodge is one of the prosecuting attorneys…I called him.” Connelly says he has been trying to contact the Wisconsin attorney general about the craziness of the Hershberger case as well. A principle of Masonry, he states, “is to be a good guy, honest, ethical. How this jibes with that, I just want them to answer this. I do not know.”
The odds against Hershberger are long, even with the advantage of the first jury trial in a raw milk-related food rights case, and the divisions in the Wisconsin ruling class. The defense has already been prohibited by the judge from mentioning jury nullification, which allows the jury to refuse to back laws it regards as unjust. And the judge can be counted on not to restrict fear mongering by the prosecution. Because the prosecution is coming in all guns blazing, this will be an expensive case to defend, requiring all the financial support possible to the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund to provide a full defense.
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One of the last places I would have expected to see a regurgitation of government-based fear mongering over raw milk was Mother Jones.
The magazine positions itself as a purveyor of “smart, fearless journalism… journalism not funded by or beholden to corporations. ..you can count on us to take no prisoners, cleave to no dogma, and tell it like it is.”
But its foray into the world of raw milk (“Got E-Coli? Raw Milk May Taste Great, But Pasteurization Was Invented for a Reason”) in the September-October issue comes off as just the opposite. It might as well have been crafted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control–it even uses one of its poster moms against raw milk, Mary McGonigle-Martin, whose six-year-old story is featured on the CDC anti-raw-milk web site.
Actually, the Mother Jones article is more cleverly constructed than anything the CDC has done, because it is more subtly suggestive in its anti-raw-milk language than CDC (or FDA), which just hit you over the head with their views. If I was going to stick a label on it, I’d call the piece disingenuous–the writer, Kiera Butler, certainly knows more about the deep rights and political implications of this subject than she lets on in the article. I can’t link to the article, since it isn’t online, but here is a taste of some of its many low points.
* It trivializes the decision to consume raw milk. For most people, the decision to serve to their families raw milk, and other nutrient-dense foods, comes after much reading and consideration. The Mother Jones author presents herself as someone who has been drinking raw milk for a year, and suddenly gets religion.
“But I’d also heard it could make you sick, so after catching a news program about an E. coli outbreak in California, I decided to do some digging. What I learned was not terribly appetizing: Milk that hasn’t undergone pasteurization-a heating process that kills pathogens-can harbor bacteria such
as Campylobacter, listeria, and E. coli-all of which can cause severe illness and even death. That’s why selling raw milk is illegal in 18 states.”
Sorry, but as they say in Texas, that dog won’t hunt. No one who has been drinking raw milk for a year is so naïve about the food safety aspects as to decide from a news program to investigate. It gets worse from there.
* It trivializes the European research on raw milk. Its reporting about the PARSIFAL and the GABRIELA studies indicating that raw milk helps reduce allergies and asthma, is off base when it says that “the existing studies hinge on surveys of farm families, whose exposure to a diverse range of bacteria and allergens makes the cause of the benefit tricky to pinpoint.”
Those weren’t small-scale studies, as suggested, but large-scale studies. One was of 8,000 children and the other nearly 15,000. The studies screened for a number of “farm” factors (like dirt, animals, etc.), so there was little doubt it was the milk making the difference.
* It trivializes the people who drink raw milk by alluding to the “near-religious fervor” with which they defend raw milk. In other words, they are a bunch of nut cases. Lots of people I know don’t defend it that way. They drink it because they feel it is healthier than pasteurized milk. They are reasonable, rational people concerned about their health, and about the dangers of factory-produced food.
* It trivializes the food rights issue by failing to stand up for our rights to make our own choices, by noting very positively that many states have banned raw milk, as if others should do the same. Food club managers are being thrown in jail and dairy farmers and cheese makers are having their livelihoods ruined over this issue, and all Mother Jones can suggest is that more states should ban raw milk?
I’m a long-time admirer of Mother Jones, and its willingness to carry out the noble mission it ascribes to itself, which is why I made the effort to critique the raw milk article. If it had appeared in a metropolitan daily, or a major consumer magazine, I wouldn’t have bothered, since it would have been predictable. Unfortunately, this article is essentially a piece of government and Big Ag propaganda, and as such is a sad exception to the Mother Jones mission.
Well, MoJo took a nose dive into the toilet, did someone buy it out? How disappointing.
I blogged two weeks ago about the completely lazy job that MOJO did on their piece about raw milk. It is hard to believe that MOJO did not sell out, especially after I provided reims of data on raw milk safety and the deaths caused by Pastuerized milk…even properly pasteurized milk that has caused the deaths of 8 kids ( milk allergy deaths ) since 1998. Not one mention of any of this,….not one mention. That defines a sell out and extremly unethical journalism. Unbalanced and corrupt….really sick.
It is worse than that….it is a disservice to everyone.
Two days ago, I attended the local California Milk Advisory Board committee meeting and dinner. It was held at a local restaurant conference room and was attended by about 30 local dairymen. A presentation was given by the state CMAB representative sent down to report the market situation for dairy products.
I thought long and hard about my attendance at this meeting, but decided to attend. When ever I attend this meetings I always learn something…this time gave me my greatest lesson. In the past…I always felt unwanted and shunned. Not this time!!
Wow….I am in shock. I was treated with great respect. I was treated with humanity and the few words I did share at the meeting where listened too with great interest. Wow…not what I expected.
The mood was somber and there were no happy faces and or smiles. The dairyman in CA along with his family has been tortured by the choices that the processors have made on their behalf.
Some of the facts were shocking as well. Last year the CMAB spent about $1 dollar for each California citizen ( $35 million ) to try and increase fluid milk consumption….the result….a loss of fluid milk market and a drop in consumption. This year….no more funds will be assigned to try and increase fluid milk consumption. It is a loosing advertizement campaign. Generic dairy product promotion will still go forward for all CA Dairy products…but fluid milk promotion has stopped. It does not work and the marketing experts do not know exactly why ( at least they do not share the reasons publically ).
At the meeting I shared exactly why they had experienced their market loss and the committee absorbed the data and just sat there. They were all numb from the economic realities of their practices and products. They resigned themselve to just work harder to become an ingredient in more kellogs products or McDonalds Smoothies. Driving Fluid pasteurized milk sales is no longer a vision or a goal for the dairy industry. Wow….this was a huge learning piece for me. Huge.
OPDC is experiencing 29% annual increases in sales and is trying its best to get other farmers to join in the market and is trying its best just to keep raw milk on its trucks….and to hear this news from the pasteurized markets blew my mind and was nearly surreal. It confirmed everything I knew in my heart. It confirmed everything that dollar voting data suggests. The truth is the truth…
The entire committee agreed that minimally processed probiotic yogurts and their wonderful GUT friendly traits were the way to go ( this is the EU model and it works ),….but as producers they could not convince the processors to produce and promote more of these products. They said…”we produce and they process….we have no control over them”.
