The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has had no hesitancy about spending taxpayer dollars to promote its viewpoint that raw milk is a mortal danger. A couple years back, I called the FDA on its practice, after it spent nearly $2,500 with a press release service to put out single warning on a slow-news weekend about possible illnesses at a private food club from raw milk, long after any possible threat had passed.
The hidden agenda behind the press release was clearly propaganda. It had nothing to do with safety or science.
The people in the academic community who feed off the FDAs largesse with grants and such understand what is going on in such cases, which is why it is vaguely amusing to see one of them genuflecting about “PR stunts” in connection with a press release issued about the work of researcher Nadine Ijaz, which actually encourages serious discussion about the risks associated with raw milk.
Ijaz made a well-received evidence review on unpasteurized milk at the British Columbia (Canada) Centre for Disease Control (BC CDC). Her research debunks raw milk health and safety claims across all sides of the debate. It was picked up by the Wall Street Journal thanks to a media release from the Weston A. Price Foundation. This kind of exposure represents a wonderful opportunity for sincere scientific debate based on actual evidence or so Ijaz thought.
But, of course, discussion is the last thing some food safety professionals in the academic and government orbit seem to want. Anyone who advocates such a rational approach tends to be shot down, such as in this case, with terms like astrology and conspiracy theories and scientifically-sounding garble.’ This arrogant academic said he decided to `leave it to others to comment on the uh, unique interpretations of risk assessment`. So much for scientific rigour.
Ijaz is an independent researcher with expertise and training in the transdisciplinary analysis of integrative health care issues. She has taught at professional schools in her field since 2001, including courses in scientific research methods. She was previously staff nutritionist at Canada’s premiere integrative medical cancer care centre. Ijaz has pursued a scholarly interest in questions around unpasteurized milk and industrial dairying over the last fifteen years, and her current work represents a synthesis of this research. Her work on unpasteurized milk is currently under consideration for peer-review publication.
What follows is Ijazs rebuttal to the academics post, offering accurate detail on the contents of the BC CDC presentation.
By Nadine Ijaz
In my BC CDC Grand Rounds presentation of May 16, 2013 entitled Unpasteurized milk: myths and evidence, I reviewed a substantial number of peer-reviewed studies to deconstruct myths propagated on various sides of the raw milk debate. In that presentation, I employed evidence-based perspectives towards a balanced critique of raw milk consumer claims as well as those presented by North American public health bodies. My goal is to begin depoliticizing the raw milk debate and to bring a higher standard of scientific rigour to this long-controversial subject.
My evidence review concluded that while little evidence substantiates several common raw milk consumer claims, neither is raw milk as uniquely hazardous today as it was in the 1930s. While acknowledging the ongoing value of pasteurization as a public health intervention, I systematically deconstructed what appears to be a fundamental and unprecedented bias against unpasteurized milk in the scientific literature and by public health bodies. I also critically examined recent evidence around the proposed protective effects of raw farm milk on the development of atopic conditions in young children, as well as evidence pertaining to industrial milk processing`s possible health impacts.
I received the invitation from the BC Centre for Disease Control to present Grand Rounds, after Dr. Tom Kosatsky attended a previous lecture I gave on similar subjects.As I disclosed in my presentation to the BC CDC, my research is independent and unfunded; although I do personally advocate for regulatory reform on this issue in Canada. My advocacy on this issue is informed both by scientific evidence, as by my civil liberties concerns regarding Canadas absolute prohibition on raw milk access for non-farmers, unique across G-8 nations.
In my BC CDC presentation, I certainly did not use evidence to promote raw milk consumption per se as implied in a recent BarfBlog post; I regard this as a matter of personal choice. The only cause I scientifically advocated in my presentation is evidence-informed public health policy, as should be clear to those who view the online Grand Rounds video from May 16th, 2013. The evidence I reviewed suggests that Canadas absolute prohibition on raw milk sales and distribution is no longer supported by a substantive body of recent, high-quality, peer-reviewed science. I did additionally cite a single non-peer-reviewed paper in the presentation my own, very recent (2013) working paper analysing U.S. outbreak data for raw milk for which I am currently awaiting consideration for peer-review publication.
The Barfblog post further reports that while the BC CDC found my talk to be fairly presented, its policy on unpasteurized milk remains constant. Given how recently the agency has become aware of the evidence I presented, and how significantly this evidence challenges existing Canadian public health perspectives, one would not expect any rapid changes to policy.
Evidence-based public health policy recommendations must be carefully considered, scientifically consistent, and rigorously evidenced and certainly not skewed towards an ideological bias. I sought to employ the highest standards of research and analysis in my recent evidence review. I sincerely invite those working across relevant fields to examine my work and the conclusions I draw, for errors, omissions and inconsistencies; and to bring these to the light of day so we might honestly discuss them in an environment of scientific integrity. I urge BarfBlog, and others whether for or against raw milk being accessible for those who prefer it to commit to a respectful, dignified tone for such future discussions.
I assure you that we share a common vision of a safe, healthy, accessible, delicious and sustainable food supply.
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As long as we’re discussing the nature of criticism being leveled on food rights, I’ll take the opportunity to note a couple of reviews of my book.It’s always strange, as an author, to see your book reviewed–it’s your baby, after all. Even more difficult is to know whether or how to respond…but I’ll give it a shot… These new reviews are in addition to those noted on the Amazon site from places like Kirkus and Publishers Weekly.
In my judgment, food rights lawyer Amy Salberg captures well the book’s efforts at historical and political interpretation. She also raises the fundamental question, “Why is small food such a big threat?”
Another review, by food blogger and writer Jill Richardson, is critical about some of my choices about people to focus on (too many weirdos, in her judgment) and some of the things I say about them (like food safety lawyer Bill Marler). I disagree with her assessments on these and a few other things, but appreciate these are legitimate points of discussion. What bothers me is when reviewers are inaccurate–for example, the Publishers Weekly review quoted at the Amazon site says I didn’t provide the food-safety side of the debate, when in fact I quoted at length from at least half a dozen food safety professionals, via their writings and testimony in various cases–that tells me the reviewer didn’t read very carefully.
One of my goals with the book has been to get discussion and debate going on an issue that many in positions of power would just as soon ignore, keep secret. So, stellar or less than stellar, I’m glad to see the reviews happening. (And here’s a tip: Chelsea Green has the book available right now at the lowest price I have seen anywhere.)
Just got my copy of your new book….can not wait to read it.
I was at Wholefoods last night and as I wondered by the dairy case thinking of the old days when raw milk dominated the coldest shelf space and sold like hot cakes, I heard a young mom say….”the sign says, no more organic almond milk until October 2013″ then she said…”that is our favorite organic brand, what will we do now?”.
