I just had a refreshing experience: a candid conversation with a leading political figure about food rights.
Former Congressman and Presidential candidate Ron Paul has long been identified as someone sympathetic to our right to access raw milk, because of his push for legislation to eliminate the federal ban on interstate sales and shipment of raw milk. But I never appreciated the depth of his concern about the role of Big Ag in pushing regulators to come down on locally oriented sustainable farms engaged in private food distribution.
Now that he has left Congress, Paul has launched his own television station, The Ron Paul Channel, and he had me on to talk about my book, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Food Rights. A definite role reversal–here I am, a journalist and the one used to asking the questions, being interviewed by a highly popular politician, the one used to answering the questions.
Paul opened the twenty-minute interview with me by stating: The federal government is bullying small farmers….it should bug out. His opinion is that the same corporatism that let to the financial bailout in 2008 is behind the crackdown on small farms.
You can find a brief preview of the interview at the channel’s home page, but to gain access to the whole thing, youll have to subscribe to the Ron Paul Channel at $9.95 a month (you can cancel at any time). From what I’ve seen in exploring the channel, its an excellent investment beyond being able to see my interview; he has a number of provocative interviews and exposes–he recently did an interview with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange from the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where he has been holed up for months, on the run from European and U.S. governments that want to see him jailed. He had an expert on the Federal Reserve explaining its machinations. He’s examined America’s drone attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
In the interview of me, we touch on a number of food rights hot buttons, including:
- Why the intensive regulation of small food producers benefits big business;
- Why government regulators are so terrified of the food sovereignty movement;
- How the food safety crisis is based heavily on fear mongering;
- Why progressives have such a hard time standing up for farmers being bullied;
- Why the small-farm bullying isnt likely to let up;
- The trend toward more young people becoming involved in farming.
At the end of the interview, he asked me how I began covering food rights, and after I recounted my experience, he thanked me: What you are doing with your books and your journalism are so vital. Well, Id like to thank Ron Paul for helping bring these issues more public attention. I dont agree with all his political positions, but I deeply admire his willingness to stand up on this huge issue, at a time when the ruling parties and mainstream media are deaf to the abuses taking place. It was an honor to be on his show, and I encourage you to give this new media outlet a try.
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It will be celebrity osteopath Joe Mercola versus celebrity farmer Joel Salatin in a debate over GMOs….with me in the middle, moderating, on November 7 in Atlanta. If you can attend, it is a fundraiser for the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, and there will be a dinner and dance to go along with the debate (for $107). This event precedes the Weston A. Price Foundation’s Wise Traditions conference, which begins the next day, November 8.
But if you cant be there, it will be possible to livestream the debate, at a cost of only $19.95.
Should be a great time.
I just posted an article at my forum by Judge Napolitano where he mentions that the american people are afraid of the gubment (for one reason or another). Actually, I think it’s the other way around. The gubment is afraid of we the people, thus the spying and the regulating and the over-reaching tactics. But, that’s just me. We should all be thanking Edward Snowden for the enormous heads up. Instead HE’S the criminal.
One thing that kind of jumped out at me though… I’m glad you have the funding to travel and participate and spread the word but when we the plain folk followers need to spend money to view or attend these “enlightening experiences,” you are going to lose a significant percentage of the audience that would fervently support it, but just plain cannot afford it. I imagine it’s even harder to jump on board say, in Northern Maine where most don’t have access to hi-speed internet or even computers. Having to pay basically means it becomes an elitist community at some level.
In the past money was no object for me, but times have changed and I would bet there’s a lot of us in that boat. I’m just glad that I don’t have to pay to read, or post in this forum.
Ora,
Your point about paying to access Ron Paul’s interviews or to attend the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund event is well taken. But I’m not sure what the alternative is. It costs money to run a professional journalistic operation like what The Ron Paul Channel has put together. Mainstream media outlets like the NY Times, WSJ, New Yorker, etc. all charge similar subscription fees to sustain their operations. Doing it all based on corporate advertising or sponsorships is tricky. Huffington Post just launched a new food section sponsored by Chipotle. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/food-for-thought_b_4127786.html) It’s free, and Chipotle is alone among fast food operations in supporting sustainable farming practices, but it’s still a corporate sponsorship, which means certain views won’t be allowed, or will be watered down to fit the corporate agenda.