My take away was this. I feel for the CA dairy and their families that are structurally stuck in a paradigm that is non-responsive to the consumers and sticks the dairyman with the results of this non responsiveness. The disconnect between the farmer and the consumer could not be more evident or clear.
A processor loves his through-put…be it soy milk, branded water, almond milk or hemp milk…it is something to fill the brand and fill the trucks. They do not appear to care what shape this through put takes. They do not appear to care about anything but their bottle dollar. That is it.
It is all Crystal clear to me now….
OPDC toured nearly 1700 people through our pastures and facilities so far year to date since February. We have connected to hundreds more in our Share the Secret programs through out CA and Oregon. When the farmer connects to his consumer….he gets market direction and he is oriented…he makes the right products and he is happy right along with his cows and his consumers.
I will never miss another CA Dairy CMAB meeting again. In order to teach…it is essential to sit in the enemies camp to learn. I also learned…that these are not enemies…..they are struggling hard working families that are confused by the directions that they are given by the FDA an their processors.
Bless them all. My heart hurts for them as they struggle and attempt to survive in the midst of this intentional market confusion that benefits the processors only. There was real pain on their faces….real distress that was palpable. When every truck load that leaves your dairy takes some dairy equity with it…it is just a matter of time before the farm VISA card is maxed and you are done.
This is a tragedy…a real tragedy.
Mark
I would be glad to be a witness for Vernon….those crazy Wisconsin Land O Snakes corrupted market protectors would fill their diapers with the kind of data we have here in CA about raw milk.
Go Vernon…great job on having FTCLDF to join your cause. Well done!!
When MOJO did not mention that pasteurized milk is lethal and has caused many deaths….that was intentional bias. MOJO excluded tons of data that was presented to them. They CHOSE to publish their story with their twisted agenda. No balance…no concern for telling the whole story. No mention of all the kids that no longer have asthma.
They did not give credit to the two massive PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED studies ( 23000 kids studied ) that proved raw milks medical values. In fact MOJO discounted the studies entirely. Anytime that PEER reviewed internationally published research is thrown out…the editors have an agenda.
In fact….it pisses me off to no end. You are right…the facts do not matter. except for one place. To a jury facts will matter.
In the Vernon case…the jury could very well swing to support Vernon based on facts….undenial facts. especially when the people are the ones getting screwed over and it is about time that a jury hands the FDA a crippling blow.
You watch the Vernon case…I will bet that he will be offered a settlement of his case prior to the jury going out to consider the merits. Certainty is worth so much…the other side could set a precedent that could cripple their agenda forever. A jury could turn arround and hang the hangman.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plea/
“Nearly 95% of all cases resulting in felony convictions never reach a jury. They are settled through plea bargains in which a defendant agrees to plead guilty in exchange for a reduced sentence. But what are the implications of a system that relies on pleas to expedite justice?” People blindly put their faith in a system that they have watched on TV, but does not exist in the real world, don’t they?
Your suggestion that I was given plenty of print to make my case…is very curious.
I did not write the article. They did….I provided information and MOJO decided what to put in.
When MOJO refused to look at internationally peer reviewed research…that was bias.
When MOJO refused to look at CDC data…that was bias.
When MOJO refused to look at the deaths caused by Pasteurized milk….that was extreme bias.
MOJO sucks!! Bottom line.
Next week I am having lunch with a UC Davis PhD researcher at the Milk genome project. She has pled with the University to study OPDC raw milk in her lab. The UC system refused and so did the funding sources that abck the UC research. She told me….when I proposed studies of your raw milk….they said no…unless it is pasteurized, we do not even want to see the draft pre-proposal.
I am meeting with her and we will discover a way to find the science behind the truth of all the medical values found in raw milk.
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“The Center for Food Safety (The Center) today filed suit in federal court against the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for their failure to implement several critical food safety regulations, as required by the Food Safety and Modernization Act (FSMA). Signed into law by President Obama on January 4, 2011, the Act has been unlawfully delayed for more than a year and a half, leaving vital prevention remedies to substandard U.S. food safety rules unenforceable, and the nations public health in jeopardy.”
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[MINE]: Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. ;->
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“More than eighteen months after the laws passage, and untold numbers of food safety illness episodes later including last weeks salmonella outbreak from Indiana-based cantaloupe farms resulting in two deaths and 178 sickened people in 21 states FDA has yet to enact any implementing of FSMAs food safety regulations.
Parents having to worry if feeding melon to their child will lead to hospitalization or even death is unconscionable, said Michele Simon, policy consultant for the Center. Congress and the President hammered out this law with the clear intent of protecting the nations food supply and preventing more outbreaks. Every day the Administration delays mean another day Americans are at risk.
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“The lawsuit seeks a court order that requires FDA to enact the FSMA regulations by a court-imposed deadline and prevents OMB from delaying FDAs compliance with that deadline.
This unreasonable and dangerous political foot-dragging on FSMA has to stop now, said Charles Margulis, Food Program Director at Center for Environmental Health, co-plaintiff in the lawsuit. While illness outbreaks continue and Americans question the health and safety of their food supply, FDA issues excuses instead of new regulations. The time is now for modernizing our federal food safety laws.
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[MINE]: Most of this is happening because the FDUh is high-centered on REGULATING raw milk. Raw milk has become the patsy for this whole food safety thing, which I don’t really understand in any context, because raw milk has a much higher level of safety and a much smaller degree of illness per capita than any pasteurized, sterilized, crap-food from bigPHakePHood.
My husband calls raw milk *food cum laude* (food with honor) and when that fact is recognized it will be self-explanatory even to the dolts in WADC. But they can’t LET that fact be recognized because their incomes would downsize considerably – and this IS all about money, never forget that solid point. I recently received a letter from John Thune’s (R-SD) WA office regarding the raw milk issue and food safety and he gave some lame excuse as to why he couldn’t support the thing. In the letter he stated that I had contacted him about this issue – I have never done any such thing because I can’t stand John Thune in any way. His opinion means even less to me than this writer from MoJo and her ilk. When we were calling Senators earlier this year about farm policies, I did contact his office about that issue, but I never gave them my name or address or anything, and yet I’m contacted as though I approached him recently. This food safety thing is a big thorn in their side up on the hill, and rather than deal with it they’ve chosen to continue to put it off, at the behest of the intertwined bigphood/bigchemical doods, so guys like Thune come up with totally baseless *reasoning*. Do you honestly think they even care about food safety? Hardly. They don’t care about food rights either, and they continually try to lump them both into the same title/category, much like the Marler people do, even though they are two distinctly different aspects of the whole issue.
