Food safety regulators in New Zealand stuck their collective fingers in the air and concluded that maybe there is something to this raw milk thing. Beginning next March, raw milk will be legal to sell directly from farms to consumers, including via home deliveries, with no restrictions on quantities. No re-sales, such as via retail, will be allowed.
In a candid press release, New Zealand’s Minister of Food Safety, Jo Goodhew, said, “I recognise that people feel strongly about their right to buy and drink raw milk. Equally, I am also aware of the strong concerns about the public health risks associated with drinking raw milk and the potential risk to New Zealand’s food safety reputation.We have worked hard to find the right balance between managing the risks to public health while recognising the demand from rural and urban consumers to access raw milk.”
New Zealand dairy farmers have been severely limited, officially, to daily sales of five liters, which is just over a gallon.
The new decision was clearly influenced by a survey the government carried out last year of New Zealand raw milk drinkers and consumers, in which nearly 90% of more than 2,000 respondents said raw milk sales should be a matter of personal choice. The survey also showed that 40% of the raw milk the respondents said they were consuming was going to children, the elderly, and immune-suppressed individuals.
Dairy farmers who want to sell raw milk under the new requirements will need to register with the government, and will be subject to inspections and testing for pathogens, according to the press release: “Under the new policy, farmers must meet requirements such as registering with the Ministry for Primary Industries, meeting hygiene requirements, testing milk for pathogens, keeping records of sales, and labelling appropriately so consumers are aware of the risks and can make informed decisions about consuming raw milk.”
The New Zealand decision appears part of an international trend to relax restrictions on raw milk. There has been discussion of an easing of restrictions in the United Kingdom. And even in the U.S., there is now open discussion in the mainstream media that enforcement of raw milk regulations has eased up significantly, notably from the state that has long set the anti-raw-milk regulatory tone—Wisconsin.
Is the day approaching when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control formally endorse a similar easing of American restrictions? I’m not holding my breath, but imagine that the process may already be under way, in a quiet, almost stealth, mode, so no one has to admit to errors, miscalculations, and misdeeds.
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COMMENT BY mark mcafee:
Great work. I am always impressed with your ability to break the raw milk news and write about things first here at TCP. For several years I have been closely working with activists in Australia to assist in their real fight for legal access to raw milk.,..it is a real battle. I would appear that this move by New Zealand predicts the changes that are about to also happen in Australia and then given a little time…perhaps Canada and BC specifically. When ever a British colony makes a change….that change reverberates through out the Kingdom. I will be in Australia in October and look forward to see how this NZ effort has impacted Australia. A nice study and investigation of consumers feelings about raw milk seems to have gone along ways to make this change happen. Funny how that works!!
It does sound like RAWMI could have a real place in NZ very soon. We have already been working with some activists on just this issue already. In our efforts to share our RAWMI protocols and information with State of CA regulators, we are meeting with them today to share our programs and further create cooperation and good will. I find it fascinating, that during SB 201 hearings held in Sac in 2008 by then Senator Dean Florez, Dr. Linda Harris from UC Davis called it right. She said that a better raw milk program would include a “comprehensive food safety program and not just a test of coliforms one time per month”. The RAWMI program did exactly what Dr. Linda Harris testimony recommended. So far so good….it has been very effective. All of the dairies that have adopted the RAWMI RAMP program have held their levels of indictor bacteria to low levels and have learned to control conditions and reduce risks…. consistently every day of the month…not just testing day. At RAWMI…every day is a test day!! RAWMI sets the standard for what happens on the other 29 days of the month!
Compliments to Dr. Linda Harris ( UC Davis food safety expert ). I think she even went on to work at the federal level to assist with other emerging food safety threats. Although Dr. Harris is a humble PHD, she got this one right and I will forever appreciate her call to support SB 201, even though SB 201 passed both houses of CA legislature….it died because of pressures from BIG DAIRY and politics at the “governators” desk on the last minutes of the session. This also goes to show….that even though a law failed to pass…it can be adopted voluntarily as the standard regardless of politics. Who needs laws when morals, ethics, RAWMI and good people can initiate good change all by themselves!!