As for the FTCLDF gala, it just added the livestreaming as a lower-cost option for individuals who can’t afford to attend the event in person, but still want to help and stay in the loop. Keep in mind that FTCLDF has been paying huge legal fees to defend farmers like Alvin Schlangen, Vernon Hershberger, Mark Baker, and others who wouldn’t otherwise be able to have adequate legal representation. It’s often said that the U.S. has the best system of justice money can buy.
I’d say it’s up to those who care, including those in northern Maine, to dig deep to support these causes. Many of them did last Saturday at the Grange event I described, donating $20 a person to attend the dinner (all the food was donated by area farmers) and then donating more for an auction that followed (all the restaurant meals, art, and clothing that was auctioned off was donated by area businesses). That particular Grange has been active in supporting food sovereignty.
Sure, not everyone can do everything. But people need to do what they can and, fortunately, many have. I’m not sure it means this movement will inevitably become elitist.
from the AmRen site today : for race realists who are mature-enough to take up AG Holder’s challenge = for genuine dialogue on ‘race’. An associate professor opining that ‘people differ, and that groups of similar people differ from other groups according to their genetics’ ?! What a concept!!
another thing I do know for sure ; REAL MILK dramatically improves oral health in humans, regardless of age, regardless of race.
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Oral Bacteria Create a Fingerprint in Your Mouth
Emily Caldwell, Medical Xpress, October 23, 2013
The bacteria in the human mouthparticularly those nestled under the gumsare as powerful as a fingerprint at identifying a persons ethnicity, new research shows.
Scientists identified a total of almost 400 different species of microbes in the mouths of 100 study participants belonging to four ethnic affiliations: non-Hispanic blacks, whites, Chinese and Latinos.
Only 2 percent of bacterial species were present in all individualsbut in different concentrations according to ethnicityand 8 percent were detected in 90 percent of the participants. Beyond that, researchers found that each ethnic group in the study was represented by a signature of shared microbial communities.
This is the first time it has been shown that ethnicity is a huge component in determining what you carry in your mouth. We know that our food and oral hygiene habits determine what bacteria can survive and thrive in our mouths, which is why your dentist stresses brushing and flossing. Can your genetic makeup play a similar role? The answer seems to be yes, it can, said Purnima Kumar, associate professor of periodontology at The Ohio State University and senior author of the study.
No two people were exactly alike. Thats truly a fingerprint.
Kumar used a DNA deep sequencing methodology to obtain an unprecedented in-depth view of these microbial communities in their natural setting.
When the scientists trained a machine to classify each assortment of microbes from under the gums according to ethnicity, a given bacterial community predicted an individuals ethnicity with 62 percent accuracy. The classifier identified African Americans according to their microbial signature correctly 100 percent of the time.
The findings could help explain why people in some ethnic groups, especially African Americans and Latinos, are more susceptible than others to develop gum disease. The research also confirms that one type of dental treatment is not appropriate for all, and could contribute to a more personalized approach to care of the mouth.
The most important point of this paper is discovering that ethnicity-specific oral microbial communities may predispose individuals to future disease, Kumar said. Though its too soon to change dental practice based on this work, she said the findings show that there is huge potential to develop chair-side tools to determine a patients susceptibility to disease.
The research is published in the Oct 23, 2013, issue of the journal PLOS ONE.
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Using only the bacteria found under the gumswhich are called subgingival microbesthe classifying machine performed best at positively identifying African Americans according to their microbial communities, followed by positive identifications of Latinos at 67 percent and Caucasians at 50 percentbut with 91 percent specificity, meaning the classifier determined how often a sample did not come from a white person 91 percent of the time.
Kumar and colleagues then expanded the selection of total microbes in all areas of the mouth, and identified surrogate communities of bacteria that were present in at least 80 percent of participants of each ethnic group. These communities showed a prediction likelihood of 65 percent for African Americans, 45 percent for Caucasians, 33 percent for Chinese and 47 percent for Latinos.
Nature appears to win over nurture in shaping these communities, Kumar noted, because African Americans and whites had distinct microbial signatures despite sharing environmental exposures to nutrition and lifestyle over several generations.