But, as I said earlier, raw milk is the patsy being used in this food fight. Probably because it’s the most nutritious and most useable.
Good luck to all involved in this food rights issue.
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Luke 21:14-15 (King James Version)
30 years’ experience in Her Majesty Courts in British Columbia, through some heavy weather – speaking for myself, then being led out of the courtroom in shackles – convinced me how unspeakably corrupt the whole racket is. Yes = some individuals are called to walk through the exercise in personam. Still … In that theatre of war, mercenaries have their place.
I am disgusted. I am shocked and I am pissed. This is not the America that I was born in….this is the America that my father taught me about and the America he taught me to not trust and the America that needs changing from the top down and bottom up. Obama is a castrated coward and Romni is not the answer.
http://www.alternet.org/hot-news-views/justice-department-closes-book-cia-torture-and-deaths-custody?akid=9312.174761.fRtTXy&rd=1&src=newsletter702836&t=25
Here is a list of all the raw milk illnesses disaggregated different ways. The outbreak reports are listed at the bottom. For all the children who have developed HUS, the parents story behind the choice is similar to mine. Over the years I have had the opportunity to directly speak to multiple parents of children who have developed HUS after drinking raw milk. Not one parent I spoke to really knew HUS could ever be a risk factor.
Just recently Bill Marler posted statistics about shiga producing E.coli and HUS. I dont have the source to site right at this minute, but around 250 people (mostly children) develop HUS every year. When you take the small % of people drinking raw milk in the country and factor in how many children are developing HUS, it should be something every raw milk drinker should be concerned about. Instead, it appears to be trivialized.
As for Chris story being 6 years old, how I wish we could have all the newer illnesses highlighted. The CDC just cant call up a raw milk victim or victims parents. All information is confidential.
As I type this on the 6 year anniversary of purchasing the contaminated raw milk for my son, I would appreciate prayers for a two year old little girl and her family. This little warrior princess that to go back into the hospital for colon repair. She developed HUS in April after drinking contaminated raw milk from a heard share. The parents thought they did all the right thingsthey knew the farmer and observed his safety protocols when milking. They thought
everything was safe. It wasnt.
The two year old developed a severe case of HUS. She coded and was brought back to life as well as having a stroke that left her paralyzed and unable to speak. Even after months of physical therapy she has not regained the use of her arms and is not able to swallow or speak.
If you all want to promote the benefits of raw milk and consume this product, it certainly is your choice, but dont downplay the severe illnesses that have resulted from drinking contaminated raw milk and dont demonize me for being the voice for the other side of the raw milk story.
Again (and again and again and again) what exactly are the risks?
Recently Mark commented to Mary that Chris became ill not from raw milk but from a set of conditions. I thought he nailed it there. Illness, especially infectious illness, is not the result of exposure to an organism, but the result of a series of interactions including exposure to an organism. This is clearly true. Not everyone who is exposed gets ill. If mere exposure was the problem, we would not survive as a species—we would be ill all the time with something, overlapping somethings, and soon dead.
Your version of labeling suggests the opposite. It is a view clouded by the microscope, and by the paradigm so well sustained by big ag, big pharma, and big med. I do not find it humane or fair. It promotes dead food, low-nutrient food, soil destruction, under-development of immune systems, overuse of fuels, over reliance on medicines, disease management over disease prevention—it promotes illness.
Here’s an idea for milk labeling: If it’s natural, label it milk or unadulterated milk. If it’s the typical grocery-store variety, label it milk denatured by contact with biocides, pasteurization, homogenization, and fractioning.
MW, I was educated into the medical system. I know the power of its paradigm. Importantly, I also know that the people in it do not desire suffering. But we can be so narrow minded! It is understandable after investing so much time, effort, and money into becoming something that that something would tend to stick, but that just makes the tragedy of the mess more profound, the effect more deeply felt, and the urgency of out-of-the-box thinking more acute. It is far past the time to recognize that we cannot sustain a weak biologic system with technology.
Do you believe that the picture you identify yourself with on this blog accurately represents what goes on in my gut?
When someone is a victim of a tragedy that is one thing, isn’t it? But when someone becomes the spokesperson for a campaign to create a monopoly over a natural product, that is something worthy of rebuke and exposure, isn’t it? And you can see people’s resentment when you try to ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater,’ can’t you? You say “but dont downplay the severe illnesses that have resulted from drinking contaminated raw milk and dont demonize me for being the voice for the other side of the raw milk story.” You say that you are against “contaminated raw milk,” don’t you? What sane, rational person, wouldn’t be against “contaminated raw milk”? But when you attack non-contaminated raw milk that is irrational or agenda-driven, isn’t it? So you have reaped what you have sown, haven’t you?
(sarcasm)
I hope Marler is recording video of the cantalope victims. Someone needs to document their suffering and families grieving the loss of loved ones. The world needs to know of the dangers of this insidious melon and the unscrupulous farmers that grow them. With so many deaths in the past two years (36?) how can FDA allow them to be grown or sold!!!
I have thoroughly followed this blog for at least six years and I think I can say with reasonable certainty that we have all exhaustedly considered the so-called facts as they pertain to risk of infection and, immunity, etc.
In 54 years of consuming raw milk and feeding it to family and friends etc. the risk of infection was nil and the benefits of acquired immunity and good health are beyond measure.
Personal experience indicates that the germ theory is clearly lacking and the current methodology used today in order to deal with organisms has undermined our ability to better understand the cause of disease. I would also suggest that the current toxic, antagonistic approach used to treat infection is more then likely responsible for the numerous complications that Mary mentioned above, not the bacteria.
Ken
“In all, 4,413 people were sickened in dairy-borne outbreaksalthough that is just a small fraction of the 48 million people the CDC estimates are sickened by food each year.” Okay, let’s divide 4,413 by 13, shall we? That comes to about 339.5/year, doesn’t it? Doesn’t sounds so scary now, does it? Can’t hardly start a fear mongering campaign with such a small number, can you? Don’t worry the irrational and the agenda-driven can start with even smaller numbers, can’t they?
“Thats a large percentage considering that only an estimated 1 percent of milk drinkers consume raw milk.” Estimated 1%, huh? So they really have no idea how many people drink raw milk, do they? It could be a larger percentage or a smaller percentage, couldn’t it? Or maybe they do know and just don’t want to tell you? Maybe if they would have said how may people drink milk, then we would have gotten a better picture of the scale of the matter, right? This report lacks context, doesn’t it? And taking things out of context is a strategy used by people who engage in lies of omission, isn’t it?
Indeed that would be truth in labeling. We all know, that wouldn’t be done because if people saw that, then most wouldn’t purchase it.