As a dairyman and as an almond grower…the my mental gears went into over drive. Almonds happen in the northern hemisphere and there is only one crop and 80% of this crop comes from California. The almond bulk tank is empty ( all sold out for 2013 and prices are high ) and the next almond milking happens in September ( the next crop )???!!!
The dairy case has been taken over by a tree…the cow is being pushed aside!!! Last year alone in CA, 105 dairies left the market. Many of those dairies bull dozed their pens & parlours, beefed their cows and planted almonds. Wow…this was a revelation to me. Plant organic almonds and raw milk is here to stay!!
David….because of the effect of consumer choice and dollar voting the FDA had better watch its verbage. Pretty soon they will have little pasteurized fluid milk to reign over. The NCIMS processors will be shipping almond milk on their trucks. The USDA reigns over almonds not the FDA.
The FDA is an errogant, pompous, uniformed, well armed branch of government. If they fail to start listening to their NIH scientists, they will pretty soon find themselves with out any friends not even the NCIMS or pasteurized fluid milk processors. There will be no PMO activity for fluid milk…it will all be yogurt or cheese and all fluid milk will be raw regulated by the states.
Why would anyone want to try to do something so impossible and undesirable? Raw milk, and food freedom in general, will stand or fall as a political movement, and in no other way.
But clearly there’s no lack of elitist technocrat types, even among those skeptical of some aspects of the system, who want to keep things in the hands of “experts” where they belong.
As we see with the response to this, and as everyone who tries to do real scientific work on GMOs finds out, or any kind of anti-system dissident, there’s no point trying to talk to the corporate media or the academic establishment. These will always have the same response – ignoring you, ridiculing you, slandering you, or representing you as a colorful weirdo. They’ll do this no matter what the substance of the message.
That’s why as a rule the only thing worth doing is talking directly to the people.
Great advice…in fact it is exactly what we believe at OPDC. Feed the people and build the markets. The truth will flow from that process and evolution. The FDA will follow years later. I fact, history tells us that this is the model that the FDA has followed many times. Jack in the Box ecoli hamburger ecoli pathogen tolerance standards came from industry not the FDA. The FDA embraced industry standards years later.
So…feed and build those markets, teach those consumers. Be safe and do not let our weaknesses hurt us…instead make our weakness our strength. RAWMI LISTED farmers have done an excellent job of track record creation. A track record that scientists like Canadas Nadine can use to prove that our raw milk is just like the EU QMRA’s claim…in the low risk or very low risk category.
Mark, interesting about the almond milk gradually taking market share from the pasteurized cow’s milk. But one thing I can practically guarantee: even if consumption of pasteurized fluid milk falls off a cliff (and that’s usually what happens eventually in a gradually declining market–the decline accelerates as competitors take market share), the FDA and state ag bureaucrats will remain, in the same numbers, fighting against raw milk. Maybe they’ll find new ways to regulate almond milk. Bottom line, their jobs will be the only thing unaffected by the upheaval.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics and WHO recommend that infants be fed raw breast milk over formula. Pasteurized milk is not recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics for children under 1 year old because it does not contain enough nutrients, vitamins and minerals to adequately and properly sustain an infant’s growth. Raw breast milk isn’t legal if I’m reading the Wisconsin statute correctly?
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Governor Walker will veto the raw milk bill because it does not have safeguards to protect public health and the integrity of the dairy industry.
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Bildo, David Meany mentioned common law without me bringing it up.
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And someone used the term spurious goods just like on the DATCP history page. The dairy and medical industry are both selling spurious goods. They have changed the original Hippocratic oath and the definition of fresh milk.
“The American Academy of Pediatrics and WHO recommend…”
Do you have a citation for this?
I had a very long and productive talk with Nadine when I was in Canada. She is very much a raw milk advocate, but she is also very politically astute. She knows that no one in the scientific arena will listen to a person that makes unfounded medical claims and over the top pronouncements about the glory of raw milk.
Thats my job and I do it all the time. Cause its true. The research, the QMRA’s, the 80,000 consumers of raw milk in CA all support the glory of raw milk as one of the best immune system foods on earth!! Nadine would get no where if she followed this path.
Instead Nadine has taken a slower and more methodical road to progress and we need her doing this. We haev Sally Fallon and WAP fighting their educational battles and teaching moms and saving kids, their is OPDC and other dairymen building commercial markets and creating a change thorn in the FDA’s side, there are cow shares feeding local communities, David is writing books, Kristen Kanty is making movies, we have FTCLDF sueing the bastards and protecting farmers. This battle rages on all fronts and every front requires its own strategy and tactics. Nadines strategy is sound and will help build bridges especially when her strategy is combined with all the rest.
As you say and I like to repeat, teach teach teach, and also learn learn learn. Thanks for your contributions and long may you prosper. Unfortunately I don’t have any goats or cows anymore but my chickens say hi and happy composting. Organic heritage veggies are right up there with raw milk for good health. Share.
This is exactly the crux of the matter. We get the government we deserve and it will be much much harder to break free of the chains of oppression if raw milk producers do not stand for truth.
Unfortunately there are far too many craven marketers in the local food movement who don’t truly believe in what they’re selling, market around their deficiencies, or generally lie to their consumers about what their selling and how its produced.
I looked at their website and all the links you offered and could not find this. To the contrary of what you’re promoting, the Academy is against the consumption of raw milk.
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard
What can happen if someone else’s breast milk is given to another child?
The risk of infection from a single bottle of breast milk, even if the mother is HIV positive, is extremely small. For women who do not have HIV or other serious infectious diseases, there is little risk to the child who receives her breast milk.
Chemicals present in breast milk act, together with time and cold temperatures, to destroy the HIV present in expressed breast milk
Transmission of HIV from single breast milk exposure has never been documented
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She says First of all, why the hell is the government so intensely focused on a small minority of citizens who want to drink raw milk from farmers they know personally and often from farms they’ve visited themselves?
Second, why do citizens need to go through such stupid legal gymnastics just to attempt to obtain healthful food?
As we all know, there are real, big, widespread problems in our food supply. There are any number of foods – mostly ones that can be obtained through a drive-thru or a vending machine – that make you sick 100% of the time, even when they aren’t contaminated with pathogens.
Perhaps the weirdos come into the story because they are the only ones willing to take on the system so brazenly. (And Vonderplanitz in particular generally thinks that he’s got a better understanding of the law than most lawyers, so he’s got no fear in, well… he doesn’t see it as breaking the law.) Doesn’t this make Jill one of the weirdos herself? I guess your right if you make too much sense you start sounding like a weirdo.