COMMENT BY David Gumpert:
Good point about the British Commonwealth countries falling into line. The Australian authorities are a bit of a mystery, though–they used some illnesses to stir up a ban-raw-milk effort last year, and I’m not sure where that stands. But it certainly makes the latest move from neighboring New Zealand a hopeful development.
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
Speaking of New Zealand… I’m not sure why some people would give milk powder drinks to their infants, but evidently there’s a lot of money to be made on it. No mention made of the quality of the water which I presume is added to the powder, or the process to reduce the to powder form. I guess there are places and circumstances when it might be the best if not only choice but to me it would be a last resort. But hey, if it’s grass fed “the perceived health benefits compared with milk from grain-fed cows” might sway a lot of people.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/18/us-synlait-milk-usa-idUSKBN0OY08920150618?feedType=nl&feedName=healthNews
COMMENT BY mark mcafee:
Ora….
The fact is that nutritional enlightenment is not evenly distributed or evenly appreciated around the world. Also…nutritional decline is not as advanced in all places. It would appear to me that powered dry milk is a convenience issue and also an ignorance issue.
Our team meeting with state regulators went very well today. Lets just say that organic retail raw milk food safety has made huge strides in the last 16 years.
COMMENT BY Ken Conrad:
You Americans, albeit somewhat of a wild card, never truly acquired your independence. You’re still more or less a member of the “British” global colonial system; fiscally speaking that is visa vie the Federal Reserve.
“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.”
Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
in New Zealand REAL MILK has always been legal for sale from the farm gate, in small quantity for personal use. What’s happened lately, is : living on the largest dairy farm on the planet – the Kiwis let common sense dictate public policy. What a concept!
… I’m NOT in favour of more govt. oversight, but … as a recovering perfectionist … I can live with a regulatory scheme such as about to be implemented there .
…No mere co-incidence this happened in a nation ~97 % white people. The food / agricultural laws of the Bible are just one of many fronts on which Caucasians are awakening to our racial heritage ; if you want to drive a lib-tard “around the bend’, just calmly tell her that “DNA is destiny”
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
Wait… Gordon are you saying that black/brown/yellow/white people are that much different in their food and milk preferences if they actually have a choice? Or just that the politicians representing them have different agendas. What about Iceland where it’s about 97% or greater white, what are the milk laws there I wonder, and India where they worship cows. I tried to offer some of our overflow eggs to my Indian neighbor and he declined because he’s a vegetarian, due to religion not diet or nutrition values.
Recovering perfectionists sounds like a great name for a rock band. Or Sugarcubes, my birthday is coming up.
COMMENT BY Lynn_M:
It seems unbelievable that this could happen in our country: http://www.naturalnews.com/050125_Oregon_government_ranchers_local_agriculture.html
Ranchers Ava Denton and Ross Painter were turned into criminals for following better-than-industry-standard ranching practices.
I thought perhaps Mike Adams was sensationalizing the story, but this is what the ranchers themselves say: http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/blog/2015/06/09/ranchers-are-not-criminals-for-now/#answers The ranchers faced a June 11 bond payment or forfeiture of animals seized from them. I don’t know how that turned out.
Their story isn’t about raw milk per se, but criminalization of ranchers for animal husbandry practices is relevant to anyone concerned about availability of raw milk.
COMMENT BY D. Smith:
@ Ora: I just recently read an article which said that people of different nationalities can react different to raw milk. I assume that means raw milk of any kind, goat, camel or cow or whatever. Remember during the Korean War they used some drug that one group of people reacted badly to and it didn’t affect the others at all in the same manner? Primaquin (sp?) or something like that. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks on that.
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
yes, as I’ve set out on this forum, ad nauseum : I certainly do say that one of the differences in genetic traits between the races, is : ability to make lactase into adulthood. One of the “evolutionary advantages” * of white folks, is = being able to use milk, i.e.. a form of wealth converted from dirt + vegetation + sunshine, by domestic cattle … little “factories on 4 legs”. …. * of course I do NOT accept the non-sense of over-educated idiots, re “the theory of evolution”
….Anticipating the usual knee-jerk reaction to me telling the truth, that I’m “raycisssss” … Correct-a=mundo! Since the last time we beat ’round this particular bush, I now use the term “race realist”. So save your time from slagging, me … It’s the human species. Got that? in which the variety of races is a fact. Not the “social construct” as the Marxists will have you believe
… as for the refusal to eat eggs : the Scriptures of the white race tell us that “vegetarian-ism is a doctrine of devils”.