Besides, it fun to poke the bear with a stick sometimes, right?
euphemism noun
1. the substitution of a mild, indirect, or vague expression for one thought to be offensive, harsh, or blunt.
2. the expression so substituted: To pass away is a euphemism for to die.
Now that you’ve unloaded a few gallons of bile, it’s past time to stop with the diatribe. Since this forum is the pinnacle of discussion on this issue, you’d do better to stop preaching to the converted ( in your odd, irritating, repetitive style) and present a few facts : what have you done lately, to deliver some REAL MILK to real people? Names / phone numbers, so I can verify if you’re a do-er or at time-waster.
You state,
Not one parent I spoke to really knew HUS could ever be a risk factor.
But how many parents think cantaloupe are a risk factor (until the past six months..)? How many know you can get HUS from spinach?
How many know they can get HUS from a hamburger? How many people even know what HUS is, honestly? I bet if I asked 30 people, maybe 2 would know what it is, what causes it, and what foods are a risk for it.
It is an empty argument and point, like so many raised against raw milk or real food.
In our lives there is nothing more sacred or precious than our children. Nothing. protecting our Children will create mother Lions of Mothers and Crazed Ninjas of fathers. That is the way we are created and how we defend our progeny. This is nature.
But…this is not rational and analytical. It is irrational but yet it is emotional, passionate and blind. This is natural and correct and as we are designed to respond in that special child and the parent relationship.
Hard data is different when it is your family or your baby. When data speaks of someplace in Asia, or three states away…that distance creates a distance of care and disconnection. Somehow this is someone elses problem.
This very human model of emotional concern and blind focus fails to see the whole picture and fails miserably to see all the rest of the parents and their concern and losses.
Mary you are the poster child for this syndrome.
Rajiv Dodah 12 1998
Sarah Hubers 13 2000
Sabrina Shannon 13 2003
Habib Kahn 10 2003
Prasad Gahare 9 2005
Kailey Brianna Bowles 7 2005
Deja Vacey Hay 7 2008
All of these children died since 1998. They did not spend time in the UCI and then recover. They died. There was a funeral and this child is missing from a parents and siblings life. This was real loss and this was real tragedy.
Each of these children died as a direct result of drinking properly pastuerized milk. Milk that is the MOST HIGHLY ALLERGENIC FOOD IN AMERICA. This milk contained no harmful pathogenic bacteria. This was perefect, guaranteed safe PMO worshiped FDA authorized CAFO milk. These are died kids that paramedics failed to resuscitate with epinephrine and CPR. They were too late. The MAST cells had released their histimines and the brochiols had spasmed, the airways had closed and the blood pressures had crashed.
When an observer objectively looks at data and dispassionately reflects on this data and then adds another 4000 dead childrens names ( who died from asthma ) to this list of 8…., there is an objective take away lesson.
“Pasteurization has passed its time of usefullness” ( a quote of Dr. Cindy Daily PhD Chico State University ).
Pasteurization is now a tool of greed to industrially cover up filth and provide for a long shelf life while screwing over the farmer and the consumer and lining the pockets of the processors.
Pastuerization is industrial dogma that is dying a horrendous death and taking children with it.
Mary…I know you love your son….god bless your mothering instinct….but please let all these other childrens lives become part of your concern.
Raw milk saves lives and prevents asthma. We know this.
I spent the day at the Grand Lake Farmers Market in Oakland today. It was one group picture after another…one story of asthma recovery after another. One story of no more ear infections after another. Tonight the Face Book pages will be filled with pictures and stories that will be engaged by so many more people searching for better solutions to their PHARMA toxic lives.
The farmer to consumer relationship could not have been better or more charished today.
We need to think and care for all of Gods children….not just our own. This takes a broader appreciation of what threats are attacking all of our children and what we can do to prevent disease and build strength for all children in most natural way possible.
Raw milk is the most natural food for children. Breast milk is raw milk and as Mike Schmidt says….raw milk is love. What we should be doing is standing behind RAWMI so we can all be better producers of raw milk. The last thing we should do is to tear down producers of raw milk and their consumers that are trying to protect our families and children through nutrition and prevention.
You have already covered most of my thoughts but tell me if this adds anything to the discussion:
Yes, DATCP represents the dairy processing industry but they do not work for them they work for us. In America the law is written by the people not by DATCP. The safety of raw milk is irrelevant. If the people want raw milk it’s DATCP’s job to make sure they get it and there is no law preventing them from doing it. I got this idea from DATCP’s home page under history of DATCP.
As a matter of fact DATCP is actually breaking the law when they interfere with direct farm sales. They also break the law when they interfere with private food contracts. Our regulations were never intended to limit food choice.
The court should keep in mind that DATCP is not representing the people of Wisconsin in the Hershberger case, Vernon is. By law DATCP is an industry representative. Vernon’s food club members are the only ones with relevant testimony. Everyone else has a conflict of interest. If the food club has no complaint DATCP has no case.
Now if you want to talk about safety later, fine, but then that opens the door to all the issues involved here. The first being conflict of interest, then anti trust, and libel. The safety issue is really very simple as long as you stick to the facts.
We are talking about diarrhea. Diarrhea is the most common illness in the world and is not dangerous in and of itself. Diarrhea is only dangerous if it is treated by a medical doctor or if the person is deprived of food and water. Raw milk is the healthiest and safest America food and DATCP’s data does not show otherwise.
If at some point a consumer decides he wants raw milk at his local supermarket than it will be DATCP’s responsibility to see that it is there next week. If we can find a way to safely sell knives and forks and battery acid we can certainly find a way to sell fresh milk whether it is safe to drink or not.
DATCP could have prevented this problem at any point by simply using some common sense.
“When I look at older posts on this sight they almost seem anti raw milk. Even David Gumpert didn’t seem to get it back then, when he said raw milk was fragile. Fresh milk is the least fragile and the most difficult to contaminate of all the fresh foods and the so called contaminates themselves are less dangerous than most of the food and drugs that Americans consume on a regular bases.” What amazes me about David is that he documents the illegal activities used by the government, (David Gumpert looks at the health benefits of raw milk – Chelsea Green YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqVXBck1MqA ) but somehow he thinks the court will be honest as the day is long, right? The courts are the ones that have rubber-stamped the same illegal activity, correct? No different in the days of the “third degree” where confessions were beaten out of innocent suspects, right? The courts knew that was going on and still put the innocent people in jail, didn’t they? Yet, it wasn’t until the “muckrakers” brought it to the the public attention did the practice stop, correct?
So the government came up with the current system of lying to the public, didn’t they? It’s called the Reid Technique. Did you know that cops, prosecutors, etc can falsely accuse you, falsify evidence against you to get you to confess to crimes that your did not commit? So Hershberger’s only chance is to expose the criminal tactics used by the government and rubber-stamped by the courts, correct?