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And she says, The idea of food freedom is important, and it extends beyond raw milk. Other foods mentioned in the book include kombucha, kefir, sauerkraut, and raw milk cheeses, to name a few. In my own experience, I’ve met a local artisanal salumi company (now out of business) that was operating under USDA inspections but continually harassed for refusing to use nitrates in their meat. They told me they would present the evidence again and again to the government, proving scientifically how they used moisture levels and salt content to prevent microbial growth without nitrates. The government would take the information, and then come back insisting once again that they use nitrates. (artisanal salumi) basically raw meat, she’s sounding like a weirdo again.
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Yes: Gumpert shies away from explaining why these contraband foods are safe, healthy, and should be legal. In this book, he sticks to focusing on whether or not we have a right to eat what we want, period. Nevermind how and why. I think the how and why are important and worth delving into to help people understand why it is that the government’s being unjust.
Yes: Want to know why unwashed eggs don’t need to be refrigerated? There’s a good explanation for that. And it makes the government look all the more stupid for insisting that eggs for sale must be washed and refrigerated. Especially if the eggs come from a small farm raising pastured chickens, selling to a small group of people who know the farmer personally.
What!!! My other quibble with this book was its profiling of Bill Marler, a well-known food safety lawyer. (Full disclosure: I have written for Marler and been paid for my work.) I’ve met Marler and I like him. I think he’s acting in good faith. I don’t think many of the regulators are acting in good faith, but I think Marler is. In his job as a food safety lawyer, he sees an awful lot of devastated families and victims of food poisoning. I believe he genuinely cares about them.
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And then she says: Marler and I disagree about raw milk, but we can rationally debate it. Not so with many regulators. (If you look through the government’s database of foodborne illness cases, you’ll see that one food only is listed in all caps – RAW MILK. You’ll also see that most food poisoning cases are never resolved, and some are only linked generally to something like “tacos” without discovering whether it was the meat, the cheese, the salsa, or the lettuce that made the person ill. Their obsession with pointing the finger at raw milk seems paranoid and totalitarian.) …weirdo… and I don’t think Marler has ever sued the government.
I know David Gumpert took care in writing the section on Marler, but I still felt like it made him come off a bit too much like an ambulance chaser who is after a paycheck. And while Marler’s a master of using the internet and various other gimmicks to get his point across (like sending T-shirts to the entire U.S. Senate advocating passage of a food safety bill), I think his goal is justice for the victims he represents and a safer food system. I think he doesn’t want to see another family lose a loved one to tainted food. Is there any way we could explain how ridiculous she sounds without sounding like one of her weirdos?
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I’ve always felt that the raw milk issue can be split into two parts: the right of citizens to eat what they want, and the right of citizens to be protected from fraudulent business people who are potentially selling dangerous products. Should you have the right to drink raw milk? Absolutely! Should I have the right to operate a filthy dairy with 50,000 cows up to their udders in manure and distribute their milk across the country under the guise that it is safe and sanitary and even healthful? Nope. starting to make too much sense again.
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Why is the government acting like this? GRAIN has a piece called the Great Milk Robbery about a move around the world to promote the capture of more of the dairy market by large conglomerates.
A small farmer selling raw milk, collecting 100% of the retail dollar for that raw milk, denies a megacorporation like Dean Foods the opportunity to profit off of that milk. For the most part, individual small farmers do not have their own dairy processing plants and they cannot legally sell fluid milk or any other “value added” dairy products like yogurt, cheese, or ice cream. They sell their milk to a processor for a pittance and the processor and the rest of the distribution chain cash in on most of the retail price paid for the milk or other dairy products. She evidently doesn’t know about the 85 billion dollar medical industry, raw milk’s biggest competitor.
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I have to agree: The demand for raw milk and other value added dairy products not sold in mainstream supermarkets or other channels definitely shows the failure of the market to meet consumer demand..
http://www.lavidalocavore.org/diary/5332/book-review-life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-food-rights
When he had his own staff create a video showing a kid in the ICU on a respirator, and created an artificial time sequence which missled the viewer and showed date stamps that were off and told a lie….that was not being lawyerly or ethical. How do I know this? I threatend a law suit and Bill hired a lawyer to protect himself and he took down the video!!
It is my belief that Bill sees himself as above the law and above ethics. He creates evidence and champions the promotion and influence of public opinion. he sees himselve as wearing a Suit of Armor and riding a Great White Horse protected by high flying FDA Drone Aircraft. He can do no wrong becuase he is so good and so right…After all he has been paid the better part of a billion dollars as this Great White Horse Rider and protector of innocent immunity depressed children.
What he fails to see and appreciate is that all this FDA protected legal activity has caused further immune depression and bacterial paranoia which in turn has caused the deaths of literally hundreds if not thousands of children. Yes…Bills activities are directly associated with the lack of access to clean safe raw milk for children with asthma. Asthma kills 4000 kids per year. Clearly raw milk improves health and saves lives see. PARSIFAL, GABRIELA, KOALA, ALEX, PASTURE studies, UC Davis Splash News Letters, and EU QMRA’s.
These deaths lay at the feet of the FDA and their Great White Horse Rider.
1. FDA (sadly) does not fund much food safety research.
2. Most food safety researchers get federal grants from USDA, but not the part that regulates meat and poultry safety.
3. Anyone that knows Doug, knows that he genuflects to no one, be they industry, regulators or academics. Doug speaks his mind. That’s why people love him or hate him.
What got my blood boiling was the claim that she ” was coerced into believing the inaccurate facts given to her by the farm she purchased raw milk from”. She never bought the raw milk from the farm, she bought it from her local natural foods store!!! Now this is more evidence of how they change, manipulate, exaggerate and even out right lie about the facts!!!
Why do you have to keep telling lies?
I agree. Coerced is a strong word. I used the word lulled into a false sense of safety.
http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/controversy-on-social-media-over-raw-milk-is-a-low-risk-food-assessment/
DWSchaffner–Thanks for the clarifications. On your first point, we may be differing on semantics. The FDA reported in a 2010 “Year in Review” report from its Division of Federal-State Relations that it handed out $41 million in grants, contracts, and cooperative agreements to assorted state agencies and universities (according to my new book, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Food Rights). That’s not an insignificant amount. How much of that wound up in state university food or food safety research, I can’t say, since it wasn’t spelled out in the report.
Funny, Jill Richardson in her book review says I portray Bill Marler “a bit too much like an ambulance chaser”, and you say I give him “a bit of a free ticket.” Hmmm.
How can a person be “coerced” into believing anything? Does she have a learning disability? Guess that person just didn’t do their own due diligence and has a need to blame whomever is convenient. Perhaps it is her own self guilt eating at her? Manipulating the facts only makes their lies more prominent and they loose what little credibility they had.