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It did make sense to Kumar that bacteria below the gums are most closely linked to ethnicity identification because they are the least likely to be disrupted by environmental changes in the mouth, such as food, toothpaste and tobacco.
Rand Paul’s blog is free. He’s not his Dad, but he speaks truth and common sense. And he’s in a position to DO something. We all need to contact him about REAL food rights. He actually listens, imagine that.
Wow….a know a famous guy now and he even drinks raw milk!!
I understand that “free internet” does actually have costs that have to be covered somehow, or will be short lived. My point was not necessarily that it should be free, but that by charging a fee it blocks out a large core segment of people that just can’t afford it and in turn reduces the “people power in numbers” that could possibly bring on change. If you are reaching out to the masses, you need to put yourself in their shoes.
As David commented, there is no clear alternative that would work any better and remain corporate/censorship free. I also completely agree with him that it’s a matter of priorities, give up your spending money on smoking habit or beer/coffee for a day and channel that money and energy to a higher ground, if you want to call raw milk that. Dig deep indeed, and think of your children and their children’s future. I’d guess that most of the actual elite today wouldn’t ever want to be called that and would rather pass of as “one of us” but maybe I’m wrong.
I can’t answer to the elitist part of your statement because I’m not elitist (I don’t think) and never want to be. I don’t want to be aligned with any of them either. I’m an apron wearing, cookie baking, horseshow judging gramma and if that makes me an elitist, well then, yeah, maybe I am one!! It’s all in your outlook, I guess.
I learned the term “cognitive dissonance”, ‘way back on the front lines of the ‘bortion controversy … people lashed out at us for merely standing outside the mills … provoking their conscience. Mikey, you’re profoundly conflicted on the race issue … your public-fool system conditioning frantic to suppress what your guts tell you …
take a gander in this ( raw milk) movement… if you can show me even one Negro / Oriental / native American Indian or any other race, who’s milking a cow in N America, supplying anyone other than just his own family, he’d be the exception.
I’m so old I remember the book “The 480” wherein John Kennedy’s people explained how they won the 1960 presidential election …. Marketing is all about ‘demographics’ : producers and consumers of raw milk are overwhelmingly Caucasians. The reason for that FACT, is worth knowing in order to prevail in this political controversy
Your confusion is on account of how you’re a racist, which is an elitist notion, but for whatever reason you’ve found yourself at odds with the dominant system, so your preferred ideology clashes with your personal position and interest. You try to square it in your head with another piece of stupidity, that the system is run by “commies”. It certainly takes an extreme level of cognitive dissonance to not recognize that a system run by organizations like Monsanto, Dean, and JP Morgan is the ultimate CAPITALIST system, but that’s where your confusion leads you.
It’s too bad you’re so full of personal hate that you’re incapable of cooperating with all human beings to fight the common enemy, but then those like you who want to hang separately shall certainly do so, and shall deserve it.
As a Gloucester fisherman put it, talking about their CSF (Community Supported Fishery) : “Those who try to stick with the Lone Ranger routine go bankrupt.”
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This isn’t any kind of government “interference” in the market, the way some detractors claim. This is the citizenry forcing the government to do something against its will. GMO labeling is a minor tweak which would put an end to one of the system’s worst abuses, the government-enabled secrecy and deception about what’s in our food.
As things are, we have the government helping to force GMOs upon us without our knowledge, against our will, rendering us unconsenting, uninformed guinea pigs in history’s most monumental feeding experiment. What’s more, it’s the government’s corporate welfare system, really a planned economy for agriculture, which built industrial agriculture in the first place. Government regulation actively constructs and sustains the commodified food economy. So it’s wrong to view this minor tweak as some escalation of regulation.
While it would be great to get the incompetent and malicious federal government out of our naturally local/regional food system, given the current framework of a corporate welfare planned economy we can only seek this reform at the moment. It doesn’t add to government action, but takes part of what government’s already doing and turns it from bad to good.
Also, government-enforced secrecy, where consumer knowledge is the natural default, is a market barrier set up by the government in favor of corporate food and against organic, direct retail, and local farmers and processors. GMO labeling would make the government remove that barrier, helping to free up real agricultural and processing creativity, which are currently cramped within the system’s oligopoly bottleneck. Of course labeling won’t fix this problem by itself, but it’s a good step.