“…somehow he thinks the court will be honest as the day is long, right?”
You have a quote from me on that? I don’t recall ever saying that. People accused of crimes in the U.S. are dealt with by the court system, whether the proceedings are honest or dishonest. I do believe that in the area of food rights, the courts will be making important decisions, whether the judges making those decisions are honest or dishonest. As citizens, we have no choice but to accept its decisions, unless we are prepared to engage in civil disobedience, or to revolt.
can’t they?
correct?
isn’t it?
didn’t I?
right?
doesn’t it?
You ask many questions of others, how many of these do you ask of yourself? I don’t mind the cynical superrealistic approach and glad to have you contributing here but please cut to the chase and reduce the subtle innuendos, even though I mostly agree with you.
Issue statements, not questions with predetermined answers.
Innuendo away.
Yes is the answer. Right?
In 1928, Justice Brandeis said: “Decency, security, and liberty alike demand that government officials
shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example.”1 The people who make up the movements that we are concerned with consistently speak out to say that our government today does not listen, it no longer serves the American people, it exists to
serve its own ends.
The merits of that argument are not within the purview of this guide.
The Anti-Government Movement Guidebook – The National Center for State Courts 1999, National Center for State Courts. page vii
Wayne, Bill Marler made many videos of the cantaloupe victims. This is one of them. If you want to see more, go to his website and do a search: cantaloupe, listeria, videos.
Sorry if I haven’t made it clear, but I’m all in favor of educating people on best ways to deal with what could be corrupt courts; for example, I and others here have discussed jury nullification. I absolutely hope, and expect, there will be an aggressive move in advance of his trial to educate people in Vernon’s area about jury nullification. And perhaps there are other similar tactics that potential jurors and defendants can be educated about. That’s an area many of us are just beginning to learn about.
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/article/2012/july/12/wi-prosecutors-seek-limit-what-hershberger-jury-will-hear-about-constitution
…WI Prosecutors Seek to Limit What Hershberger Jury Will Hear About Constitution, Religious Beliefs, *****Nullification***** David Gumpert’s picture by: David Gumpert Thu, 07/12/2012 – 10:19
Ironically, in this case, the prosecution made such a request, seeking to prevent Hershberger from relying on the U.S. or Wisconsin constitutions, his religious beliefs, ****jury nullification***, and anything that might arouse “sympathy.” The idea, of course, is to keep the jury focused only on the narrow technical matters of whether Hershberger distributed food without a retail license, operated a dairy farm as a milk producer without a license, operated a dairy plant without a license and violated a holding order by cutting the tapes shuttering his coolers by the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection (DATCP)…. Nothing doing, said Judge Reynolds. He granted all the state’s motions. Thus, the jury at the trial scheduled for September 25 won’t be allowed to hear key arguments central to Hershberger’s case. Will Hershberger be able to convince a jury in the face of such restrictions? The jury is out.
I guess that’s what happens when you trust in crooked courts, huh David? Any realistic plans that don’t require the okay of the crooked judge, rigged jury or fear-mongering prosecution?
http://www.copblock.org/18955/ademos-jury-selection-done-trial-in-one-week/
Ademos Jury Selection Done, Trial In One Week
Posted on August 06, 2012.
Prior to the activity inside the courtroom, a couple dozen friends of Ademo friends gathered outside both as a show of support and to hand information about jury nullification to potential jurors. While some coldly passed without acknowledging the presence of a friendly human being, many were receptive. Or at least they knew they might have a lot of down-time and realized that having some literature to read wouldnt be all-bad.
http://www.copblock.org/19254/jury-deems-ademo-guilty/
Jury Deems Ademo GUILTY of Wiretapping for Seeking Accountability
Posted on August 13, 2012.
Ademo is ordered to spend 12-months in the so-called House of Corrections with 9-months suspended. Hell then be under good behavior for the next five-years, which, if violated, means strangers with guns will force him into a cage at state prison in Concord for two one-to-three-year stints. With good time he should be out in mid-October.
http://www.copblock.org/tag/pete-eyre/
DAY TWO: Picnic in Celebration of our Freedom of Voluntary Exchange for the foods of our choice
WHEN: Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:00pm
Join prominent National activists and food freedom proponents as we gather for a peaceful picnic to celebrate our right to peaceful exchange of food. We guarantee a fun, food-filled time and plenty of excitement! Please bring a picnic lunch or something to share!
Some speakers will include:
Liz Reitzig, Robert Fernandes, Eddie Free, Max Kane, Derrick J, Pete Eyre, Kristen Canty
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/article/2012/august/16/salute-real-heroes-food-rights-struggle-and-how-back-them
A Salute to the Real Heroes of the Food Rights Struggle–And How to Back Them Up
Tomorrow, she is leading a Know Your Rights Workshop and on Saturday a demonstration for Lemonade and Raw Milk Freedomall these events in Washington, DC.
http://www.abuseofpower.info/Tool_Wheel.htm Police Power & Control Wheel
http://www.abuseofpower.info/Wetendorf_PolicePowerWheel.pdf
Remember: the government knows how to commit crimes and knows how to use the courts to cover up those crimes, don’t they?
Terry Dean Nemmers,
Gee, I thought you were an expert in the Hershberger case. Judge warned Hershberger several times about violating his bail terms, yet when prosecution tried to have him thrown in jail earlier this year for such, judge angrily rejected the prosecutors. All this while Hershberger representing himself.
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/article/2012/march/3/hershberger-lives-fight-another-dayand-be-first-signer-declaration-food
And in your negativity, you suggest no judge anywhere is going to ever rule in favor of a farmer. You ever read the Ohio judge’s decision in the Carol Schmitmeyer case, which legalized herdshares in Ohio? There’s a link to it from here:
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/article/2006/december/30/ohio-judge-rules-favor-raw-milk-farmer-scolds-odas-failure-specify-cow
Surely you know that the Michigan attorney general legalized herdshares in that state in 2007 after an aggressive protest effort.
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/article/2007/april/24/all-there-michigan-department-agriculture-quietly-settles-richard-hebron-raw
And just in the last couple weeks, the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund helped raw dairy farmer Teddi Bechard come to a favorable settlement in a three-year-old case, under which he’ll be able to continue selling and delivering milk to customers–after much organized protest on Bechard’s behalf.
http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/news_wp/?p=1105
I don’t know anything about the case of your NH friend, so can’t comment knowledgeably on jury nullification efforts there, but from the looks of the articles you link to, the guy didn’t have a lot of supporters at the trial on his behalf. And going in to a jury trial as his own lawyer may not have been the smartest decision. Hershberger did a great job representing himself pre-trial, but will now have top-flight legal representation for his trial, which is a complex legal affair.