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
Gordon, I’m in no shape to debate specie evolutionary advantages or racial superiorities or realism, but these guys were for your enjoyment
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
D, remember that nationality is geographic and a completely different beast than race but as they say at the end of the day we are all mutts no matter where we live or were born.
I do not remember the Korean war, and today’s kids will have a tough time remembering any war in particular since there are so many the USA is involved in the last couple of decades. You would think the war on drugs would target pharmaceuticals right? Wrong backwards. Teach your children.
COMMENT BY Sylvia Gibson:
Korea was not a “war”, it was a conflict, so says the powers that be. IMHO it was a war. It is also referred as the “Forgotten War”. Of the 3 wars my dad was in, it is the one that he has nightmares about the most. Most Americans have no idea of how many wars/conflicts our country has been involved in.
The school system was on the decline when I was in eons ago. I can look back and say my education was lacking. I now understand why my mother pushed us to learn the things left out from school and to think for ourselves and outside that box.
With our mobile times, the various races are scattered throughout the world. People are not a one size fits all and the establishment keeps trying to put everyone in the same box and of course we all don’t fit.
COMMENT BY Sylvia Gibson:
Primaquine for malaria
http://www.malariajournal.com/content/13/1/418
I vaguely recall the MASH episode about the malaria meds. One of my favorite old shows. I think this link explains it well;
https://anthrou.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/mash-season-9-episode-16-the-redwhite-blues/
There are many drugs RX’d that affect people of different racial makeup differently.
Here is another: https://books.google.com/books?id=S359AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=Primaquine+and+race&source=bl&ots=C3I-PE4vmQ&sig=ZZh7mQfOqh2P8Grn12_OMIMX18o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eIqFVff_L9S3yATA9am4AQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Primaquine%20and%20race&f=false
COMMENT BY D. Smith:
The deal in Korea was actually, at least initially, referred to as a “police action”. Whenever we hear it referred to, however, it’s called the Korean War. Apparently it really was the forgotten war – Ora says he doesn’t remember it at all!
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
D, I looked it up and the Korean war happened between 1950-53, before I was born and my family did not come to the USA until 1967 so no surprise I do not remember it. I do remember Vietnam since I was afraid I’d get sent over there even though I was not a citizen at the time I had to register for the draft.
When and if we ever wean off our thirst for petroleum, the involvement in overseas wars will like slow to a trickle but the milk will continue to flow.
COMMENT BY D. Smith:
@ Ora: I wasn’t born until 1953 and I remember learning about this in school. Just because you didn’t live in america doesn’t mean a thing – this was history and should have been taught no matter where you went to school. Imagine there being a crack in the world-wide education system, by golly. I guess I thought you said you were in your 60’s – thought I remembered reading that in one of your posts here.
Wars will be perpetual from now on, because that is the way our gubmint has set it up. WADC continues to hail us as a superpower and we are no such thing. The war isn’t really about petroleum – that is just a convenient excuse. The war is about money. ALL wars are about money and how many ways our officials can figure out to make it look as though they’re using our tax money wisely. For our protection, doncha know. What a crock. It’s much more about lining the pockets of the already rich, not protecting you and me. I could give you a list of web sites as long as your arm if you were interested in reading the true stories about what’s going on with our DOD, not the side they show us.
COMMENT BY D. Smith:
@ Sylvia: There was a MASH episode about malaria and primaquine? Cool. Maybe others are more aware of this than I realize because MASH did have a large viewing audience, no question about that. Thanks for the links. I thought I remembered reading somewhere long ago that different ethnic groups had problems with this one specific drug but not it’s countermate, chloroquine. Or vice versa. I’m not Lebanese or whatever so it didn’t really interest me enoughat the time to do any follow up searching, I guess.
** @Ken: Sylvia has managed to dig up a couple of great links and posted them at my forum about vaccination stats – I know you would be interested in seeing them. Maybe David could get those to you somehow. I even told Sylvia I thought you’d be happy to have them in your vax arsenal! They really contain some excellent information.