Anyone who believes in democracy and freedom mustn’t disparage the people’s fight to seize one of our fundamental rights, our right to system transparency, especially where it comes to our food.
Russ and Mike,
Thanks for your level-headed and appropriate responses to Gordon. I was tempted to pull his original comment here about race, but concluded reluctantly that he kind of hangs himself with his tortuous racist logic. Gordon also is out there fighting the fight on behalf of food rights. It’s amazing to me that, despite being out there battling, with all the various contradictions that come with being in the fray, he persists with the racist agenda. To each his own, I suppose.
What I did say, is : seen through the lens of modern marketing, the Campaign for REAL MILK is all about white people. I mentioned other races, not as enemies, but to underscore that those cultures dont rely on milk as a staple, the way the white race has for ~3700 years since our progenitor, Jacob, was out on the range, looking after his father-in-laws cattle.
After visiting America in the 1930s, George Orwell observed “at any given moment, there is a sort of all-prevailing orthodoxy, a general tacit agreement not to discuss some large and uncomfortable fact”. THE major example of which, today, is, the R-word. Emasculated by religious racketeers on the payroll of the govt., White Americans are now so thoroughly-cowed, that anyone raising that issue gets demonized. I go back to 1968, when the Mao-ists at UBC stood shoulder-to-shoulder – one fist in the air, and the other holding up their Red Book, chanting fascists have no right to speak! to drown out those who contradicted them.
yesterday I posted what that Professor of Dentistry published because it is directly on-point a theme on this forum, ie, the role of bacteria in human health. Every genuine bit of science to do with genetics, is proving that there are significant differences between the races. Here – I’ll make it as simple as I can with my limited ability in the English language : what flows through one’s mouth has something important to do with the flora existing in the oral cavity… since we know that raw milk has everything to do with good bacteria prospering, it would be worth our while paying atttention to this researcher.
The trouble were in – officialdom hindering people getting raw milk – is only one of the current fronts in the anti-christ struggle to set up their the ages-long goal of one-world government. What I found out in the anti-abortion thing, was : communist strategy requires control of human reproduction = its all about breeding and feeding. Who controls genetics + feedstocks is of supreme importance for commies imposing red fascism. They categorize every one who wants to do his own thing outside that patent & licencing syndicalist model, as an enemy of the state. Only when one has that understanding, can you begin to figure out your own answer to the existential challenge : how shall we then live? in the world, but not be of it.
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In sum ; the Founding Fathers pronounced that the united States had domestic enemies. That hasnt changed : America is ruled today by people who hate us = Race Traitors in high positions of power, who gleefully mis-use govt. powers for hurting us. Whens the last time you heard that concept one of the main themes of the Bible preached from the pulpit of a so-called Christian church? !
Dr Henry Makow is brilliant at explaining how all this matters to the individual. One of the best articles being, the item ( 2nd down from the top on his website today ) The Aim of Freemasonry is the Triumph of Communism < www.henrymakow.com >
Before we throw stones at the communists perhaps we should look into the mirror before we judge what others must do to make sure their civilization survives. Do not get me wrong… I lovey freedoms. But those American freedoms can run havoc with our country when those freedoms are not consciously exercised by considerate and conscious citizens. The same can be said of food safety and freedoms. I we ever intend on having broad access to
Clean delicious raw milk…as producers we will
own each bottle and the label will have our name on it. No hiding away.
True Freedom requires individuals to take full responsibility for all things in their lives.
Thank you for the link to the livestream of the Joe vs. Joel debate…two men who I also greatly admire. And what a great (and easy) way to support the wonderful work of FTCLDF!
As for the rest of these comments…I’m more than a little confused about what raw milk and food freedom have to do with race. Seems like food freedom, and freedom in general, is one of the most unifying themes ever. (Head scratching….)
But in light of the odd comments, I can’t resist sharing this great video that a friend just sent me. This is a raw milk dairy in Texas, that appears to be part of a private school run by African American women, FOR African American and other minority children. So I guess there are minorities who both consume and produce raw milk.