“Vonderplanitz in particular generally thinks that he’s got a better understanding of the law than most lawyers, so he’s got no fear in, well… he doesn’t see it as breaking the law”
Lawyers, of course, do nothing but endlessly and fiercely argue about what the law means, so it would seem no one understands it less than they do. In fact they understand well that “the law” is a might-makes-right farce, and all their disputing is meant to impress gullible laymen into disbelieving in their own reason and common sense. And of course for the lawyers’ own wealth and power interest.
Gumpert shies away from explaining why these contraband foods are safe, healthy, and should be legal. In this book, he sticks to focusing on whether or not we have a right to eat what we want, period. Nevermind how and why. I think the how and why are important and worth delving into to help people understand why it is that the government’s being unjust.
I agree that we need to explain how and why the government’s being unjust, but not in order to beg that same government for Better Laws, but rather to wean people off their misguided faith in the legitimacy of governments, corporations, and “laws” where it comes to our food. We should start and end with the insistence that we have the imperative and right to produce and eat our own food, and that anything which stands in the way of our Food Sovereignty, as democratic producers and eaters, is illegitimate and must be abolished.
“I’ve met Marler and I like him.”
Well that settles that! I guess we were wrong about him.
Is that why he writes technocratic cant like this:
“The scientific fringe craves the credibility the impateur of the scientific mainstream. It fuels conspiracy theories, drains public health resources, and unnecessarily worries a lot of folks; its a recycled tactic often used in the politics of genetically engineered food.”
(I’ll assume that strange string of letters is supposed to be “imprimatur”.)
If Powell’s even minimally informed*, he’s telling a premeditated lie about genetically engineered food, since he knows that such products were never safety tested before being commercialized, but were instead ideologically dogmatized to be “substantially equivalent” to real crops, and therefore didn’t need such testing. This genuflection before the corporate ideology is the level of Doug Powell’s version of “science”, which is typical of scientistic hacks like him. And one need only skim the pieces on Barfblog to see its typical kick-down agenda on “food safety”. One focuses, ah hoc tabloid-style, on individual examples, preferably among lone restaurants and such, precisely in order to misdirect attention from the massive, systematic poisoning of our food and ecosystems by corporate agriculture and food manufacture.
He’s a good example of why what he circularly calls “the scientific mainstream”, and his technocratic ideology in general, is so rapidly losing credibility with the people. The term is circular because it’s those who are enshrined in the hierarchy who then call their hierarchy “the mainstream”. But this is a lie. To go back to the commercialization of GMOs, the precautionary principle is a core scientific precept by any objective measure. To flout it is, by definition, to be aggressively anti-science. On the contrary, corporate technicians are “mainstream” only within the radical context of anti-scientific corporatism, a banality-of-evil context. By any historical or objective measure, they’re extremists, and by any human measure, they’re the “fringe”.
*He may well not be even minimally informed. The vast majority of technicians are knowledgeable about their particular narrow specialty, but ignorant about every other subject including other branches of technical knowledge. Their ignorance is the same as that of any typical layman, but it’s accompanied by the fraudulent mindset that “because I know something about one part of science, I must know about other parts as well”. Here too we see that what passes for “science” today is, more often than not, the most irrational and faith-based nonsense on the part of technicians. That’s why the term “scientism” was coined, to describe a pseudo-scientific version of the same old cult faith and arrogance of ignorance.
The broad support among technical types for this worthless and destructive product, GMOs, support based on utter ignorance, is perhaps the most extreme example yet of the cult of scientism, and the best example of the fraudulence of their pretensions to “science”. For the real scientists, the real practitioners and experimenters whose results have to WORK because you can’t lie to the soil or the weather, nor will the cheap oil last much longer, go look at the farmers of history, and especially at the marvelous work of today’s agroecological and organic practitioners.
Correction…..Ecoli was ever found in any of our raw milk since forever….not one test has ever found an ecoli 0157H7 pathogen in any of our fluid raw milk products!! Secondly…ecoli 0157H7 was never found in Chris Martin either. Lastly…the product was bought from a store and not the farm. The farmer never spoke to the Martines prior to them purchasing the raw milk.
Totally missleading bunch of biased yellow journalism.
This article is nothing short of food bio-terrorism and internet libel. The safety of raw milk has been shown in EU QMRAs and retail approved raw milk standards. It is among the low risk or very low risk categories of foods. Why not talk about killer cantaloup??? 34 dead people should be something to talk about!!
Instead the FDA instigates FOOD INC yellow speech to gain points when they are loosing on all fronts against raw milk. What a crock of crap!!
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When I look at the AAP anti-raw milk stuff I find that it is nothing like their other information. It is often contradictory and gives no names or references of any kind, you know like: A
2001 meta-analysis of 12 prospective studies that met
pre-established criteria found that….
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I did find some other good stuff though.
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http://www.aap.org/en-us/professional-resources/Research/Pages/Research.aspx#ResearchFindings
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/collection/committee_on_nutrition
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/115/2/496.full
AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS
Breastfeeding and the Use of Human Milk
Vol. 115 No. 2 February 1, 2005
Extensive research using improved epidemiologic methods and modern laboratory techniques documents diverse and compelling advantages for infants, mothers, families, and society from breastfeeding and use of human milk for infant feeding. These advantages include health, nutritional, immunologic, developmental, psychologic, social, economic, and environmental benefits.
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Child Health Benefits
Human milk is species-specific, and all substitute feeding preparations differ markedly from it, making human milk uniquely superior for infant feeding. Exclusive breastfeeding is the reference or normative model against which all alternative feeding methods must be measured with regard to growth, health, development, and all other short- and long-term outcomes. In addition, human milk-fed premature infants receive significant benefits with respect to host protection and improved developmental outcomes compared with formula-fed premature infants. From studies in preterm and term infants, the following outcomes have been documented.
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Infectious Diseases
Research in developed and developing countries of the world, including middle-class populations in developed countries, provides strong evidence that human milk feeding decreases the incidence and/or severity of a wide range of infectious diseases including bacterial meningitis, bacteremia, diarrhea, respiratory tract infection, necrotizing enterocolitis, otitis media, urinary tract infection, and late-onset sepsis in preterm infants. In addition, postneonatal infant mortality rates in the United States are reduced by 21% in breastfed infants.
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Other Health Outcomes
Some studies suggest decreased rates of sudden infant death syndrome in the first year of life and reduction in incidence of insulin-dependent (type 1) and noninsulin-dependent (type 2) diabetes mellitus, lymphoma, leukemia, and Hodgkin disease, overweight and obesity, hypercholesterolemia, and asthma in older children and adults who were breastfed, compared with individuals who were not breastfed. Additional research in this area is warranted.
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Neurodevelopment
Breastfeeding has been associated with slightly enhanced performance on tests of cognitive development. Breastfeeding during a painful procedure such as a heel-stick for newborn screening provides analgesia to infants.