COMMENT BY Or a Moose:
Quick primer on the differences between American education system and the rest of the world: in the 50’s and 60’s, we only had one TV station that operated only in the evenings and was government run. We had military training as part of the primary school program, marching, standing at attention, and going to church a couple of times a week mandatory. There was no alternative media, so the official propaganda rarely got challenged no one would dare. Also, what history and current events they taught in schools was almost entirely about the Portuguese colonial wars in Angola, Mozambique and various other small territories which we controlled in those days. I didn’t even know America existed until some of our family moved here, and history was the most difficult subject in school because it was all new to me. (btw, I am now 60)
As you probably already know, water is quickly becoming the new petroleum just ask anyone in California or the Southwest (or Mark.) And I agree on the “police protectionism” to be honest I am way much more afraid of overzealous cops and lawyers than I am of the average Joe on the streets. Then again, I live kind of out in the woods and not in the city but I think the mindset would still be the same. Cops need to justify their own job existence so don’t get caught in the cross hairs. And yes it is always about the money, or food and drink or lack thereof. Just wait until they set in motion the plans for depopulation of the planet, guess who will suffer most of those consequences be ready and self sufficient.
Here is a little satire ditty I wrote almost 20 years ago that will help explain my perspective of the justice system, enjoy!
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ugo/jail.html
COMMENT BY Sylvia Gibson:
Gee Ora, That sounds like the Catholic military school my husband went to in Texas. Except, they didn’t have a TV, or I should say, it wasn’t allowed?
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
This conversation started my little brain operating to recall the TV shows I watched when we first arrived in the US, and now I realize many of them were based on social mind control and military propaganda disguised as entertainment. F Troop, McHale’s Navy, MASH, Hogan’s Heroes, Gomer Pyle: USMC, The Rat Patrol etc.
COMMENT BY Ora Moose:
I’m not taking cides in this here argument.
“What exactly is so different about today’s dairy products compared to those of yesteryear? Whereas it used to be the simple process of milking a cow who just fed on a whole bunch of natural grass and hay, there is now a whole different system in place.”
http://naturalsociety.com/dairy-allergies-why-do-so-many-children-suffer-from-them/#ixzz3dib6nlqv
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
On a somewhat related note, bottlenose dolphins are kept imprisoned in swimming pools in the US and around the world for the amusement of humans. They are forced to do tricks to receive food. They are mammals like us.
What they didn’t teach you in school is that dolphins’ brains are larger than ours and by any measure they are extremely intelligent and ethical beings. A woman once told me about how her mother, who was a professional swimmer, got caught in a riptide out in the ocean, and a group of dolphins came to her aid, forming a wall of sorts with their bodes, to alter the current so the woman didn’t drown. There are actually tons of stories like this.
Anyway, the fact that humans today imprison these amazing beings for their amusement pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with this sick global system that imprisons us all. Humans are just ever more disconnected from the Universe. As the human population continues to explode out of control, with more roads, more fields, more housing developments, more parking lots, more tuna nets, more pollution… ( I was going to post this video about these traditional Natives trying to save what’s left of the Everglades, talking about this, more barbed wire, more roads, more power plants, more canals to drain the Everglades to grow food, …) well it all interrelates, factory farms forcing animals to live in horrid conditions, more and more antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, corporate farming, trying to “conquer” Nature…
It’s kind of overwhelming to think about it all. Dolphins have a lot to teach about living in harmony. I hope the people currently imprisoning them for shows are put in prison. I believe India recently passed a law against this kind of abomination.
COMMENT BY D. Smith:
@ Ora: The part of my post concerning education around the world was meant to be facitious. It’s just a shame history is so distorted is what I was getting at, just didn’t say it well. I agree with Sylvia – what you had that passed for schooling sounds a lot like a parochial education here in america.
Our gubmint is using any and everything as the *new petroleum* for war these days. Depopulating the planet has been in the works for a long time, using vaccines and all types of various methods for “control”. Makes a person sick to their stomach when you get to really investigating all the ways we’re being shackled. Just look at the regulations, for instance. Do you feel we aren’t already in prision?