Enjoy…this is a pretty cute video….Mark McAfee, I think these kids might make great guest speakers at the next RAWMI training…they have it down how to produce high-quality, low risk raw milk!
http://www.fodderfeed.org/
when you get some going, juice it and drink it yourself / “Green Barley Essence” by Yoshihide Hagiwara
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But at least it means you care enough to want to share. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.
I’d like to give our community here a heads up on what I expect should be an enlightening TV program, being aired tonight on the National Geographic channel, if you get it tape it or watch live:
http://blog.chron.com/fromunderthebridge/2013/10/movie-tonight-coming-drill-american-blackout/?cmpid=houtalkshcat
… prepare for a just in case.
Have a cow!
if you’re able objectively to consider the main factor in the video you posted, your confusion would be cleared-up about ‘what raw milk / food freedom have to do with race’. It’s dawned on those ladies that the ONLY way their people are going to get out of poverty, is = to quit worshipping the Baal of the central govt. So the sisters are ‘doing it for themselves’ : notice = what they produce goes to their own people.
your confusion on the issue of RACE is the result of the brainwashing to which you were subjected in the public fool system. But that’s OK : “God loves you and there’s still time to change!” Turn off the lib-tard media … its “daily hate’ sessions are designed to maintain the cognitive dissonance between what your Christian conscience tells you, versus Big Sister’s political correctness. Then you’ll be able to receive what I ACTUALLY say in posts referencing race ; vis ; in order to gain ground against our adversaries, the Campaign for REAL MILK must appreciate that it’s a phenomenon centering on in-born white character. My take, after 15 years – especially, in light of W A Price’s research – is : hard-wired genetic programming is what’s moving white people to get the stuff ( REAL MILK ) we need, after our racial enemies “polluted the well” of our national food supply system. For which position, the statistical evidence is overwhelming
Just spent the whole day speaking and mentoring at a Rural Vermont Producers Raw Milk Summit in Bethel VT. What a great group of producers. What a unified organization with progress being made in their legislature. Look for great things to happen soon in VT.
One thing I have to say about race and raw milk…. It is good for the entire human race and raw milk is color blind. Have not found a group of people that could not enjoy raw milk. It is a food for all people unlike pasteurized products whose industry blames certina races for deficiencies found in its products instead of owning the processing deficiencies themselves.
OK, off my soapbox.
Just to be clear, I do not necessarily think that it’s right or wrong for Ron Paul to charge for access to his website. I’ve done lots of unpaid website work in the past out of my own pocket and do understand that it should at least pay for itself.
My recent previous comment about fee vs. free websites or news outlets was just to point out that many many people either can’t afford it or don’t value it highly enough to commit. This inevitably leads to lower membership numbers, a reduction of accessability to important information, and of course in a democracy we need as many people on board as we can muster so it’s a tricky stance.
I do agree that today’s mainstream media is fairly worthless and have already cancelled my Boston Globe subscription and cut way back on our Comcast cable services. There’s enough propaganda out there without having to pay for it and feeding the beast.
If you weren’t able to catch the RP Channel program I mentioned above, you missed David. 8-o)
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/mycorrhizae_and_plant_communication.php
Limiting the presence of microbes in our environment via the direct or indirect invasive and toxic manipulation of plants, animals, fish, soil, and water on the pretense of health, safety and productivity is a gross deception perpetrated by human beings obsessed with control for the sake of greed and self-righteous arrogance.
Its a slippery slope we find ourselves on and the slope is getting slipperier and steeper.
Some look to science, or perhaps religion, and politics as a means to alleviate the problems of this world, and they can indeed without a question constructively do just that. What we seem to fail to grasp however is the phenomenon that truly motivates our actions.
Have mankinds actions to date demonstrated ample respect for the natural order of Gods complex creation and the fact that human beings have been created with a free will, or have we chosen to usurp that natural order and treat human freewill with contempt?
Ken
Mankind has shown, and continues to show, contempt for God, anyone who acts in believe of God and anyone who dares to speak of God.