I’m not saying the odds aren’t against Hershberger, or that organizing a jury nullification effort on behalf of Hershberger is going to be easy. It won’t. It will take lots of hard work by many committed people. And even then, it’s not guaranteed to be successful. But simply assuming a negative outcome pretty much assures a negative outcome, no?
So far, your only message here has been negativity, yes?
I have a sure fire way to win at the casinos: Bet a lot of money on winning hands, and just the minimum on losing hands. Never fails.
The trick? is evading the question? yet spewing enough or too many questions? that will bewilder? and bedazzle?, while saying little? or nothing? beyond forming every sentence as a question isn’t it? Capiche?
And now back to your regular raw milk dialogue…
Why not use your high intelligence to get together with the attorney for Vernon Hershberger and help out. I daresay though, I doubt you’ll be much help from behind a computer, because half the time you spend fluffing your own feathers which is probably helpful to your ego, but less than helpful to Vernon Hershberger. If you’ve been down this path before, as you say, then you have experience which may be useful to this case, whereas the rest of us can only cheer from the sidelines.
But Naaman went away angry and said, I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. 12 Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Couldnt I wash in them and be cleansed? So he turned and went off in a rage. 2 Kings 5:11-12
“When you are arrested today, the federal prosecutors automatically expect that they will be able to force you to plead guilty whether you are or not. And their police agents, especially the DEA, take the same attitude. It is now quite common to see truly innocent defendants convicted and sentenced to longer terms because the Government rewards others, often the guiltiest parties, with shorter sentences in exchange for testifying against the innocent. Defense attorneys know this they see it constantly and it is slowly corrupting many of them.
To understand how this works you need to understand that in the eyes of a federal agent, you are guilty. If he arrests you, or anyone else arrested you, you are guilty. And once they believe that you are guilty, they will tell as many lies as necessary to convict you. Now that federal agents, especially DEA agents, have almost all learned their trade in a judicial system hamstrung by the sentencing guideline; they no longer think in terms of genuine proofs when making their cases. They think in terms of how much pressure do they need to put on the defendant to force him to plead guilty. They think like this because they expect (with good reason!) that every defendant will plead guilty. They do not expect to have to testify; so they are not worried about being impeached on their lies. And in the occasional case that does go to trial, where they do have to give false testimony, the agents are usually up against an appointed attorney who could not afford to do the investigation and preparation necessary to effectively impeach them.”
Busted by the Feds: A Manual for Defendants Facing Federal Prosecution by Larry Fassler, page 108
If you all want to promote the benefits of raw milk and consume this product, it certainly is your choice, but dont downplay the severe illnesses that have resulted from drinking contaminated raw milk and dont demonize me for being the voice for the other side of the raw milk story.
Mary you use the word promote. Mary you are the promoter. I assume you are in the medical industry. Vernon on the other hand represents consumers struggling to provide healthy food for their children. We wish it were our choice but it isn’t. It’s your choice. You are the one with the power of the state behind you. Mary, the average American gets diarrhea once every four months. So any one of the raw milk drinkers on this website that has been drinking raw milk for a year or more already knows raw milk prevents diarrhea which means it prevents HUS. We are not speculating we know. The only people complaining about raw milk are it’s competitors. The people protesting outside the courthouse are it’s consumers, people like I said, who already know it’s benefits people with know agenda other than their own health. Mary you demonize yourself when you take the demons side.
When my son was in the pediatric intensive care unit, the pediatric nephrologist printed out these two journal articles for use to read on September 16th, 2006.; the day my son was placed on a ventilator due to congestive heart failure.
From a specialist who does this for a living and has unfortunately seen too many young children suffer from HUS, he told us the research is conflicting on antibiotic use.
FYI, there were two children who developed HUS from the raw milk outbreak my son was involved in. One received antibiotics and the other did not. The one who did not receive antibiotics has permanent kidney damage the one who received the antibiotics recovered full kidney function. Sometimes there isnt rhyme or reason to medical outcomes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10874060 Not listed in the abstract4 of the children received kidney dialysis. 2 received antibiotics and 2 didnt.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=195225
gmail: lionnews00@gmail.com When you get your poster done maybe you could send me a picture of it?
I thought you where going to deny the antibiotic connection with HUS instead you post; From a specialist who does this for a living and has unfortunately seen too many young children suffer from HUS, he told us the research is conflicting on antibiotic use., then you say; FYI, there were two children who developed HUS from the raw milk outbreak my son was involved in..
You say your doctor has unfortunately seen too many young children suffer from HUS. What caused all the other cases?
Mary, if you get T boned at an intersection, you can’t ask the other driver if he had a green light. Your doctor is blaming a competitors product for causing your sons diarrhea and then denies causing his condition.
On an average day we have 3 million people in this country with diarrhea. During a major outbreak you could have close to half the people in your immediate area sick with diarrhea, so if a cow share with 400 people has 10 people with diarrhea do you say raw milk caused 10 cases or do you say it prevented 190.
Sorry for being an ass, I have four children of my own.
“The defense team of former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn, accused of the attempted rape of a New York chambermaid, is building its case ahead of trial — and for the star criminal lawyer at its head, Ben Brafman, all tactics are fair game. Digging for dirt on the victim is just one of the methods he will put to use to win Strauss-Kahn’s freedom — just as he has other scandal-wracked celebrity clients in the past. AFPTV looks at Brafman’s tactics.” Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qpi00qdgbc .
If you represent yourself, you are only interested in proving your innocence (Luke 21:14-15). If you have someone else represent you, then you really can’t be sure of their true motivations, can you? And will the lawyer spend time behind bars if they lose the case for you? No, they won’t, will they? They’ll be free to go have lunch with the prosecutor and the judge afterwards, won’t they?
http://antlionnews.blogspot.ca/2010/10/terry-dean-nemmers-is-afraid-of-old.html
I recommend you read ALL of that Bible : It’s war, from cover to cover … there is nothing new under the sun = It’s hardly a news-flash that the courts are corrupt. Persecution for political activity just comes with the territory for the prophetic type.
I have a room-full of paperwork from all my cases over the last 30 years in Her Majesty’s Courts in British Columbia. I can locate the evidence for anything I say. I’ve laid dozens of private Informations, some of the charges of which, stuck. As contrasted with your pathetic little bleat that a woman who’d tossed a flyer back in your face had committed “assault” ! Slogging through the cesspools of court is wearing, at the best of times, so that bit of comic relief is welcome
So far, in all your verbiage, you’ve said precious little, of any assistance, to do with raw milk, have you?
Yes. Otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to ban my families’ most important food.