We are. There just aren’t any noticeable bars on the windows. Don’t know if you’ve seen this or not, Ora, but if you haven’t it might interest you: http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/16750-sustainable-development-the-evil-facing-america
COMMENT BY Sylvia Gibson:
I can’t see any type of propaganda from those shows. F Troop? Really? A bungling Capt (wasn’t he? Palmer?) as for the Sgt (O rhoke?)and other soldiers, they were rather stupid and clumsy too. They also attempted to break the rules and failed, usually from their own stupidity. They other shows weren’t much better.
Something to laugh at, their silliness. I never watched The Rat Patrol. I guess being an army brat, I knew they were no where near like the military and not to be taken seriously.
I don’t know what propaganda you saw and I know both my parents would have said something had they saw any type of propaganda.
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
The imprisonment of dolphins by deranged groups like SeaWorld and Brookfield Zoo, and the outlawing of real milk, actually go hand in hand. Both these grotesque actions are part of the establishment’s attempt to totally alienate humanity from Nature. And they’ve done a heck of a job. I haven’t watched tv in 35 years but it’s going constantly here where I’m currently at, and I notice every other commercial is one of these sleazy drug companies telling the viewers how they need to put some weird drug into their body, in effect saying that if you are ill you must have a deficiency of pharmaceutical drugs. Outside there is a little lake and the people around here love to “fish”, where they catch fish, not to eat them, but throw the wounded fish back in the water, “catch and release”. Wounding animals for kicks. Neat.
Once in a while a beautiful heron flies in, and walks into the shallow water, and plunges his beak into the water and always comes out with a fish, which he then eats. The contrast between the wisdom and elegance of the heron, and the moronic yahoos “fishing” in boats and off piers on the same lake, is striking, and really disturbing.
There’s a two mile by two mile natural area near here, that was saved from “development” by largely the efforts of one man. It’s one of the last remaining patches of native Illinois prairie. I was helping that man remove invasive species several years back and he told me only 7/100’s of one percent of Illinois native prairie remains. When I drove thru Illinois recently I saw that virtually the entire state is covered with one variety of corn, I’m sure it’s gmo and goes to feed factory farmed animals.
It was oceans and oceans of this stuff, every direction. But this little two mile by two mile fen area here has been protected from this onslaught of overpopulation and corporate farming. These beautiful foxes sometimes sneak thru back yards from the fen to the lake here, avoiding dogs and crazed humans. They are so beautiful and smart, how they survive in such an altered landscape I do not know. Again the contrast is stunning, God’s creatures so well designed and in synch with the Universe, and these psycho humans spraying chemicals on their lawns to grow grass faster to throw it out…
As humans continue to sanitize their food, maladapting their systems to the Nature all around us, as they pump weird chemical vaccine cocktails into their kids, and flood the fields, rivers and lakes with weird poisons, and contaminate the pollen in the airs with weird corporate engineered frankenfoods, and continue to exterminate the other species from the planet, filling the oceans with radiation from nuclear power plants, filling the oceans with sludge from drilling oil in open waters, cutting down the last of the world’s pristine forests… where is this path leading humanity? Hey let’s go watch our larger brained cousins of the sea, the dolphins, go shoot basketballs in the swimming pool their locked in at the zoo. Yippeee.
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
Just went to check that number I cited for remaining Illinois prairie and I found even the government admits to that:
” Although Illinois still is known as the Prairie State, less than one-tenth of one percent of Illinois’ original 21 million acres of prairie remains. What once was a vast sea of rich prairie now survives only as tiny, isolated patches. Many species of prairie plants and animals have either disappeared or are in rapid decline due to loss of habitat.” taken from: https://www.nationalforests.org/who-we-are/our-impact/midewin
As I type this they have the radio going and I can hear that crank Rush Limbaugh, the guy that tells his listeners that Nature is doing better than ever… I guess that pretty much sums it up. A guy who starts wars others have to fight, but refused to go himself when he was of age, just like Bill O’Reilly, Michael Savage, Dennis Miller, and the rest of those sleazy media conmen. And they have millions of listeners. It’s beyond human comprehension.