Dare I say…
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
I believe, and the evidence supports this, that because mankind was formed from the soil, mankind is intricately linked to the soil. As we improve the soil, we improve our health….as we destroy the soil, we destroy our health.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
I no longer eat “seedless” fruits…because God did not create seedless fruit….mankind did. I also discovered that there are anti-cancer properties inside these seeds….take away the seeds, take away one more option of fighting cancer…I find it curious that when I was young, I was told not to eat the apple seeds…they could kill you….grape seeds, apple seeds, peach seeds…I eat them all now…
We have an epidemic of health issues…diabetes, cancer, obesity, heart disease, gut diseases(chrohns, IBD, etc) because mankind has turned away from God and has decided to go it alone….
–bill
We produce small amounts of fresh, unpasteurized milk. Our milk is a healthy, whole food with amazing flavor. We deliver through our MILK SHARE program and sell milk to drop-in customers at our self-serve farmstand in Hinesburg, Vermont, which is always open.
http://www.7dvt.com/2010black-history-hinesburg
Hinesburg’s Black History
Book review: Discovering Black Vermont
By Kevin J. Kelley [05.19.10]
Lincoln Hill is the official name conferred on a lonely corner of Hinesburg in honor of the president who decreed the end of slavery. South Burlington-based historian Elise A. Guyette, in her new book about the black families who farmed and thrived there for 70 years, refers to it simply as the Hill. But for decades, in a less racially sensitive time, it went by the stark name Nigger Hill. A few call it that still.
noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (191989) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists.
but I am curious, which taxes have been slashed to almost zero?
real estate? sales? income? public school “fees”?
–bill
Gordon, Was our progenitor, Jacob white?
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Mr. Watson, you never respond to any questions or comments put to you on the subject of race. Your posts are a knee-jerk reaction to your own “cognitive dissonance”.
Taxes aren’t really economically necessary at all (they’re only for social control), but if they’re to exist, they should all be on property, unearned income, and unproductive hoarding, none on labor or productive commerce.
Corporations, of course, should be abolished completely.
In the 19th century farmers knew all this well. Nowadays, not so well.
Im going to go round this just once more in order to deal with yr taunt, after which it’ll be in the FAQ
One who spends the time to grasp what I actually write, will notice that I focus on how some recent development impacts the Campaign for REAL MILK. I do mention the R-word occasionally, because, in business, in order to know who makes what percentage of the $ in the equation, and why?, its crucial to know = where does the stuff come from? / who are the producers? ||| where does it wind up? / who are the customers?
I dont bother going down the rabbit-hole of bickering about race, farther than that, because my involvement in other political movements taught me = there are people whose job is to wear out the saints. Such people are UNteachable. Jesus Christ warned us not to cast our pearls before swine lest they turn and rend you. If you sincerely want to educate yourself about the issue, Mikey, find out what racial realist Jared Taylor has to say
The cycle of the Israelites is explained in the Bible, and its pattern is obvious in history. Because we forgot one of the prime tenets of the religion given us by Moses : separation from the world : were now at the beginning of the end stage of that cycle = descent into slavery. God Almighty is the ultimate Land Lord. He warns us that letting racial aliens come into territory which Hed allocated to us, white people, allows them to set up their own gods. And here we are in servitude to them. No mere co-incidence that the Star of Remphan is the very symbol of Communism. How did this once-Christian nation wind up with a Mohammedan ensconced in the White House?
The illogical policies to do with raw milk are only one tiny outworking of the communism plan. Meaning : dairying is a prime generator of wealth. In that small holders can prosper without borrowing from the banksters, they can be independent of the usury system, thus, are innately adversaries of the Babylonian Woe. The Bible explains that the Money Power is always mortal enemy of the Israelite race. [ And please : its one human species = homo sapiens = not race. Cow families / breeds of cattle produce after their own kind, and so do the families of the earth]
Children like you, Mikey – oblivious to the wrath to come can still get away with scoffing that the accumulated debt burden is non-sense. But not much longer. I tremble when I remember that our God is just, and his Wrath will not sleep forever.
What all this has to do with raw milk, is : the basic problem is not with the government. Rather, its that what we are suffering is punishment for disobeying the Law of the God of Israel … primarily, despising our racial heritage. At about this point, some fool will remonstrate ; but my Pastor told me the law is done away-with . Yeah, well thats why I keep calling such over-educated dunces hirelings & false teachers / race traitors = same caustic language used by the prophets of old.