As for diarrhea, when someone has an E.coli 0157:H7 infection it is not the type of diarrhea we think of when someone says, “I had diarrhea”.
I know, some people have no symptoms at all.
It seems to me diarrhea is a disease of malnutrition and it’s severity is directly related to the severity of the malnutrition. That’s why not everyone who consumes E.coli gets sick. That is also why diarrhea is so common in this country. Starvation is not the only form of malnutrition. Processed food is not food. Man does not live by bread alone, literally. Processed food is better than nothing but not by much.
And now I’m going to repeat this one more time. The average American gets diarrhea 2 to 3 times a year. That’s one in a hundred. So if you do a study to see how much salmonella it takes to give a person diarrhea and you use 100 people one person is going to get diarrhea whether you give them salmonella or not. If you use 10 people and run the test for 10 days you have the same problem. So
One in a hundred also means, on an average day a raw milk cow share of 100 families should have 4 cases of diarrhea per day to be at the national average. If they have less than that the raw milk is preventing HUS not causing it. Isn’t it just that simple?
End with a question right?
The 14 points of the Hershberger raw milk case:
1. Vernon tell your lawyer these are the points you want to make and give her a script.
2. The safety of raw milk is irrelevant, we don’t make things illegal because they’re dangerous.
3. The safety of raw milk is irrelevant, it isn’t DATCP’s job to tell us what to eat.
4. The safety of raw milk is irrelevant, this is about the law.
5. The safety of raw milk is irrelevant unless the court is prepared to make a ruling on it.
6. The data is on our side even when it is from our competitors.
7. If raw milk had ever made someone sick, our competitors would have used that case instead of the Mexican cheese case or the improperly pasteurized milk case. They are grasping at straws.
8. If you don’t drink it you don’t know because there’s why too much propaganda from it’s competitors and no one could be expected to decipher the data rationally.
9. If you really want to know, you have a courtroom full of people who know, people with no conflict of interest, under oath, just ask them. It wouldn’t take long and you could eliminate all the testimony from competitors with a conflict of interest.
10. Vernon hasn’t broken the letter of the law.
11. Vernon hasn’t broken the spirit or intent of the law.
12. DATCP has broken the letter of the law when they prohibit incidental sales.
13. DATCP has broken the spirit and intent of the law when they prevent consumers from obtaining the food of their choice.
14. DATCP does not represent the people of Wisconsin.
rawmilkmike, can you list all the pathogens that can be found in grass feed organic raw milk in sufficient quantities to make someone sick?
Yes I can. None. And your own CDC data proves it.
‘3.5 Prosecutors must make sure that they do not allow a prosecution to start or continue where to do so would be seen by the courts as oppressive or unfair so as to amount to an abuse of the process of the court.’ The Decision Whether to Prosecute From The Code for Crown Prosecutors
https://labtestsonline.org/understanding/conditions/malnutrition/start/1 <~~lists the many symptoms of malnutrition, diarrhea would not be the only one. Diarrhea is usually caused by the body's attempt to discharge something that it disagrees with or a disease. http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/diarrhea-10/causes-diarrhea <~~~ This site is not one I would recommend. It states: "The average adult has diarrhea four times a year. American children typically have seven to 15 cases of diarrhea by the time they reach age five." If this is average, then the medical community should be getting off their butts and investigating the causes as this in NOT normal.
Signs and Symptoms
General malnutrition often develops slowly, over months or years. As the bodys store of nutrients is depleted, changes begin to happen at the cellular level, affecting biochemical processes and decreasing the bodys ability to fight infections. Over time, a variety of symptoms may begin to emerge, including:
7. Chronic diarrhea
Specific nutrient deficiencies may cause characteristic symptoms. For instance, vitamin B12 deficiency can lead to tingling, numbness, and burning in the hands and feet. The severity of symptoms depends on the intensity and duration of the deficiency.
Thanks Sylvia.
Courtroom misconduct (making inappropriate or inflammatory comments in the presence of the jury; introducing or attempting to introduce inadmissible, inappropriate or inflammatory evidence,; mischaracterizing the evidence or the facts of the case to the court or jury; or making improper closing arguments;
Mishandling of physical evidence (hiding, destroying or tampering with evidence, case files or court records);
Failing to disclose exculpatory evidence;
Threatening, badgering or tampering with witnesses;
Using false or misleading evidence;
Harassing, displaying bias toward, or having a vendetta against the defendant or defendant’s counsel (including selective or vindictive prosecution, which include instance of denial of a speedy trial); and
Improper behavior during grand jury jury proceedings.(4)
Angela J. Davis, Arbitrary Justice: The Power of the American Prosecutor (Oxford Univ Press: 2007) Page 125.
“Prosecutors routinely engage in overcharging, a practice that involves tacking on additional charges that they know they cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt or that they can technically prove but are inconsistent with the legislative or otherwise inappropriate. … The second purpose of overcharging is fulfilled less frequently, primarily because most cases are resolved with a guilty plea. If a case does proceed to trial, the prosecutor has a psychological advantage if a jury is presented with a long list of charges to consider. A long list of charges makes the defendant look guiltier and provides subconscious pressure to find the defendant guilty of at least one or two charges. The jurors have a tendency to compromise when there is a disagreement on the final verdict, it’s more likely that at least on conviction will be secured.18”
18 See Eric L. Muller, The Hobgoblin of Little Minds? Our foolish Law of Inconsistent Verdicts, 111 Harv. L. Rev. 771, 796-97 (1998) (noting that compromised verdicts are one reason for inconsistent verdicts); David F. Abele, Comment, Jury Deliberations and the Lesser Included Offense Rule: Getting the Courts Back in Step, 23 U.C. Davis L. Rev. 375, 393-94 (1990) (arguing that compromised verdicts convict the innocent and fail to adequately punish the guilty because jurors disregard the presumption of innocence and the requirement of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.)
Angela J. Davis, Arbitrary Justice: The Power of the American Prosecutor (Oxford Univ Press: 2007) Page 31, 217
So you’ve suffered a couple of pinpricks of injustice? Big deal … your own rants reveal you as a rank beginner. The kindest thing I can say is ; go learn what your mentor, the Apostle Paul found out = quit kicking against the pricks / quit making so much noise, just adding to the confusion in the Hertzberger case, intruding your pain body into the lives of others. When you get humbled – which is the pre-requisite for living a genuinely Christian life – you’ll be some earthly good. I was taught never to talk down to my audience. But I’ll make an exception for you : Go watch a few old John Wayne movies and learn how to ” quit complaining + to suck it up / be a man” = that’s the level you can grasp
Tell you what = why don’t you take your talents on over and assist Mr Hertzberger’s kinsman, Sam Mullet, as he takes on the prosecutors with your kind of talk, in a classic outworking of what a religious cult always comes to? Just your meat!
“CREATIVE REPORT WRITING MASTERS LEVEL Ironically, unethical cops with great writing and /or technical skills are often very successful. Their cases get prosecuted because the probable cause is always perfect and the evidence is always seized at exactly the right time. These officers can become the shining stars of their departments. … Evidence at a crime scene and probable cause for an arrest are almost never perfect. Even after a lot of hard work and long hours, a case will occasionally still fall apart, so the Code has great power here. It can fix your problems. If that’s all it takes, why should a cop be completely honest and beat his head against the wall to make a legitimate case when he or she sees all the glory going to officers who use good writing skills in place of good probable cause.”
Walking With the Devil: The Police Code of Silence by Michael W. Quinn [Mpls Police Sgt (ret)], page 102-103, 105-106.
However, if Hershberger was duped into this starting an illegal club, then certain agenda-driven professionals wouldn’t want to comment on the validity of the probable cause, would they? Is Hershberger being offered up as an unsuspecting sacrifice/martyr for a hidden agenda? If you have professionals liars on both sides, then how can you be sure of anything?
If you have anything intelligent to say for furthering discussion about how REAL MILK can be made more available, let’s have it. Otherwise = you outed you-self, and, as commanded in the Bible, we don’t pay attention no mo’ to false teachers / barkless dogs and clouds without rain
“D. STONEWALL TECHNIQUES When faced with the prospect of admitting an unfavorable fact or disagreeing with it and suffering punishment, many witnesses will attempt to break the horns of their dilemma by stonewalling.” George R. Dekle, Sr, Prosecution Principles: A Clinical Handbook (Thompson/West:2007), Page 243.
Consumers giving unsolicited unpaid honest testimonials is not advertising. You can’t call food a drug just because it cures starvation. You can’t call it food just because it has calories.
Raw milk is not and has never been guilty of causing the illnesses blamed on it. In this country no one seems to care what really causes disease. On the Internet I’ve found the causes of many illnesses and yes, I know you can’t believe everything you read on the Internet, namely the anti nutrition stuff like we are dealing with here.
The CDC has found that in the 11 states where raw milk is illegal 3% of the population still drinks raw milk. In the 39 states where raw milk is legal we have no idea how many people drink it because the CDC doesn’t want to know. We do know that many people refuse to consume pasteurized dairy products for fear of cancer and heart disease and that infants who consume only pasteurized milk will die of malnutrition. We do know that all doctors agree that raw cows milk has all the nutrients necessary for the development of an infant and that raw mothers milk is better than formula. We also know that 60% of American adults are lactose intolerant. Many people speculate that because raw milk also contains lactose it cannot be consumed by the lactose intolerant but this has never been proven and in fact millions of Americans know this to be false. I just did a quick search and found that in countries where raw milk is illegal most of the population is lactose intolerant but in countries where raw milk is legal most of the population is not lactose intolerant. Interesting, isn’t it?
by the Weston A. Price Foundation:
The key figure that permits a calculation of raw milk illnesses on a per-person basis comes from a 2007 Centers for Disease Control (CDC) FoodNet survey, which found that 3.04 percent of the population consumes raw milk, or about 9.4 million people, based on the 2010 census. This number may in fact be larger in 2011 as raw milk is growing in popularity. For example, sales of raw milk increased 25 percent in California in 2010, while sales of pasteurized milk declined 3 percent.
http://www.foodrenegade.com/government-data-proves-raw-milk-safe/
This means that, if every person that can drink milk does, and if every person that does, drinks the same amount, then at least 10% of US fluid milk consumption is raw. Of course not everyone that can will and I’m certain that raw milk drinkers drink more so that number could easily be 20 or 30% for 2009 and even more today. I also noticed that there are only 11 states where raw milk is illegal. The CDC’s data comes from 10 states 7 of which ban the sale of raw milk of any kind in any way. That means it could be closer to 50% of US fluid milk consumption. That number probably hasn’t change for the last 50 years.
Vernon = Victim! (Front)
Corrupt Government = Villain! (Back)
Raw milk has not been pasteurized, or heated to kill bacteria. A recent CDC study says raw milk products accounted for 36 percent of individuals sickened in milk-related disease outbreaks between 1993 and 2006.
Raw milk products include cheese and improperly pasteurized milk. We’re talking about drinking fresh fluid milk.
Thats a large percentage considering that only an estimated 1 percent of milk drinkers consume raw milk.
A 2007 Centers for Disease Control (CDC) FoodNet survey, found that 3.04 percent of the population consumes raw milk, or about 9.4 million people.
That comes out to 5.5 percent of possible milk drinkers. 48 percent of the population can’t drink pasteurized milk. Many doctors recommend the elimination of all dairy products.
The 10 state (CDC) FoodNet survey included 7 out of the 11 states where raw milk is totally illegal.
We have no idea how many people drink fluid milk and even less idea how many drink fluid raw milk.
Trade and Consumer Protection
). The following are what I consider the most significant arguments:
You can’t convict a man who has done nothing wrong.
Even though it is Vernon that would do the time it is the people of Wisconsin who in the end are the defendants in this case.
Food regulations are written for consumers not producers so you can’t convict a man who represents the consumer and Vernon Hershberger clearly represents the consumer and DATCP by law does not. DATCP’s board is required by law to be make up of food processors and at present has no consumer representation.
Our food regulations were not written to limit consumers food choices and were never intended to force consumers to buy what they don’t want. So I don’t believe our constitutional rights or DATCP’s authority need to be argued at this time.
Our Wisconsin Attorney General, the district attorney, DATCP, and this court all work for the people of Wisconsin. Under what premise does the court prosecute a man who obviously represents the Wisconsin consumer.
Personally, as a laymen, I don’t believe Vernon has broken the letter or intent of the law which would make discussing jury nullification and Vernon’s intent counterproductive.
Food safety is irrelevant and discussing it only serves to make DATCP the defendant. Having a judge apologize by saying he is only treating Vernon like anyone else makes the judge the defendant. In either case Vernon is exonerated.
DATCP’s action on incidental sales means they come to court with unclean hands. By illegally preventing the sale of raw milk DATCP has caused the problem that brings us to court today.
The court should not give creditability to raw milk’s competitors. When consumers go directly to the farm to get raw milk for the health of their families and do their own inspections(which by the way hold farmer to much higher standards than DATCP) they compete with other health food providers, distributors, processors, drug companies, DATCP, the CDC, and the entire health care industry.
Let me close by saying this: It is the court’s responsibility to protect the citizens of Wisconsin from DATCP and the food processors they represent.
http://datcp.wi.gov/uploads/About/pdf/Food_Regulation_Wisconsin.pdf