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
no, it’s not “beyond human comprehension” … yours, maybe as of this moment. Read the Bible some time, and ALL of it…. once you begin to educate yerself as to the Mind of Christ, the overall plan that God has for His Kingdom when it’s established here on this planet. and for your tiny mortal, self, will come into focus. Eye has not seen nor the mind of man imagined, the things that God has in store for those who love Him”. Quit publishing boasts about the works of the Adversary. Our God – Jesus Christ – is not going to let his handiwork be destroyed
One of the big promises given to Christians is ; that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all understanding. Do you want that, or not? Or do you prefer to thrash-around in a worry-pit ’til you die?
… The quote that helped me get out of the rut I was in, in the Jesuit falseflag op / so-called “Pro-Life Movement” = was : “the immature man is willing to die for his cause. The mature man is willing to live for his cause”
… where does that leave you, Mister Culhane? How much REAL MILK have you delivered, lately, to people who want and need it? Perpetual kvetchers just spiral-down to poverty and wind up in the company de les miserables
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
Gordon why do you always pick my posts to clog up? I post things here that you will find nowhere else. They don’t teach that dolphins’ brains are larger than ours in the scam school system. or scam media, or scam religion networks, because then the theory that Earth is here for the amusement and to be the dumping ground for one species, ours, starts to fall apart.
I don’t wallow in the bad news. I just tried for the third time in 10 years to form a simple 25 person community so we can produce our own raw milk, food, etc etc, and still people are so spaced out I never even got it to the talking stage. So I can either live 24/7 with some goats 45 miles out from Gainesville… or continue to have to pay others for my food. And yes in the interim I will continue to post basic info that most are clueless about, to help the cause.
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
you don’t really want an answer to that question … you’d rather we get down and wallow with you in yr pity~party. Well – as my old man used to say – “count me out”
…. your Bucket o’ complaints is hardly a newsflash to participants in this forum. You cannot do EVERYthing, but you can do SOMEthing. Strikes me that you’re the kind who’s so full of pride in his own intellect, you’re dooming yourself to wander-around in the desert-of-your-own-making, for a few more decades. My calling is : to give dunces like you a short sharp smack alongside the head with a verbal 2 by 4, so as to wake you up so you can grow up. Not exactly the way to win friends, but, if you were to actually read the Bible, you’d soon find out that guys like me have the duty to dish out the tough love, when conditions get this bad, as we head on down to the pigsty stage of the parable of the Prodigal Son, in the classic cycle of the Israel-ite nation
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
Gordon, I don’t know if you’re half mad as you come across to be, or deliberately clog up this blog.
Just in case my previous post got buried, here’s a passage worth repeating:
“As I type this they have the radio going and I can hear that crank Rush Limbaugh, the guy that tells his listeners that Nature is doing better than ever… I guess that pretty much sums it up. A guy who starts wars others have to fight, but refused to go himself when he was of age, just like Bill O’Reilly, Michael Savage, Dennis Miller, and the rest of those sleazy media conmen…”
As far as your idea of using establishment false religions for guidance, here’s a passage from the bible:
Exodus 21:7 “And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.”
Gordon, I don’t care what the establishment told you, you don’t have the right to sell people into slavery. Now you need to grow up. We are in an extreme situation on this planet. It’s not about wallowing in self pity, it’s about being aware of what’s really going on, to protect ourselves, and to be in synch with the Universe so we access our true powers and guidance. The raw milk struggle is part of a much bigger struggle. You can’t be three years old your whole life. Stop blindly trusting in establishment false religion and make the effort to access the guidance within. Good luck.
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
A perfect example of how the Biblical illiterate – that’s you, Tomm Culhane – seizes some detail of the Law of God, to rail about, out of context. Slavery is one of the IN-evitable consequences of rebellious-ness. Best for-instance, being, the US of A … so deep in debt that it’s impossible to repay. The borrower is servant to the lender’ … do you deny that we = white Christians in American = are in a form of slavery to the racial aliens who hold our bonds? “Bondage” : get it ?
….Little do you know that the maidservant in that citation above, is a type of Israel. “Sold for nothing”, yet destined to be redeemed by her near-kinsman, Jesus Christ. Of course that won’t make sense to you in your studied ignorance.