I didnt ask for this job. I started out just trying to get some raw milk for myself. Next thing I knew, I was butting heads with the govt. idiots. That forced me to think it through then articulate the larger picture : What we have right before our eyes, is = the fruit of the Vine of Sodom ; the results of the policies of the anti-christ system, contrasted with the joyous superabundance and health we get when we obey the agricultural laws given to us in the Manufacturers handbook. As scary as it is for an ordinary American to be confronted about the race issue, I do not apologize. Im a court-certified religious fanatic, thus what goes up on this forum is Mr Gumpert’s problem, not mine. The role of the prophetic type is to turn the childrens hearts back to the fathers, and the fathers hearts to the children. The Campaign for REAL MILK being a vector for calling true Israel to awaken from her slumber.
Choose ye this day whom you shall serve.
You may not agree with dems or repubs – but Ron Paul has been studying our “wealth” system for many years and I tend to think he knows more about it than you or me. Whether you agree with him or not is your own thing, but I fear he’s right on many levels.
To what do you ascribe as a description, in essence, of a corporation? (Ill take the short version, the proviso is understood that this essential description is severely trimmed for this forum.)
All my rakes are made by corporations that, you say, you wish were abolished.
After those corporations are abolished, what is the essential description of the _______ (yours to fill in) by which means, rakes?
If not rakes, then a STX 75,000 DWT Bulk Carrier.
All the best,
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard
Now that is good news and something we can all appreciate and rejoice in.
politics is the practical outworking of people’s belief system, often called “religion” … the contest for the spoils at the public trough. Headline in yesterday’s paper was “IF FEDERAL GOVT. SUBSIDY ENDS, MILK PRICES WILL SOAR” … about as political as it gets. When Rand Paul is in your neighbourhood, will you tell him that his vote doesn’t matter to what happens in your business?
while you’re there at the Dairy Unit, tell them about ‘co-pulsation milking’. Ask them why they’re NOT using it
we allow our dollar to be devalued.
This is simply an uncomfortable reality check on humans that can not control themselves when provided the Freedom to breed like rabbits.
I love freedoms. But those American freedoms can run havoc with our country when those freedoms are not consciously exercised by considerate and conscious citizens. The same can be said of food safety and freedoms.
These statements don’t put you in a good light Mark.
Gordon, You still didn’t respond to the question. Was our progenitor, Jacob white or black?
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God Almighty is the ultimate Land Lord. He warns us that letting racial aliens come into territory which Hed allocated to us black people, allows them to set up their own gods. And here we are in servitude to them.
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The illogical policies to do with raw milk are only one tiny outworking of the communism plan. Meaning : dairying is a prime generator of wealth. They are not illogical if you know that pharmaceuticals are the prime generator of wealth. Pharmaceuticals and the wealthy families that produce them are the enemies of raw milk and the working man. The doctors and politicians also suffer the same ill-health we do. If there were only some way to point this out to them, maybe we’d have a chance.
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Who ever said the accumulated debt burden is non-sense? Of course it will be a problem some day but thinking you can pay it off with borrowed money is non-sense.
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Your term race traitors is just as ridiculous as the term black on black crime. What do the racial preferences of these so called white race traitors have to do with their raw milk polices?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSUS_MQiJp4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92HjH1GG3ro&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Happy Trick’r Treating.
Once this unconstitutional fourth branch of government is abolished, along with the special rights, exemptions, and corporate welfare that go along with it, humanity will engage in commerce the same way the vast majority of people always have for the vast majority of humanity’s history. In other words, we’ll go back to the natural, normal mode of commerce.
Why do you think we need Dean Foods and the FDA in order to have milk?
I also can’t imagine why a discussion of how money works isn’t important for a blog about community food. On the contrary, it’s a big problem that today’s farmers seem not to understand it.