Supplements (water, glucose water, formula, and other fluids) should not be given to breastfeeding newborn infants unless ordered by a physician when a medical indication exists.
Pacifier use is best avoided during the initiation of breastfeeding and used only after breastfeeding is well established.
Pediatricians and parents should be aware that exclusive breastfeeding is sufficient to support optimal growth and development for approximately the first 6 months of life and provides continuing protection against diarrhea and respiratory tract infection. Breastfeeding should be continued for at least the first year of life and beyond for as long as mutually desired by mother and child.
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/75/1/182.abstract?sid=569b1783-6349-4ff3-b008-d81dce435773 Vol. 75 No. 1 January 1, 1985 pp. 182 -186
Article : Is Bovine Milk a Health Hazard? By Frank A. Oski From the Department of Pediatrics, State University of New York, Upstate Medial Center, Syracuse
Abstract
Whole bovine milk should not be fed to infants during the first year of life because of its association with occult gastrointestinal bleeding, iron deficiency anemia, and cow’s milk allergy. The consumption of whole milk after the first year of life should be discouraged because of its potential role in a variety of disorders including atherosclerosis, recurrent abdominal pain of childhood, cataracts, milk-borne infections, and juvenile delinquency.
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/57/2/278.full.pdf+html?sid=4f0ca794-ca07-48b9-841a-1b40755c6833
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/118/3/1279
Lactose, Calcium Absorption, and Bone Mineral Content
Recent evidence indicates that dietary lactose enhances
calcium absorption and, conversely, that lactose-free diets result in lower calcium absorption. Thus, lactose
intolerance (and lactose-free diets) theoretically may
predispose to inadequate bone mineralization, a problem
now recognized in many other disorders affecting pediatric patients.
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/121/1/183
Asthma
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2001 meta-analysis of 12 prospective studies that met
preestablished criteria found that exclusive breastfeeding
for at least 3 months was protective against the development of asthma between 2 and 5 years of age (OR: 0.70; 95% CI: 0.60 0.81).34 The effect of breastfeeding
was even stronger when the analysis was limited to
children from families with a history of atopic disease
(OR: 0.52; 95% CI: 0.35 0.79).
It has been seven years Mary…let it go. Tens of thousands of people have discovered that clean safe raw milk is on a shelf down the street in a CA store and it makes their asthma and excema get better and their Crohns resolve. Raw Milk improves and saves lives!!! There are no other pharma treatments that do this!! All others have huge side effects including death and lots of death.
Raw milk CDC score still zero deaths since 1972.
Pasteurized milk CDC deaths at least 70 since 1972.
Pasteurized milk is the MOST ALLERGENIC food in America with at least 8 dead kids since 1998.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=child+nursing+from+a+cow&hl=en&biw=1113&bih=564&tbm=isch&tbnid=fSO4w_XqO_0K9M:&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036201/Child-suckles-cows-milk-mother-leaves-home-search-work.html&docid=isWZmgDuRDNWgM&imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/11/article-0-0DD2B72D00000578-38_634x421.jpg&w=634&h=421&ei=ECLDUdKQMqzWiAKAj4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=271&vpy=131&dur=2391&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=159&ty=136&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=206&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:87
It is rather interesting how the authorities view human raw milk as good and safe and necessary but raw cows milk as a dangerous evil straight from the pit of hell.
Here’s the thing Mark, all the people who have children with milk issues, they can just have their children stop drinking milk altogether and give them a reliable brand of probiotics. The majority of children in the world do not consume cow’s milk.
And I’m laughing about the payment part. Who do you think is paying me? It is ludicrous. I have never received any money from anyone to speak out against giving children raw milk.
2. He drank about 1/2 to a cup a day. I bought quart each week and it he finished a bottle in a week.
3. September of this year, it will be 7 years since he has consumed raw milk.
4. The last time he had diarrhea was when he was in the hospital 7 years ago. Prior to becoming ill, he never had any bowel issues.
5. We were healthy before raw milk and healthy after raw milk.
6. We have always taken supplements, including probiotics.
7. I have juiced on and off my whole life. Chris will not eat vegetables. He has always been a very picky eater. We started juicing for him about 4 or 5 years ago.
8. We eat a very healthy diet of whole, unprocessed food. We consume no diary in our diets.
9. Health does not boil down to the single variable of consuming raw milk.
This is what I wrote in the story posted on FSN, “I was finally convinced after visiting the Organic Pastures website. I found pleasing claims describing their cows, how they were fed, how their milk was regularly tested and how they had never found a pathogen in all the years they had been in business. Their website also stated that if cows consumed grass they wouldnt harbor pathogens. OPDC cows were advertised as being 100 percent pasture fed. They even posted all of their test results on their website and based upon this information I believed that the milk they produced would be safe for my son to consume. In mid-August, 2006, I purchased a quart of raw milk. I wondered if Chris would like it.”
If she listened to the video that our family made, that is where I said I was lulled into a false sense of safety.
She summarized her thoughts into a paragraph. I don’t read it as if I purchased the milk straight from the farm. That is the way you read it. Maybe better words to use probably would have been dairy and lulled. “Like many mothers, Mary was lulled into believing the inaccurate facts given to her by the dairy she purchased raw milk from.”
It really doesn’t matter what she summarized in the paragraph. Anyone really interested in knowing more about my son’s illness can simply read the article I posted on FSN. I clearly state that I read OPDC website for information about the dairy.
Again, I’ve never spoken to Tara Smith the author of this article.
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1. Illness; diarrhea and not cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, lactose intolerance etc. Aren’t these what the public would naturally assume the state is referring to when they say illness?
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2. Food; only agricultural commodities and not canned food, cakes, cookies, candy, soda, chocolate milk etc. They are totally ignoring the really toxic foods that make up the majority of our diet. They actually have us afraid of spinach and sprouts, two of the healthiest foods on the planet.
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3. Outbreak; 73 cases in 3 months, while the nearly 300 million other cases of diarrhea in this country are not even acknowledged. The average American gets diarrhea 3 times a year.
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4. Association; cucumbers, because 67% of the 45 ill interviewed ate cucumbers while only 44% of the well people surveyed ate cucumbers and not because of any actual Salmonella contamination found.
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5. Blame; 2 Mexican producers because 6 of the 45 ill interviewed eat their cucumbers and not because of any actual Salmonella contamination found.
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I wish everyone could see how absurd this is? DATCP has redefined adulteration and misbranding(it now means the exact opposite of what the consumer would assume). They have redefined milk(It no longer means fresh.) They have redefined the dairy industry(Which no longer includes the dairy farmer.) They have redefined themselves and they have redefined the term food safety.
2. His diarrhea was so severe because he had an E.coli 0157:H7 infection. The first day of diarrhea he went 19 times by the time my husband picked him up from my in-laws. A few hours later he had blood in his stool. We took him to the emergency room and he was later admitted to the hospital. He returned home 2 months later.
3. HUS is always considered serious whether a child’s kidneys completely fail or not. 50% of children who get HUS need kidney dialysis. Even if a child doesn’t end up on dialysis, he/she will most likely need at least a blood transfusion.
4. I think his E.coli 0157:H7 infection turned to HUS because the milk had a high pathogen count and he drank the contaminated milk over a period of 2 days. Amount of consumption is related to the seriousness of the E.coli infection. Once hospitalized, within the first 3 days he had all the signs of pre-HUS–rectal prolapse, suspected appendicitis, and issues with his pancreas.
5. Yes he was given antibiotics because they were so concerned about his colon. E.coli infections can cause serious colon issues. Some or all of the colon my need to be removed and in the worst cases children die.
6. The other little girl in the hospital with Chris (who also drank the same brand of milk) was not given antibiotics and she still developed HUS. She has permanent kidney damage (stage 1 kidney disease). BTW, Chris and Lauren consumed the raw milk on the same day, developed diarrhea 12 hours from each other, and were diagnosed with HUS on the same day.
7. His debilitating health issues you refer to are his kidneys. Due to the damage done during his illness, he has the kidneys of a person much older than 14. There is no way of knowing how many filters were damaged. The filters are not made to compensate. Over time they will begin to expand like a water balloon and then one day he will have stage one kidney disease. We don’t have a crystal ball to know how old he will be when that happens.
8. Each year for the rest of his life he has to have his kidneys checked. Right now are very high risk years due to his growth and weight escalating at a greater rate. Studies show that children who have suffered HUS can present with normal kidney function and then hit their teen years and enter into stage one kidney disease. Tomorrow we have Chris’ annual visit to the nephrologist.
8. I’m sure it was the milk because it was the only new thing I added to his diet during that timeframe. He doesn’t eat fast food. He only eats the things I cook him. Also, he was part of an outbreak. 5 others also became ill.
Barfblog is about people getting sick from foodborne pathogens, whether they come from small restaurants or large corporations. Right now the main page has stories about a supermarket chain, the FDA screwing up, a berry outbreak, Australian restaurant grades, a street food festival, Lady Gaga’s restaurant, BS claims by the Italian Food Safety authority, research on pathogens in lettuce, a Chicago restaurant, and a birthday message to his kid.
Next week it will be something different, as something else will be making people barf.
In my mid 40’s, I developed an intolerance to dairy. No big deal, so I just don’t consume it. Chris can’t eat dairy or gluten, so we eat like him.
I personally think the best way to consume dairy would be to buy raw milk from a local farmer and then boil it at home.
And yes, I’m all about alternative medicine.
Lynn
I was filtered. It is obviously an article with an agenda. Just another FDA hit job.
The markets tell the truth and the real trends. Pasteurized milk is so great that it is dying at 2 % per year….regardless of the millions brilliantly spent to promote it…now that is a true measure of success!!!
We can talk and talk….but we should all watch the consumer dollar voting data. This data reflects exactly what the consumers own gut experience & personal experiments reveal. Raw milk is digestible and non allergenic. You can not fake real.
Like I said, I saw the array of subject matter – ad hoc, isolated incidents, none of it touching the toxic structures of corporate food. If it’s a food safety blog, where’s the cumulative posts calling for the abolition of CAFOs and at least a moratorium on GMO commercialization until sufficiently systemative safety testing has been done? (As I said, such testing was NEVER done on a SINGLE GMO.)
That’s always how we can tell when someone’s a fraud, and when someone’s really concerned not with food safety (the overall health and well-being of the people and the environment) but with “food safety”, the safety of the profit and power of the system.
Here’s a good piece on the subversion of peer review.
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14849:ou-gmw-the-goodman-affair-monsanto-targets-the-heart-of-science
It makes the especially important point that there’s been a complete ethical collapse among “scientist” types, as far as demanding that the precautionary principle be exercised in policy, demanding objectivity in discourse, disclosing conflicts of interest, etc. Since technicians refuse to police themselves, the people shall have to rescind our confidence in them, and we’re doing so.
The quote is telling:
“Provide a forum for all the stakeholders of the food protection systemregulatory
agencies, academia, industry, consumers, state legislators, boards of health and
agriculture, and other interested parties;”
Note the elitism. Human beings appear only in the guise of “consumers”, i.e. cash-spending atoms. As self-actualizing food producers, as eaters who have bodies that need physical health, as would-be citizens of a democracy and participants in a human economy, human beings don’t exist from the corporatist point of view, only elite “stakeholders”, including their “consumer representatives” (we can include sites like Barfblog within that category). The people are a resource mine and waste dump.
I get the impression that the Science Blog system moderator has blocked all new comments and it has gone cold. Why open the truth gates to all of us Raw Milk educators and increase teaching traffic???
I do recall when I was in college, if you wrote a paper that was not what the instructor believed/liked, you’d get a low grade. I had 2 professors like that.
Since the 19th was the last post in regards to the students paper, I would assume they closed further posts as the 3 of the 4 posts were pro raw milk. Tsk tsk they went against the school/ instructor. No discussions allowed!
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7363533n
One in seven to one in three admissions are injured by preventable medical mistakes.
Before I say anything else I must address your selfishness. By advocating the banning of raw milk you are attempting to deprive others, without your resources and knowledge of nutrition, of Americas cheapest simplest and most complete health-food for their families. The question of bacterial contamination is completely moot since the average American gets diarrhea three times a year and none of our food regulations have ever or will ever address that.
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Next, I’d like to skip ahead to gluten intolerance. Have you heard about the new semi-dwarf high yield wheat developed thirty years ago. It is actually an early form of genetic modification. All wheat products now contain this new gene. It is addictive and very toxic. Have you tried spelt or any of the other old wheats.
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You know Mary, in Wisconsin there is no organic pastures and there is no advertising and the state says raw milk is illegal yet the CDC says there are just as many raw milk consumers here as in California where raw milk is said to be legal. In Wisconsin we don’t base our decision whether or not to try raw milk on a shiny add campaign or on contradictory unfounded accusations from competitors with a major conflict of interest like the CDC, FDA, DATCP, and the cheese and medical industries. Ours is based on first hand information and creditable Internet information. Of course once we try raw milk the decision to continue it’s consumption is based on our own personal confirmation of may of the claimed benefits of raw milk plus many of our own observations. I didn’t grow up on raw milk so I know the difference.
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While I’m thinking about it. Have you given any thought to the possibility that for the most part obesity and ADD may be imaginary disorders? Have you ever questioned your motives when labeling one of your students as having ADD especially considering the possibility they could be medicated? Have you experienced or heard of any of the health issues associated with weight loss?
Oh, and by the way healthy cows have healthy manure. Cow manure used as a wound dressing saved my fathers leg twice. Once as a child on the farm and once in Korea.
On another topic:
Science, Medicine
1. Uffe Ravnskov M.D. Ph.D., authored “The Cholesterol Myths” exposing mistakes, overweening ineptitude and follow-on avarice, both continuing and on a grand scale at that. But. Ravnskov is M.D. and Ph.D. There is a reason for the saying “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.” Science is beautiful. Blind acceptance of every statement of someone wearing a white lab coat and sporting a stethoscope is unwise even if you have been thoroughly conditioned that way.
2. Joel Wallach, D.V.M., N.D. points out in a 24 min interview segment with Benjamin Fuchs that failing livers will rebuild themselves completely without medical intervention if they are supplied properly through nutrition, the principal, but not the only necessary nutrient, being selenium. There is a lot to think about. I found this interview segment here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cml_LRZgOHM
Mr. J. Ingvar Odegaard
The passion of anti raw milk fervor carried by Mary would serve our mission so well if it was only on our side. I do respect Mary’s passion….and tenacious biting at our ankles. It has made me do things like found RAWMI and submit 500 page Citizens Petitions to the FDA, present more than 400 “Share the Secret” in person raw milk presentations all over CA, the US and Canada since 2007. Her persistence has been a motivating and driving force of good….to make me a better Raw Milk Dairyman. Lemons to organic lemonade is by karmal theory.
Thank you Mary….now if I can just get those pesky ankle bites to heal.
Balanced information No.
TPTB care little about informed choice, it is either their way or the highway.
Those who have experienced the benefits of drinking raw milk far outweigh those who claim they have been harmed by it.
Ken
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Mary, I love the family picture of you and your son. It’s beautiful. Of course the hospital pictures bring to mind some of my own unpleasant run-ins with our medical system.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7363533n
One in seven to one in three admissions are injured by preventable medical mistakes.
Before I say anything else I must address your selfishness. By advocating the banning of raw milk you are attempting to deprive others, without your resources and knowledge of nutrition, of Americas cheapest simplest and most complete health-food for their families. Are you familiar with the statistic, the average American gets diarrhea three times a year? Doesn’t that work out to like 313 million cases every 4 months? Do you really think 12 case should be called an outbreak?
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Next, I’d like to skip ahead to gluten intolerance. Have you heard about the new semi-dwarf high yield wheat developed thirty years ago. It is actually an early form of genetic modification. All wheat products now contain this new gene. It is addictive and very toxic. Have you tried spelt or any of the other old wheats.
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You know Mary, in Wisconsin there is no organic pastures and there is no advertising and the state says raw milk is illegal yet the CDC says there are just as many raw milk consumers here as in California where raw milk is said to be legal. In Wisconsin we don’t base our decision whether or not to try raw milk on a shiny add campaign or on contradictory unfounded accusations from competitors with a major conflict of interest like the CDC, FDA, DATCP, and the cheese and medical industries. Ours is based on first hand information and creditable Internet information. Of course once we try raw milk the decision to continue it’s consumption is based on our own personal confirmation of may of the claimed benefits of raw milk plus many of our own observations. I didn’t grow up on raw milk so I know the difference.
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While I’m thinking about it. Have you given any thought to the possibility that for the most part obesity and ADD may be imaginary disorders? Have you ever questioned your motives when labeling one of your students as having ADD especially considering the possibility they could be medicated? Have you experienced or heard of any of the health issues associated with weight loss?
Oh, and by the way, what’s your point about cow manure? Cow manure used as a wound dressing saved my fathers leg twice. Once as a child on the farm and once in Korea.
who: Mary McGonigle | when: Fri, 06/21/2013 22:29 – Mary’s CIA joke(I’m assuming)
There is some evidence that suggests that TB can be carried by humans and transmitted to cows…but you need to be very intimate with a cow to make this human bovine transfer….kissing cows is not my thing!
I have no information that suggests that the number of members of a cow share is related to pathogens found in that cow shares milk. That being said, if all the members of a cow share share in the milking of the cows….this definitely is related to the difficulty of consistent milking practices. When twenty people milk a cow the practices can be quite different than one or two people that follow the same exact routine. I have seen this repeatedly. I have not however seen a positive pathogen test that is correlated with this issue. I have seen gross variance in coliform numbers when many people milk a cow and use different practices…confuses the heck out of the cow as well.
By KEN RITTER Associated Press
LAS VEGAS June 12, 2013 (AP)
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A psychiatric patient has filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in Nevada accusing state officials of giving him a one-way bus ticket to Northern California, where he arrived, scared and disoriented, without money and identification in a city where he didn’t know anyone and had never been.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/nevada-aclu-backing-suit-patient-dumping-19382981
Similarly on Twitter — there is a determined effort by anti-raw-milk activists to constantly flood twitter with their posts, including repeatedley tweeting things like “Another #rawmilk outbreak in [location] sickens [random number]” several times a day when the actual (raw milk related or not) “outbreak” occurred years ago — they know that people will read their tweet and believe that the outbreak is happening right now. So they keep the level of public paranoia up about raw milk by this constant barrage. Twitter has a lot of street-cred these days – news agencies, universities, researchers, etc. are now all using it as a primary source of communication. Here is the CDC’s own page for instructing its staff on how to use Twitter: http://www.cdc.gov/socialmedia/tools/guidelines/pdf/microblogging.pdf .
Mark here uses Twitter very well, but are the rest of us “in there too” using the hashtags #rawmilk #freshmilk #publichealth #foodsafety #cdc #foodfreedom etc. to get the word out? You can even tweet directly to the CDC by putting their twitter name “@CDCgov” in your post (similarly messaging state governments and politicians which have twitter accounts too). This is very new to many, but you can dash off a tweet from your computer or a smart-phone in seconds, so it’s often a very quick way to get your message “out there.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhnHA8c_Y0 Part 1 @20 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R1ixshimfM Part 2 @ 13 minutes
http://youtu.be/UDlH9sV0lHU
War on Health – Gary Null’s documentary exposing the FDA
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2011/10/26/what-happens-to-your-gut-bacteria-when-you-eat-a-yoghurt/
I am connected to the intelligence services??? What the heck are you saying? RAWMI has LISTED three micro dairies. Does that sound like an enemy to small producers? Just because some Cow Shares want complete secrecy and RAWMI and OPDC believe in total transparency and total engagement in our effort to change current regulations and laws, does not mean that somehow I am an enemy to Cow Shares. Perhaps my greatest disappointments in the raw milk community is the division and lack of unity practiced by some.
I believe in total engagement….I believe in total transparency. That means, showing up, standing up and speaking up….proudly. No hiding , no secrecy.
The hiders are shameful in my book of karma
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Why is it that Europe can do it and we can’t? Maybe in Europe dairy isn’t as big a threat to these people so they started with the vitamin supplement industry instead.
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Mark, I love your pro-raw milk stuff but you have to expect resistance to RAWMI and to OPDC selling raw milk outside California. How is RAWMI going to help change the law? Raw milk is a threat to Big Cheese and to Big Pharma because it’s too safe and too beneficial to your health not because it needs any kind of improvement. It’s hard to get much more transparent than direct farm sales.
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Often it it hard to know when to trust and when to be paranoid.
I said you were hostile to small independents. And even in your denial of that you can’t but help denigrate and despise them. It really goads you that they won’t fall in line doesn’t it?
I do not know the extent or non-extent of Mark’s present connections to the intelligence community. But it is there and its documented in the archives of this blog. I don’t have time to look it up. It goes back to his father. I’m just saying its plausible. Especially in light of his push for the cow shares to submit to state regulation.
Its not that they want complete secrecy. They rightly do not seek the limelight for fear of persecution. And they are just in their stand to not bend the knee to government and submit to government regulation. Regulation by the same government who would shut them down if they could. Like Vernon Hershberger they stand on their natural rights.
You however, push subjugation to the authorities.
OPDC interested in total transparency. Thats a laugh. I’ve been on this blog long enough to see how thats played out over the years.
“division and lack of unity” translation: they won’t fall in lock step behind our attempts to guide and control the movement.
There are no producers in Arizona willing to place their raw milk into stores so people can buy.
The producers in Arizona sell off the farm and few if any sell in any stores. Refriguerated trucks could care less if they drive from Fresno to San Diego or Fresno to Phoenix. There is about a two hour difference.
As far as pilots are concerned…it is better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing that you were on the ground. Been there….that is one of the reasons that there are few old bold pilots and many more old pilots that learned from others.
Let me say this once again. RAWMI is LISTING several CA Cow Share operations in the next 60 days and even a small raw dairy operation in New Mexico. We feed all and serve all producers. There are no raw milk producers that we consider competition. A good raw milk producer is a teacher and that makes us all brothers in a single effort….nourishing and feeding people. This effort expands markets….there is no competition, only nutritional heroism in the face of detractors and Food Inc greed and jealousy.
I will let our actions speak louder than any words.
No raw milk producer is obligated to work with RAWMI. And herdshares and family-cow owners can certainly try to maintain their privacy. I’m just not convinced that the regulators are going to respect it. Apparantly, our practices were already “transparent” to the regulators. And if TPTB already know where we are and think they know what we are doing, I would prefer that they get their facts straight. I want to be the one to tell them exactly what we are doing and how great it is, rather than allowed them to speculate about what were are doing. I’m not sure we have much to lose by intentional transparency.
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No raw milk producer is obligated to work with RAWMI. A Freudian slip?
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Shawna, you say I’m not sure well neither are the rest of us. I think Mark’s tone speaks volumes.
Sorry Mark. Like I said before I really love hearing you speak about raw milk.
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If regulators cared about California – RAWMI they would have adopted them themselves. Why would they want us doing their job? Yes they know what we are doing selling raw milk. They don’t care how. We all know this. Don’t we? Of course they know how great it is thats why they have been ordered to eliminate it at all costs. http://youtu.be/h0CQrL5nzwo
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And then there’s these special treats I just recently found for CIA Mary:
http://www.marysgonecrackers.com/your-products/crackers
Enjoy what you wish and value = priceless.
You can’t appease fascism, including today’s corporatist variety. No matter what one tells them, they’ll continue to “speculate”, i.e. invent, anything they like. As you say, probably correctly, you were fully transparent to them in the first place, and it made no difference.
I agree that this movement needs intentional transparency. Indeed this transparency is one of the core premises of Community Food which renders it vastly more healthy in every way than the corporate food system. Trying to hide in a hole will not work, and is unworthy of human beings.
But this transparency is for the people, not for the government. It’s for eaters and the public, not for the corporatist thugs.
In the end, the people must decide whether the corporate food system, including the false notion that a central government has any practical or sovereign basis for regulating food (a sector which is naturally local/regional) is “legitimate” or not. So far everyone’s action is to implicitly concede the legitimacy of this thing which, so far as I can see, has nothing but tyrannical intent and the practical effect of creating a massive bottleneck for the force and innovation of the rising Community Food sector.
Do you have a right to produce milk and provide it direct to consumers? Do consumers have a right to procure the foods of their choosing?
To submit to government licensing and regulation is to answer ‘no’ and affirm that these things are only government privileges. But if you think ‘yes’ then its none of the governments business.
Transparency with customers is good but does not equal submission to the government. Mark may push the latter but he’s repeatedly fallen flat on his face with regards to the former with his own dairy.
A small local only farm should not be subjected to the same licensing and regulation requirements as a large scale operation that has an extended distribution system and multi thousands of customers. It’s all about the money, and the little guys can’t afford it.
Safety in food is not guaranteed by regulation. It is not guaranteed, period. Sanitation and proper handling are paramount, but cannot be implemented except by anyone but the people who own it and/or in charge, which is why we in general tend to favor supporting small local business where we can visit the farm and know who we are dealing with and how they operate.
Why the government goes after the small local guys instead of the large scale “Marketeers” is hard to comprehend, maybe Mary or Mark can explain it since they’re part of the process. And the CIA.
Also, politically speaking, the centralization of food production and distribution is a potent tool and weapon of system control and domination, while we the people producing and distributing our own food among ourselves is inherently anti-authoritarian and pro-democracy. So government and corporations also have that political motive.
Getting back to transparency as an ideal, it’s a measure of how deep the system conformism goes that even so many people who are interested in this movement have a knee-jerk authoritarian view of transparency: That “transparency” primarily means being transparent upwards for the benefit of the government, rather than being horizontal for other producers, the customers, prospective customers, and the public.
Ken
Russ, maybe I used the wrong word. I think most of us here do understand and comprehend the basics but, how can the people involved in the government oppression justify their actions and live at peace with themselves? Transparency is only for people with nothing to hide.
Just wait, pretty soon it will also become illegal to harvest your own rainwater because well, if it hasn’t been tested then it is not safe for consumption or sharing or giving to children – same as milk. Never mind that the corporate interests that would like to control that too, and are the ones poisoning it.
Meanwhile, the Food Control Act and the FDA regime which is slated to follow from it does indeed intend to impose onerous regulations on the watering of produce, for “safety” reasons. It may not criminalize harvesting rainwater, but they intend to make it as legally difficult as possible to use it for irrigation.