…. as for “the guidance within”. One thing we do know fersure, is “the heart ( of man) is desperately wicked, who can know it?” So if that’s what you’re relying on, you’re doomed. Someone has to tell you the Truth, whether you receive it, or not
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
“So if that’s what you’re relying on, you’re doomed. Someone has to tell you the Truth, whether you receive it, or not.”
Gordon, people can tell you anything. You’re still the one deciding what’s true and what isn’t. Now based on past comments you’ve made, you seem to understand that the government is a complete scam, that these wars they create are complete scams, that the major media is a complete scam, and the school system, and these monopoly corporations… So why on earth would you assume the State religions came thru pure?
Common sense tells us to expect the State religions imposed on people around the world, as children, are also scams, and they are. And I’ll explain here how it works:
Mathew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
Now Gordon, ask yourself this? If your neighbor has a really sexy wife, and you covet her sexually, do you have any choice in the matter? Answer: No. Desiring a person sexually is not a choice, it’s an automatic response to a stimulus. You can tell yourself a million times you don’t desire her but you still will. You can’t unchoose something you never chose. The desire may go underground (“denial”) but it’s still there unconsciously.
If you’re working out in the yard sweating, all dehydrated, and your neighbor comes out with a cool pitcher of water, you are going to covet that water. It’s a biological drive. You have no choice in the matter.
So what the bad guys are up to is they are trying to cut you off from your feelings, divide and conquer your mind, make you terrified of God, by giving you rules to follow that are physiologically impossible to follow.
Now you should want the opposite, an integrated mind, in touch with your feelings, with a good connection to the Creator within.
The reason priests and preachers molest children is because they are cut off from their sexual feelings from these false religious teachings, their sex energy builds up under the surface, they become vulnerable to obsessional influences, lose control of themselves, and end up raping children. When you mess with Nature, bad things can happen. This is exactly what the establishment wants, peoples’ minds deformed, out of kilter, making it easier to enslave and manipulate them. People in tune with the Creator within are not going to go along with these scam wars, etc etc.
This is another reason they are exterminating Nature, to remove outside reality checks. For example, I mentioned bottlenose dolphins, they are our closest relative brain wise, and they are a free love species. They are lusting after others constantly, even other species, for example if you swim with them you will find this out. This is how God has designed things. Bonobos are our closest relative body wise. They are also free love, have same gender sex, and all kinds of variety and partners. That’s why the establishment blacks them out, most Americans don’t even know what a bonobo is.
If you look at who the most evil people on this planet are, such as the mass murderer Sean Hannity, you see he extremely sexually repressed. I once heard him saying how he was offended that woman at the Occupy movement were going topless. Now deep within he isn’t offended at beauty, but the establishment monkeywrenched his mind. So his sex energy is all bottled up inside and comes out in a perverted way, calling for War War War… All the children he crippled for life, all the torture chambers he supports… he has no remorse whatsoever for this, because he is emotionally dead due to false religious teaching. He is an out of control robot.
The mas murderer Bill O’Reilly, same thing. I can’t get away from these cranks because my relatives have their propaganda shows going here 24/7. I once saw O’Reilly taking up time on his show to aire a clip of two female musicians kissing on stage in an extended way. This is how sick O’Reilly’s mind is. He’s “offended” at the idea of humans touching, and all his blocked up sex energy comes out fueling cries for more War War War. (Not for himself though, he refused to volunteer for Viet Nam, even though he volunteers everyone else’s sons for war).
So Gordon, there’s Good and there’s Evil, and you better make an effort to understand the difference. You’re not going to win points with the True God by blinding trusting in establishment religions. God expects a bit more of us than that.
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
our God promises us that part of our inheritance in Amer Reich | Kingdom of Heaven in the Gothic language, | is : milk and honey. Thus, all your verbosity is worthless wind … what I saw people doing in the various political issues in which I was involved = displacing internal angst outwardly, so as to evade looking inside. The battle is in the mind, Tomm Culhane, and you’re losing. My guess is that facilitator David Gumpert has already warned you that the focus of this forum is : politics of REAL MILK. We’re here to discuss solutions, not trudge-around with one foot nailed to the floor.
… as for your attempts to start up a cowshare : confer with the children’s story of Henny Penny : she had to quit soliciting help from people who lacked imagination, and did it herself. Get back to us when you’ve accomplished that much.
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
re “cowshares”, my project is at a more fundamental level. Big Brother has not yet got to the point where having your own vegetable garden is called a commercial enterprise when you eat the food yourself. Same thing if you have your own goat. So if 25 people would act in unison, buying land adjacent to each other, using an “association” for group areas, similar to condos, … you could take it to the next level, without the need for any “cowshare” legal arrangements I would think. (is it legal for my goat to graze on my neighbor’s land?).
And if Big Brother did come after us, 25 people standing on a corner with signs and handouts explaining how Big Brother won’t even let you drink you own goat’s milk… could reach a lot of the local population, and in fact inspire them to form their own 25 person groups.
But doing it alone with five acres, as I have had to do, is not the same thing. Your neighbors rob you, you have to be there every day, you have no privacy from the local yahoos, the price of a well is 25 times the group price, etc etc. People need to regroup, but they need to heal their minds first.
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
“…The use of grazing on the prairie has two primary functions: restoration and maintanence. Grazers can be used as a technique in early restoration to reduce the survival of some species and thereby increase species diversity by allowing others to compete (Vinton, Hartnett, Finck, Briggs 1993). After the prairie has become established, grazers can have significant effects on species composition and structure (Vinton, Hartnett, Finck, Briggs 1993). Grazers can be used as maintenance on areas where fire may not be feasible because the area is urban, small, and/or public concerns outweigh the use of fire as management. Finally, the use of grazing management along with fire can be successful in recreating a truly historical native prairie.”
taken from: http://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/58830/2.5.Henrichs.pdf?sequence=1
I’ve written about how “the Prairie State”, Illinois, has had 99.93 % of its prairie overrun and apparently that’s not enough for most people they’d like to see even more overpopulation. In case anyone comes along here and reads my posts, what I have been advocating is that we move in the opposite direction, and heal the Earth and live in balance. What I’ve quoted here, the basic idea, is that grazers, whether bison, or cows or goats… can be used to help restore native prairie and maintain it.
So, for example, if you could find 25 people to act in unison, each buys five acres and keeps title, but done in unison, where each agrees to preserve most of their land and give right of trespass to the rest of the group, then you could have a large nature preserve, and graze dairy cow/buffalo/goats … and reap the benefits of raw milk, real grassfed meat, etc., while at the same time restoring a place for the native birds, insects, plants and animals can live. It’s called win-win. You also then have created a buffer keeping the yahoos in check who are trying to squeeze ever more sardines in the sardine can (overpopulation) harming everyone else.
Abundance has already been provided for us. We can reclaim the ancient foods, ancient medicines, healing plants of the prairie etc., heal our minds and live in synch with the Universe and thereby access our true potential, which is the key to getting out of the global rat trap we are caught in.
My one month ad at fellowship for intentional community is about to expire, and I got a grand total of zero responses for the 25 person community idea. That’s not the first time this has happened over the 10 years I have tried it. But, you never know when people might start waking up and decide to do things the easy way instead of the hard way.
COMMENT BY Gordon S Watson:
this particular post – and your whole approach to dairying, Mr Culhanne – reminds me of the old joke about “the dismal science”, ie economics. A committee of economists was appointed to dig a hole in the ground. The chairman says “let us suppose we have a shovel”
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
Mr Watson, there’s a tape online you can listen to, a well known goat farmer, he pays attention to vacant fields he sees when driving, overgrown with “weeds”, and talks to the owners and grazes his goats there, for free, clearing the land, and turning the weeds into food. The goats are really healthy because they have a great variety of food to eat and can pick out what they like. So I don’t get your false analogy.
COMMENT BY tommculhane:
Here’s the link to the interview with this goat farmer I mentioned, it starts around the 7 minute mark, I think people here will find Mike Canaday interesting:
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-910-mike-canaday-on-grazing-goats-electric-fencing-and-working-dogs
A lot of his information could be applied to a 100 acre Nature preserve a group of 25 could create.