Obviously the Wall Street-driven system is “broke”, but that has nothing to do with reality except to the extent that we let it control us, for example by taking up the propaganda lie that the dollar being worthless means “we” are broke, when it’s really no one but the 1% who has to be broke.
http://datcp.wi.gov/index.aspx
On the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection’s home page.
at the top click on Food
select WI Food Safety Laws
At the bottom click on Food Regulation in Wisconsin
Or go strait to;
Food Regulation in Wisconsin: Past, Present and Future
http://datcp.wi.gov/uploads/Food/pdf/FoodRegulationInWisconsin.pdf
By
James K. Matson
Legal Counsel
Wisconsin Department of Agriculture,
Trade and Consumer Protection
The sole purpose of Food Regulation in Wisconsin is to protect the consumer from adulteration, misbranding, and unfair business practices.
So of course GMOs must be labeled. But even before GMOs, why were mutated plants never labeled?
Why do you think the new wheat is so toxic?
As for my thoughts, I do not think that we need Dean Foods and the FDA in order to have clean, delicious, raw milk.
I do think that money is a necessity.
I do think that corporations are a necessity.
All the best,
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard
Meanwhile Dean and the FDA would similarly regard your assertion, but from the opposite point of view. If corporate and government bureaucracies need to exist at all, we certainly need them for food production and distribution.
Guide me here if you would, as I work towards an answer, as you might give it, to my question above. In brackets Ive used your words, correctly, I think.
I asked: After those corporations are abolished, what is the essential description of the [natural, normal mode of commerce] [the same way the vast majority of people always have for the vast majority of humanity’s history] by which means, rakes?
Lets pass by farm rakes for now much as I appreciate the variety and utility.
Here (http://gcaptain.com/dalian-delivers-panamax-bulker/) is an image of an STX 75,000 DWT that I referenced. Are these going to be constructed? Just asking.
Is the scenario: no oil, no bulk carriers of this type will be built?
If humanity took a wrong fork, does anyone know where it is? Is there a way to take the other fork, the better fork? It seems, to use oceangoing ships as the example, that better and better ships have been built across the centuries. Navigation techniques and instruments have improved as well. Brahe, Kepler, Newton, Maxwell- this is junk? Somehow contaminated? Is it a crime (against humanity?) to use what they discovered? An historian of science was cited in James Nickels book Mathematics: Is God Silent? (c. 1990) as stating that the history of science across the globe is more a study of debris fields of science gone awry until the Judeo-Christian understanding regarding the creation and the creator appeared. Only then was systematic study sustained. You see the result in the sciences. The bell-curve seems applicable everywhere you look, almost as though it is a law of nature, if so, the vast majority of people for the vast majority of humanitys history is going to get you? Squat.
All the best,
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard
Why write an article on a subject you know nothing about? This is a question that Amia Srinivasan might usefully have asked herself. . . .
The whole is found here: http://mises.org/daily/6573/How-The-New-York-Times-Got-Libertarianism-Wrong-Yet-Again
h/t: http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/
Have a wonderful weekend,
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard
But I fail to see why doing anything requires special government-created entities bestowing special rights and special immunities from responsibility for the people carrying out actions. Why are you so opposed to personal responsibility?
As for what you dismiss as “squat”, it’s simply all the work that’s ever actually been done in the world, and the infinite giant upon whose shoulders the “big names” of whom you’re so enamored were microbes.
But yours is the same microscope Monsanto uses to justify its patents, where its worthless “innovation” is a speck upon the Everest of ten thousand years of crop breeding, which never required corporations or patents for those ten thousand years.
The fact stands: Humanity doesn’t need these artifices of big government, and would be better off without them.
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15121-argentines-link-health-problems-to-agrochemicals
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15130-high-levels-of-glyphosate-residues-found-in-argentine-soy
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AllNamesTaken, 9 hours ago
Just saw on Facebook where the independent lab testing the McBees sent off has come back clear of pathogens.
You put words in my mouth.
Asking a question would be better.
I would like to pick this up later but not just now.
I will not have the time to continue this discussion on my end for a while.
Ingvar
To all,
The private/public issue; the right to choose healthy food; the right to free association; the right to life; the right to liberty; the right to pursue happiness, these undergird EVERYTHING and must be clearly delineated, maintained, respected, understood, and handed over in good or even better working order to succeeding generations, in my opinion. Victories will be shabby in the end otherwise. We must find a way to work these things into the warp and woof of our efforts. I suspect that we are on a road to not just recover lost things but to discover new, even better things in these areas of concern. God bless you all.
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard