Michael Schmidt welcomes police and regulators to his dairy in a 2012 raid.
Ever since an Ontario judge issued a permanent injunction barring Michael Schmidt from distributing raw milk to the 150 or so members of his food cooperative nearly two weeks ago, I’ve been waiting for the long protesting dairy farmer to pull a new rabbit out of his hat to allow the milk to continue flowing. After all, that is what he’s done for the last 24 years.
I expect he’ll come riding out from a farm field on horseback to try to chase the enforcers off his property if they give him a hard time, as he did once before. Or that he’ll launch yet another hunger strike until they disappear. Or that he’ll just ignore them, as he has any number of times in the past, and continue his simple business of supplying milk to families that desperately want the stuff. Or that he’ll organize his coop members to storm Ontario’s parliament and force its members to finally legalize what he’s been providing safely for so long.
But as the icy winter days tick by, and nothing happens, I begin to wonder if this time is different. That maybe Schmidt has pulled the last rabbit out of his well worn hat, and that the hat is now empty.
Schmidt says that what makes this time different from all the other legal obstacles thrown in his path before is that now he’s being threatened with criminal penalties if he fails to obey. That would likely mean huge fines and more jail time, on top of the 60-day sentence he received late last year for allegedly interfering with the regulators and blocking their confiscation truck during a 2015 raid.
The permanent injunction imposed by an Ontario judge on Jan. 5 is a disheartening thud for the internationally known protester after 24 years of resisting government efforts to shut him down. In a 25-page decision, the judge, P.W. Sutherland, indicated he was impressed by the 15,000 pages of supporting material Schmidt submitted tracing his efforts to provide raw milk on a private cooperative basis to his 150 members. “The voluminous material provided by the respondents and the (coop members) indicated that there is a high demand for the consumption of raw milk and raw milk products,” the judge stated. “The demand is based on cultural, health, life choices and religious reasons. All these reasons are laudable and legitimate.”
Legitimate, perhaps, but not legal. Despite his sympathies, the judge declined to allow classification of the Schmidt’s group’s arrangement as a “family farm,” since the members aren’t blood relatives. And he declined to declare that “exceptional circumstances” exist, which would have allowed him to avoid issuing an injunction.
The judge seemed to talk himself out of using options he could easily have applied to allow Schmidt to continue serving the coop members. Sutherland concluded he was obligated to declare Schmidt’s unlicensed dairy illegal under Ontario’s Milk Act and its Health Protection and Promotion Act (HPPA), which essentially sanction a government-run cartel of licensed dairies.
Even if he obeys completely the newest order, Schmidt still faces the prospect of a steep penalty for court costs covering the injunction, likely totaling many thousands of dollars. Should he not obey the injunction, he could face further financial penalties and prison time.
One gets the sense in talking with Schmidt that he’s tired of going it alone. Yes, he’s had lots of supporters at his court appearances, but in the end, the legal burden has fallen nearly entirely on him.
Of course, much of that is intentional, part of a government process of wearing him down. As Schmidt noted, there were 70 people involved in blocking the government’s truck confiscating his dairy’s food and equipment back in 2015, but in the end, “The only person convicted was me.”
As it turns out, the government won’t be rid of raw milk. Thanks to Schmidt’s example, lots more Ontario dairies are selling raw milk illegally than was the case 24 years ago. An unknown number of Ontario citizens are traveling to Vermont and bringing raw milk with them back across the border.
As in much of the U.S., Canadian regulators are choosing to look the other way when it comes to black-market milk.
Schmidt made his decision long ago to legally challenge Canada’s dairy cartel, rather than going the underground route, and now he seems resigned to living with the consequences. He and his wife, Elisa, talk about possibly selling grass-fed beef, pork, and lamb. They also talk about setting up a music center at their farm. Any further political action, such as a campaign to convince Ontario’s parliament to change the province’s strict no-raw-milk dairy laws, must come from coop members and others, Schmidt indicated. “Unless you put your own skin in the game, don’t feel sorry for us,” he told me.
Whatever they choose to do, you know it will be done beautifully. In the meantime, it will be very sad to see such a passionate caretaker of the land and dairy cows forced out of the occupation he so enjoyed, and carried out so well.
The judge may have sympathized, but obviously there is little room for compassion in a government-run mafia.
So Canada will be legalizing dope, but not raw milk. Must stop banging my head against the wall. All the best to the Schmidt’s in raising meat animals on pasture.
@ Gary: I’m just glad to see Canada legalize anything at all, which is a step above what the USA is doing by burying its head in the sand about almost everything connected with health, whether for good or bad, except pocket-bursting premiums which have been the fallout from obozocare and Rx drugs (read: legal) with more side effects than you can shake a stick at. Murphy’s Law: if the USA can do something wrong, it will.
All good wishes to Michael and his family with raising all sorts of good meats, and providing comforting music in their barn. He will probably do better with those endeavors, in more ways than one, than with raw milk (with a lot less hassle).
D, Take heart in this statement by Winston Churchill
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing after they’ve tried everything else.”
@ Ken: Churchill was probably more right than wrong, too! Reminds me of Margaret Thatcher who said “socialism is wonderful – until you run out of other people’s money”.
These people seem to know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
The only reason Canada is legalizing cannabis is because they fully intend to run a “government cartel” there as well; designed to squash small producers and use inane legislation to promote the interest of “licenced producers” which are a long list of corrupt the politicians, CEO’s and police who benefited from jailing these people and will do so even more with new legislation, while they mine the goldrush.
@ Melissa: Maybe so, but at least it’s a foot in the door for the citizens of Canada. People have to start somewhere in getting things legislated. Something like this shouldn’t take years because it’s already, what, a 5,000+ year old herb? They’ve had plenty of time to study it but NOW they show an interest because the people are showing an interest. Not everything starts out at the top – people have to keep pushing to get things to the top if they want success in “alternative” methods. Yes sir, something 5,000 years old is considered alternative. There will be many games to play before sanity takes hold, I’m sure.
That is sad, but I certainly can understand why!! With the utmost respect, I send Best wishes To Michael Schmidt in any new endeavors he ventures onto, he is a very strong individual and I am sure he will succeed in whatever new direction life takes him.
My Hat is Off To You Sir!!
John Dutcher
The current Ontario Government and Canadian Federal government have little respect and tolerance for conscientious objectors especially if they are raw milk consumers, prolife advocates and parents who are apposed to vaccinating and or the teaching of insidious sex education to their children.
Sadly, the same can be said of the US Govt as well. And the media is their partner in castigating and finding these folks guilty of crimes against society (even if they haven’t broken a specific law) before they ever go to trial. Basically, between govt intimidation and harassment and biased and unfair media coverage with an agenda, a person’s life can absolutely be ruined for the reasons that you list above, even if they never break any law.
I thank him for his service!
Political progress may be on a different track in the far west of Canada in BC. I am working with a small group of very smart raw milk activists that are fully engaged and using science, lobbying, university professors, and relationships to turn the tide.
It will take time but I am very encouraged.
If I were Mike I would quietly declare victory. Go deep underground. Give the farm to a collective of consumers and have owners come to the farm to get their own milk. It will be impossible to check every car that leaves with ice chests. Let this be a slow burn, long term consumer based fight. Time for Mike to spread the stress and share it with many. They can wear their own targets and bear their own burdens.
If the people of Canada want raw milk….all must bear the burden.
Mark
mark is 100% correct
this is the true meaning of helping your farmer not just eating their food
possibly every one in that co-op starts their own private co-op even if its getting 5 people.
make many co-ops as there are members out of the original co-op which is michael.Maybe?
As fresh milk is not legal milk it must be something else … Time to sell fresh cows necture harvested with the best sterilized procedures for better health
@ Art: What is “necture”???
I would venture to say he meant nectar, LOL!!
Contact me and I can tell you 55 places you can get raw milk, cheese, butter either picked up at the farm or delivered in Ontario! Thanks to all Michael Schmidts hard work to keep the attention on him! This has let the underground raw milk industry grow, even some licenced dairy farmers are in the game of selling raw milk in your area. Call 705-328-7197 or email treasureislandresort@hotmail.com KEEP RAW MILK FLOWING IN ONTARIO!
Beautiful comment, thank you for the silver lining and respect you gave, as well as the service you are doing!
thats right …..and they are making more money now as a result i believe
Thank you for posting my service for to hook people up to get RAW MILK in ONTARIO! Bill Denby
Michael Schmidt needs to research the jury nullification doctrine, so that if he gets charged with anything criminal, he should have the right to a jury trial where he can take the witness stand and testify that the government has produced no victim, and where there is no victim there is no crime, so he is not guilty. In closing argument, he or his attorney MUST be willing to instruct the jurors that they sit as JUDGES and may use their discretion to not enforce any law they believe to be unlawfully enacted or enforced by the government! Read more at http://www.fija.org
Leon, Canada is not the 51st state, no matter what your nation’s Manifest Destiny” doctrine says. Stop advising Canadians on what to do, based on American law.
Leon … first, in the Dominion of Canada, we don’t have the right to a jury trial unless the the Defendant is charged with an offence in which the potential sentence is 5 years or more in prison. Second ; jury nullification did occur, in Canada, in the trials – plural – of abortionist Henry Morgue+Dollar. But it NEVER happens here, because any lawyer saying such a thing out loud, would find himself charged with contempt in facie, and hauled out of the Courtroom by the Sheriff, IMMEDIATEMENT
In one of his trials, a juror came back to Court from a break, and told the judge that he’d been offered a bribe to acquit Morgue-y. The judge let that juror go, then never polled the others! Just one of the little anecdotes proving that most crimes are committed by the govt. The rationale by the Supremely Foolish Court of Canada, was ; that since juries would not convict Morgue-y, the law against artificial abortion had to go. So today this Dominion suffers wholesale slaughter of unborn children, whose body parts are then merchandised. How do you like feminism, so far?
To all that may read this: Michael has supported all raw milk dairy farmers in more ways than he will ever know and has paid the price for all of us in the USA and Canada. I still believe if I am ever in jail he will be there to support me in any way he can. I continue to educate all the people, government or people wanting to learn from the pioneers of the movement. If we believe in rights of the people we have to educate all. Children maybe where we have to start and they will teach our leaders. Michael, you will always mean so much to me, when you were willing to hear my story. WOW how powerful was that as I was a nobody with a little dairy farm in Oregon trying to make a living. Thank you and thank you Gary for your support also.
sorry David instead of Gary
Thanks to all the Raw Milk Buyers that have e mailed and called about our service, Our service is very detailed and requires back round checks of the buyers before we provide any locations of our suppliers. Be prepared to have a one on one meeting with us, we need a copy of your Social& Drivers licence, address where you live, so we can check you out to make sure your not a spy for the Government agencies DFO or Local Health Units! We protect our Suppliers& will not put them at risk! Thanks for over 200 inquiry in to our Service on hooking up our Suppliers with the buyers wanting RAW MILK! Thank you, Bill
what needs to be done now is all you raw milk farmers have to try and get your members to turn the tables on the big ag now
I’m sure many of your member shave personal stories as far as getting sick with conditions from the pasteurized crap.They have to be personally documented.
this needs to go to a court of law and the department of health and to their private doctors they need to get letters stating this
send out emails to all your members asking for this help.
Isne that why we all are drinking your beautiful raw dairy anyway?
So we have to try and get proof to bite them back
would this work??
If we all did this starting today see out emails
meant “share” where it says shave
Hi Kathy, The government and Courts already have there proof Raw Milk is Safe,8,000 people on Dairy farms drink raw milk every day and never get sick! What we really need to do is build is build a separate system under ground for Producers and buyers to be able to Drink and enjoy RAW MILK! Stop trying to convince the Courts, DFO and health Units to allow people to chose, Instead BUILD OUR OWN SAFE SYSTEM for RAW MILK USEAGE in Ontario. Together we can make it happen, they will wake up faster once they see what we can build, we have 55 raw milk suppliers and Buyers already in the Province. I want to see at least 500 raw milk producers, milking 20 to 25 cows producing the highest quality Raw milk in all of Ontario. We sit next to the biggest market in Canada, the GTA, 8 million people that have come from countries that love and drink RAW MILK! It is time Now ,Michael has given us the years to try and work with Governments and DFO and Health Units to build that system together. Look what they have done to him, NO MORE will we try to work with them ,The market is there and we are going to develop it UNDER GROUND!
Billi Johnson!!! Hello there!!!
What Michael needs is a true raw milk radical like you up in Canada. You rock!!
I totally agree. Michael has given so much to the entire raw milk movement nationally and internationally.
so in your opinion what jus the difference between “underground” and so called “above ground” (their way)
I think you mean
what is the difference
yeah they were horrible to him
hes gonna reign though
i believe just like rosa parks and all others that have paved the way to freedom for us the real hard way not with any lawyers assistance
are going to get many bessings from our creator
hope he protects you and your family Bill
“Rosa Parks” ? … Rosa Parks was a card-carrying commie. Hardly a heroine for the Campaign for REAL MILK. The incident staged on the bus that day was scripted well in advance … since glorified as the defining moment when the Communist Party USA set in motion its agenda to use the Negroes as a blunt weapon for destroying white Christian America. Of course you don’t accept that, because the public fool system made sure you never got the facts. Educate y’rself.
since you brought up the name of “Rosa Parks”, as though she’s some kind of heroine, I dare you to view Dr Makow’s take on her, and – at the same time, fellowtraveller Saint Martin Luther King. Please read it all the way through at
https://www.henrymakow.com/Rosa%20Parks%20-%20Parks-Proof-Communists-Run-America%20.html
WOW!!
Gordon S Watson, I forgive you for your ignorance of what you accused my sister of being.
She was an Apostolic Christian who was baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
not following you here, Richard Barrett … perhaps give me more and better info.? … as long as it pertains to the Campaign for REAL MILK
already, I get the impression that you’re one of those sappy Canadians who can’t so much as turn around, without saying “sorry”.
it may be news to you, but born-again Christians can still be ensnared in grievous error
worse : one of those vapid types who call demselves “Christians” all the while telling me that the Law of our God, is done away with. I am happy to discuss theology with anyone of good will, but, unless it’s about our birthright – the promise of Milk & Honey – then take it elsewhere = off this forum
how was white christian america destroyed gordon…I’m thinking they don’t teach this in the history books
I don’t think you want to go down that path, Kathy. Watson has expounded too often here on his white supremacy viewpoint, so I’d suggest you take a look at some past commentary over the last few years to get that info. But his trashing of Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King give you most of what you need to know.
ok david will do
thanx
Mister Gumpert : if you have more and better information, gain-saying what Dr Makow publishes concerning Rosa Parks as an active communist – America being ruled by those who hate us – I’d be interested to study it. What I see on his website is pretty convincing. It pertains to the Campaign for REAL MILK, because the official policy of Red China TO THIS VERY HOUR is : that the US of A is its mortal enemy, and that it will use any and every means for fighting us, in its drive to impose communism on the whole world. You think the fentnyl plague “just happened” ?
As explained in the NetFlix doc. “Rotten”, foodstuffs coming in to retail shores, being one small proof of the ancient oriental doctrine “white face; black heart”. Speaking to the mother-in-law of a dairyman, yesterday, she tells me that the product of his herd of 200 cows in Ireland, is shipped to China. There = you have one of the proofs we are on the way down the slippery slope into the PigSty of Jesus’ parable of the Prodigal Son. Which is why the Campaign for REAL MILK is so threatening to the corporate world…. the design of the Powers-that-Be is to create a stanglehold on food supply, so they can impose famine in your neighbourhood. Stalin did it in the Soviet Union to destroy his class enemies, namely = Christians. Don’t think it can’t happen here.
gordon
i thought there are so many christians allready here in america.
and alot of them are farmers ?
i thought they outnumber everyone else…no
all things are not what they seem
i think ill just stick with the milk thing sorry david
don’t be sorry, Kathy. Be glad that your post is a platform for a teachable moment. We’re all learning.
If you did read ALL of that article – you’d have the answer to your query “how was white christian America destroyed. But in case you missed it : being the PhD that he is, Dr Makow provides documentation /references substanting that the NAACP was a creation of the the anti-christ Plutocrats, whose wicked agenda, is: to employ any and every means for genocide of the white race. As far-out as that is to accept by someone who comes upon it, this late in the game : the way the domestic enemies of the nation have stolen the nutrition out of our mouths … substituting lies … is part of that overall grand, centuries-long conspiracy. Or would you prefer to believe that the present tragic condition in this country, is just ‘unforeseen consequences of good intentions’?!
When they go low… you go high.
In the end it will not be the screaming of your enemies but the silence of your friends that is the greatest betrayal.
Rise above negative and divisive voices. Build good things… Say good things. Do good things
The dream lives on because the dream was grounded in universal colorblind humanity.
Mark
if you’re “colorblind” Mister McAffee, it’s because you’re not playing with a full deck, ie. taking in information from the real world, properly. God Almighty made the races for his own purposes.
amusing that you keep using that quote by Trans-gender Michelle Obama … as her husband knows all about what the term “down-low” means, from his days frequenting the sodomite whorehouses in Chicago.
“The silence of your friends is the greatest betrayal” ? … how much of a friend were you while 40 million children were murdered by artificial abortion, during your lifetime?. You – of all people, a paramedic – averting your eyes from the patients in the womb when they most needed a friend!
Since you went on and on on this forum all last year, hyperventilating about Donald Trump … culminating in your false prophecy Pence by Xmass” … surely you noticed that he’s the first President to come out and address the March for Life. His predecessors couldn’t muster the testicular wherewithal to stand up and face the voters on THE most important issue of the generation. The world belongs to those who show up. Which would exclude you and alla the morally-castrated males in Ham-merica who pretend would have us believe they ‘don’t know where babies come from’, and that they don’t know ABORTION IS MURDER.
“the dream lives on” you say? What dream would that be? The horror-show that The Golden State, is, after a generation of invaders flooding in to parasitize the place? Oh, that’s right, they all vote the straight Democratic ticket, so that makes it OK. Read the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon, to see what the next stage is, for you. If you think that you’re safe and secure out in Kernan, insulatated from the commies coming ’round and slitting your throats in the middle of the night – as is happening in S Africa this very hour – think again. Like the ANC, La Raza laughs at you … the last thing they are, is “colorblind”
AGAIN< JUST WOW!!! I keep waiting for Mulder and Scully from the x-files to show up here LOL!!!
Life is short, do not have time for the BS!!
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/photos/a.347907068635687.81180.346937065399354/1261268013966250/?type=3
Yea Buddy, Michelle looks like a transgender LOL!!
Gord,
“People don’t realize how hard it is to speak the truth to a world of people that don’t realize they’re living a lie”. Edward Snowden
This Time article paints a different picture of Rosa Parks based on her active involvement with the NAACP and the staged bus event… In reference to historian Jeanne Theoharis, author of “The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks”, the article states, “The bus image meanwhile was staged at a later date; the man sitting in the seat behind her is a reporter.
‘While it’s not good that many people might assume those first two images came from Dec. 1, 1955—when there were no reporters or cameras around— the bigger issue… is that they show her as a passive, quiet, accidental player in the civil rights struggle rather than the life-long activist she really was. And the problems with the pictures can be seen as a metaphor for the problems with the whole story of Rosa Parks.”
http://time.com/4125377/rosa-parks-60-years-video/
I am not about to second-guess Rosa Park’s true intention on Dec. 1 1955. I was only 2 years old at the time and as with most outside observers this would mean that I would have to trust someone else’s interpretation of the events. I have frustratingly come to realize that the interpretation of historical events tend to be ambiguous and often misleading.
The line drawn between human beings with different skin colors to justify white privilege is absurd and unconscionable just as the line that is drawn between the born and unborn child and likewise between a woman’s rights and the rights of her unborn child in order to justify abortion is equally absurd and unconscionable. Attempting to justify white privilege and abortion inherently disenfranchises every human being from objective value.
Despite what’s going on in the world around us I remain steadfast in my faith in Christ. Again in the words of Edward Snowden, “Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped”.
Thank You Ken!!
Michael Schmidt is a brave and wonderful man. We cannot overestimate the service he has provided to those who seek food choice. If he needs to change strategies right now so that he can live to fight another day, I salute him and wish him the best of luck.
gordon
doesnt jesus say to love all ” Nations”
that means black folks right??
or no
im just wondering if i have something wrong here…like a lie i have been told all these years.please tell me
im ignorant maybe to alot here
thanx
don’t reply to any of my ???
i think i know what this all means
thanx gordon
Kathy = if you can find that phrase in the Scriptures, I’d be surprised. You strike me as one of the people who like to think of themselves as Christian, yet have never read the course textbook – the Bible. Sure, you’ve read a few pages here and there, and you have a few favourite passages for supporting your theology, but you don’t have a grasp of what it actually says. The Bible is the handbook of government for the Israel-ites … written FOR Israel, TO Israel, and ABOUT Israel. Since we, white people, are direct descendants of the man, Jacob whose name was changed to Israel, then God’s Law as presented in that book, is our heritage. Tragically, you – like this whole nation – have been bamboozled by pulpit parrots preaching a false gospel of ‘easy believe-ism” / “universal salvation”.
For the record … No : I do NOT preach “Israel only”. When the Kingdom of Heaven is established ON THE EARTH, individuals from every family on earth – race – will be its citizens. The test for entry being: whether you acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel, and King in that Kingdom. Until He returns, we can have that Kingdom here and now for brief moments. So why not practice obedience, in preparation?! The agriculture and food laws, is an easy place to start.
WHERE THE HELL DID ALL THIS GARBAGE COME FROM ABOUT RELIGION AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD! THIS IS ABOUT SETTING UP A PIPELINE FULL OF RAW MILK FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY AND CONSUME RAW MILK PRODUCTS! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD OR WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXSIST. IF THERE WAS THIS ALL MIGHTIE THING EAN WHY DO LITTLE CHILDREN DIE FROM CANCER, OR BE KILLED IN CAR ACCIDENTS!THERE IS NO PROVE THAT THIS GUY EVEN DONE THE THINGS PEOPLE THINK AND WAS ONLY WRITTEN BY PEOPLE THAT COULD TELL A GOOD STORY AND IT GOT PASSED DOWN FOR CENTURIES! IF THERE WERE A GOD WHY WOULD IT ALLOW THE PRIEST TO RAPE CHILDREN AND WOMEN,EVERY FAITH HAS SICK BASTARDS RUNNING THE CHRUCH AND STEALING PEOPLE MONEY IN THE NAME OF GOD! THE SUN IS GOD AND THE MOON IS THE DEVIL, HEAVEN IS RIGHT HERE ON EARTH AND WE CONTROL OUR OWN LIVES! I AM VERY SORRY PEOPLE HAVE TO RELY ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REAL, IF IT WAS WHY THEN DOES HE NOT STOP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STOPPING OTHER PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO RAW MILK! PLEASE GET BACK TO WHAT OUR GOAL IS, TO SET UP A UNDER GROUND SUPPLY FOR RAW MILK PRODUCERS AND BUYERS! THANK YOU BILL
if you are sincerely interested in answers to those questions, read the Book. ‘Til you do, you’re ignorant of the foundation of Western thought, and what build white civilization. Ditch the non-sense told to you by the relgious racketeers ( of all stripes). Get the facts and think for yourself.
America is the land of milk and honey. REAL MILK is one of the promises our God made to us = “butter and honey shall he eat … “.
Educate yourself, Mr Denby, before you open your yap with all that trite non-sense puked out by typical anti-christs
I DO get Stuff!! LOL!! Oh! You meant stuffed!!! I Do that too, stuffed on my homegrown and wonderful foods LOL!! ALong with my illegal dairy products!!
AND speaking of Puke Gordy Ol’ Lad!!
Like my old man, the Marine Korean war veteran used to always say ALL Religion is just BUllSHIt to control the masses!!
HEY JOHN…..stop saying they are” illegal DAIRY PRODUCTS”
they are PERFECTLY LEGAL
EVEN IN A JOKE THIS SHOULD NOT BE SAID
Actually Kathy, they are illegal in some places, does not REALLY matter, does it??
Your uppercase emphasis brought to mind this comment by CS Lewis, “We can ignore even pleasure. But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
Bill Denby…hi…theres always gonna be good and evil bill . and everyone asks the same thing if there was a god why would he let such bad things happen.well he does sometimes and intervenes and other times there is no divine intervention.Its just like people on the street everywhere…doctors especially sometimes they can “save” you other times they cannot….Its so poisonous and horrible .dont worry if they don’t get punishment when they are alive i do believe they get it big when they die….but they have to say sorry to god before hand,while they are alive and truly mean it so more mercy will be bestowed upon them at death
just like if you had a boss at your workplace and you did something wrong does he not chastise you.and if you don’t say sorry.well he may just fire you and make your life more miserable.ever hear in a court of law ..And the defendant showed no signs of remorse…no empathy.anyway I’m not sure if I’m 1005 right i have to ask an imam or a reverend but their answers are almost exactly the same.im not sure about the rabbi …but it may be the same also.i think gordon is right on some things.
AMEN BROTHER!!!
Bill Denby,
I am not an atheist, I consider myself an agnostic. I, too, am very tired of hearing about religion, ALL OF THEM!!! The Dalai Lama said the time for conversion is past, He IS right. We are ALL going to find out when we die. I don’t worry about the here after, I have tried to do good all my life( most of the time anyway LOL)and IF there is more after, then I am quite sure I won’t be punished too severely!!! And if I am wrong, so be it!!
Time for illegal milk, illegal eggs, illegal bacon and legal toast LOL!!!
Gordon, please keep your “stuff” to yourself!!!
as for your advice, Mister Dutcher, a captain in the Cdn Army, my old man taught me to carry on the British traditions, particularly, the admonition to idiots like you “just GET STUFFE!”
Likewise Gordon!! I’ll get stuffed, you get choked LOL!!!
One more thing, my wife is pleading with me to stop communicating with Gordon ,she is quite afraid of him and what he might do, she thinks he is going to show up at our home, I find that a bit amusing myself. I told her I would try to stop, but sometimes I just cannot help myself LOL!!!
David,
My apologies for hijacking this site temporarily, I will try to be better!!!
Gordon most people today do not go to church for the very reasons I raised ,they are tired of people like you that are fanatics about God & Jesus! Who no one has ever seen, are you sane or live in a world of make believe, it appears you might have some mental health issues. I would seek help before you get locked up for being crazy! Your garbage is all about control, you are no different then the very people that have followed Michael over the years! They two think they are saving people by protecting them from RAW MILK, you need to have a good look in the mirror. you are not much different! I am first nation decent, we have practiced that the Sun is our god for Centuries because it give life and without it you have nothing! The moon is the Devil because most bad things happen when the Sun is gone, these two facts stand the test of time! The truth is we all what the Sun can do every day and when the Moon comes at night it releases the devil in all of us! Some people just know how to handle both! Good luck Gordon on your road to recovery! Regards, Bill
The sun is not God, the moon is not the devil. What “test of time” are you talking about?
Where on earth do people get these strange notions?
Farmers have, for centuries, been planting crops and doing other farm chores according to the phases of the moon and they certainly were not crazy. You, on the other hand, seem borderline.
And, just so you know, there are just as many crimes (“bad things”) that happen during daylight hours as there are at night.
Bill and John,
I highly recommend this video.
Ken,
I don’t have speakers, could not hear it. But from the comments I get the drift, I am not an atheist( as I previously stated), but I am NOT a believer either. I honestly cannot say if God exists or he doesn’t. I truly believe religion is and has always been a human control mechanism, trying to give morals and values to the nasty primates that us humans are. Has not worked that great either, look at all the wars, especially over religious ideals( which I find completely ridiculous to fight over “beliefs” that no one can prove). Probably more people have been murdered under the name of religion than any other means.I just cannot buy into it. I do believe,very much, that humans need to not kill each other over an imaginary being( beings) that not one single person can prove the existence of, Amen!
@ John Dutcher: I’m not going to argue “religion” with you, I’m just going to say that from my perspective, what you described above is only believing what you can see, and that means you have no POV of faith. Religion is about faith.
I sincerely cannot believe that you, as a “grower”, can watch plants grow from a seed and not have faith that there is something bigger out there than just you and me and our opinions.
But as I’ve said here before, to each his own. Personally, I have had faith in many things I cannot see, and I’d be willing to bet if you gave it some serious thought, you have too.
I do have “faith”, just not in the manner that most folks associate with religion. I have faith that if I work for it, I will get what I need when I need it, I have faith there will be a sunrise and a sunset tomorrow and you are correct in saying that I have faith in some things I cannot see or touch, such as human will power, for one example. I do not have faith in Any religion, I do not have faith that there is a heaven and a hell, I do not have faith that there is one God as prescribed in the manner that the Methodist church taught me as a child.With all due respect, Faith does not mean that one has to believe in religion. Also, as you said, each to their own :>)
D.Smith,
When I see a seed sprout, I understand the science behind it and I do not see a need to think along the lines of “something bigger out there”, which there may be, but most likely not in the manner that religion states to be true.
@ John Dutcher: So, if something is based on “science” rather than belief or faith, that makes it easier for you to believe?
And I didn’t say faith equals religion. I said faith is believing in that which you cannot see.
When a seed sprouts and grows into something, it isn’t because some scientist created the first seed. So where did it come from?
D.Smith,
Understanding the mechanics of the seed to fruit/veggie is all I need to understand :>) As far as where did the seed come from is the same as the old question: which came first, the chicken or the egg? I never said a scientist created the seed??????? I do not wonder about things like that, some things just are.
@ John Dutcher: The “mechanics” of a seed? Chicken and the egg? That is the dumbest response I’ve ever read from someone who is supposedly educated. Why are you dancing around the issue?
I didn’t say that you claimed a scientist created the first seed, you have poor reading and comprehension skills. It was a question – do you understand the concept of a question? You didn’t say where you think the seed came from so let’s try that again – do you think a scientist created the first seed or where did it come from? Nobody is going to hold you to your answer, I’m just curious about what you think on that issue.
WHY don’t you wonder about “things like that”?
its not over religion its always over natural resources and milk raw milk is certainly one and water wars have already started…its never about religion..they just throw that in as the excuse to GO TO WAR and have us all wake up and hate one another
its always been about money not religion
Kathy said “its not over religion its always over natural resources and milk raw milk is certainly one and water wars have already started…”
I invite you all to check out this article for some recent perspective on the “water wars.” Wonder how long it will take for California/Arizona/Nevada/Texas to become like this too…
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/01/24/africa/cape-town-water-crisis-trnd/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
not to worry about H20. Canada has about one fifth of all the fresh water on the surface of the land mass. Plus, there’s untold quantity of water yet to be brought up from the “fountains of the deep”. One of the gifts given to our ancestor, Jacob whose name was changed to Israel, was = he and his tribe can find water. An enormous competitive advantage, there in the ancient holyland.
60 years ago, my old man told me about the North American Water and Power Alliance … the centuries-old plan to Channel-ize North America so as to get fresh water to the South. One of the main issues in last year’s election in British Columbia, being : whether to go ahead with the dam at Site C. Of course it was going to go ahead, regardless of which party won. The cover story being = that the dam is for generation of electricity. But the ulterior reason is ; as part of NAWAPA.
a recent decision in the Supreme Court of BC, re-opened the possibility of fresh water being exported in bulk from BC. See the “water wars” website operated by John Carten.
ora moose..i will try and watch …thanx
since i like water more than most people not just to drink it..but i have a real yearning for water since i am 29 years old.
i can actually find it when my mind is correct without the dousing tools.
when i was homeschoioling my daughter 15 years ago i asked her if she wanted to do a project on water and wars around it which i believed at the time and still do will happen
right after sept 11th i was aware of this
we did it and it was shown at the museum of natural history
we had the most viewers out of all and the most questions.
and then theres primary water …it is a renewable treasure..
the bottled water industry wants this kept secret always has.if you have enough land and want a contact person to drill for this i have the person that can…he just has to see a typographical map first of your property.
primary water is not taught in the books in school.
The North American Water and Power Alliance (NAWPA or NAWAPA, also referred to as NAWAPTA from proposed governing body the North American Water and Power Treaty Authority) is a proposed continental water management scheme conceived in the 1950s by the US Army Corps of Engineers. The planners envisioned diverting water from some rivers in Alaska south through Canada via the Rocky Mountain Trench and other routes to the US and would involve 369 separate construction projects. The water would enter the US in northern Montana. There it would be diverted to the headwaters of rivers such as the Colorado River and the Yellowstone River. Implementation of NAWAPA has not been seriously considered since the 1970s, due to the array of environmental, economic and diplomatic issues raised by the proposal.[1][2] Western historian William deBuys wrote that “NAWAPA died a victim of its own grandiosity.”[2]
Ken,
Also, I just do not do you tube, eats up too much data for much of nothing, but “Thank You!!
it was good ken thanx
Bill Denby … coming in late to this forum, you don’t realize you’re dealing with a Court-certified religion fanatic. That would be me. Read the Bible, some time and ALL of it. You’ll see that this is how it goes with the prophetic type.
as for your religion, every weekend my job as a taxidriver takes me to the e Indian Reserves here in Saanich BC. Would it further the discussion, for me to post images of what shitholes they are … from the point where the white man’s roads end and your so-called “First Nations” govern demselves, according to their tradition? First and last = the 3rd world conditions on Indian Reserves in Canada is direct result of what the false gods your people worship, visited on them. See Wade Davis’ book The Serpent and the RAinbow, which is about voodoo in Haiti, yet applies perfectly to the West Coast Salish spirit dance cult. A few miles away from the reserves, is Dean Park / every house on the street is worth a million $. Come see for yourself the result of how the Protestant work ethic [ which our God programmed in to us as part of him writing His law on the hearts and minds of Israelites, ie. us, White people ] – manifests in objective reality, versus your world of myth.
Not a day goes by that I don’t take some local Indian people to the supermarket in the taxicab, where they buy dairy products = all of which are produced by white Christian farm families. I have yet to meet an Indian who has so much as grown a patch of potatoes for himself, let alone gets out and does the milking chores. No, since the whiteman rowed ashore in BC the aborigines gave up working for a living, and hang around the trading post.
But it’s not just Vancouver Island = the failed cultures of aborigines are eyesores from coast to coast, for those who admit the facts.
Bill Denby : save your breath about “it’s all the white man’s fault”. That one’s wearing awfully thin. And what good does it do you, to keep on playing the Blame Game of learned helplessness?
I harp-away on this forum provoke to conscience of my own nation. You go your way and most likely, I’ll go mine.
Gordon,
I will agree with you on one thing, you ARE a fanatic, in many ways LOL!!
Worshipping the almighty dollar is VERY christian like, Even Jesus hated money and usury. And you seem to be promoting a false God LOL!! Million dollar homes, that really proves something all right!!
https://www.alternet.org/economy/how-medieval-churches-used-witch-hunts-gain-more-followers
Bill,
Protestants are the only ones that count, don’t you know!! And ALL of this coming from a “Taxi Driver?????????? Sounds more like a Broadway play LOL!!
Back to Michael Schmidt, I sure hope he can find some peace, and quiet( for a change). Someone like him is not going to sit very still for very long!!
Guaranteed safe pasteurized dairy products, this is going on right now:
Ice Cream Bars for kids:
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2018/01/dozens-of-brands-of-ice-cream-bars-now-on-recall-for-listeria/#.WmaBPa6nGpo
Baby Formula
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2018/01/authorities-search-french-factory-amid-baby-food-recall/#.WmaDsU2WxD8
Wow…where is FDA John Sheehan? Is he laid off? Do the promises, warranties and guarantees of pasteurized food safety perfection leave with him on vacation?
Mark,
Pasteurization makes ALL the difference, Doesn’t it?? IT SURE DOES!! MAKES YOU SICK!!
Did anyone notice that it seems the French gov has the authority to force a recall, here the corporations just have to “cooperate” with the FDA or the USDA, according to which food product it is, just seems a bit strange to me.
Hey everyone….lets get back what Jesus ate.
Tomorrow morning the CA Humboldt County Board of Supervisors will hold a hearing to hear testimony and receive documentation as to whether they will lift the county ban on the production and sale of raw milk. It should be very interesting. The activists have been working very hard to court the five board members.
In the end it will be the relationships with the dairy industry that make the change or not. The local health department director swears it will be over his dead body that raw milk is sold in Humboldt. That’s quite a commitment.
Several moms are going to testify and explain that pasteurized milk makes their kids very sick….allergic and makes them break out in rash. But raw milk is perfectly fine and even helps kids recover from the processed milk reactions!! The moms will say that they are sick and tired of paying the UPS charges to have raw milk shipped to their homes!
11 local stores sent letters asking for the ban to be lifted!
The OPDC delivery truck delivers raw cheese to these stores, but not raw milk, butter, kefir or cream.
The rest of the 39 million people of CA have access to raw milk from 650 stores….but not little Humboldt county with its primary crop of Marijuana
We will see how things go with the vote. The activists have promised to take this vote to the people in a referendum if it fails tomorrow. They have already collected enough registered voters to add this to the ballot in the fall.
I hope that Humboldt knows that raw milk will just keep coming back until the people win. Its just a matter of time.
Crossing my fingers for Humboldt….but not holding my breath. I won’t be there upon request….to much pressure and heat.
Mark
i like the part about how the moms will testify ion how the pasteurized milk gets their kids sick with rashes etc…
and how the raw milk cures it all
amazing even to this day when i hear this
just amazing
thankyou god for your medicine food
WHAT THE HELL DOES RELIGION ,POLITICS ,ROSA PARKS ,JESUS ,DONALD TRUMP ,OBAMA, SANTA CLAUSE OR THE TOOTH FAIRY HAVE TO DO WITH RAW MILK .The debate over raw milk should be based on the merits of raw milk versus other types of milk of which there are now plenty .I have never seen such a biased bunch of so called adults in my many years dealing with the public.It also appears that this blog has an inordinate amount of PHD grads based on the knowledge of subjects discussed ,or so it seems.
William,
It is called “humanity”, humans are odd creatures LOL!!
had you actually read the posts, you’d be able to answer your own question, Mister March = someone with a jr high school reading comprehension level, can understand my essential point : ie whole fresh pure milk, un-cooked, is part of the heritage of the white race, as promised to us in the Word of our God. ……but of course you want to play the silly-bugger = that’s your job! … obvious from your postings = your role is to be one those whom the Bible tells us, is sent “to wear out the saints”. Not to worry. The Bible is an anvil which has worn out many a hammer … the railings of men far more intelligent than the way you come across.
when the world began gordon i thought most were dark people
as all this god jesus ..prophets came from the middle east didn’t they?
everyone is dark there not white..oh you do get your green eyed blond palestinians i see today but back then not to much everyone was dark including jesus i think
Kathy … you’re right out to lunch, having been bamboozled by the Public Fool System. Educate yourself The evidence that modern Caucasians are directly descended from the man, Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel, is overwhelming, for those with the intellectual integrity to examine it
im not that smart sometimes gordon
but i had raw milk for lunch
i think the raw milk made me smarter
william…all these folks are connected to raw milk directly and indirectly
haven’t you ever see the movie TOUCH
so milk was first for the dark people i think
Kathy,
See what a nice person Gordon is, slams you right out of the gate, he is demeaning to most everyone, so do not take it personally :>) You seem like a really nice lady and I don’t want you take this the wrong way, but it seems to me you have lived a bit of a sheltered life and are somewhat naive, not a slam, just an observation :>) I hope you do not have thin skin, to post on here you have to be able to take some harsh criticism from a cretin, I mean certain ones.
Mark,
I think darker skinned Middle Easterners people were probably milking Camels long before white people even tasted any milk, but I know a certain fella will vehemently disagree. I would even venture to wager that Jesus even drank camels milk LOL!!
gordon…what kinda white are you ….from what country originally is your ethnic roots
mine are from ireland and wales and italy
hi john…maybe you and i think different…i just think its a GIFT from god
not illegal.
Sarcasm Kathy :>)
HI JOHN….no just stating a FACT
FAITH LIKE POTATOES
GOOD MOVIE
John D .Humanity = Compassion -Sympathetic -Generous It seems a lot of humanity is lacking in some of the comments I read on this forum . Gordon W. Some people say TRUMP is a raciest I dont believe he is ,but I know you are . Kathy I have not seen the movie Touch and have no desire to .
William,
I will agree with you on the humanity thing. Trump IS a racist though, unless, of course, your female LOL!!
John,
I don’t share the worn out narrative that Trump is a racist…
Consider this National Review commentary by Ben Shapiro.
“We can’t have a productive conversation that starts from the premise that Trump is a racist overall, and that every action he takes and every statement he makes is therefore covered with the patina of racism. That conversation is about insults, not truth. None of this excuses Trump’s idiotic and obscene statements. And none of it means that the media are wrong to criticize those statements. But applying the “racist” tag to Trump as a human being isn’t journalism. It’s laziness and opportunism masquerading as bravery. And it only alienates Americans who would prefer to analyze events and statements with clear eyes, rather than through the prism of Trump’s supposed bigotry.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455467/media-call-trump-racist-what-end
I just state it the way I see it, matters not to me what others think about it. I grew up in the southern USA and know racism when I see it, I grew up with it being very flagrant. Other than that I can easily discuss his merits or lack thereof without having to have his racism play into it. Is that not how one communicates?? By keeping an open mind on issues other than just one? But I do disagree with Shapiro’s statement, no one fits every mold.
I can agree with a lot Rand Paul says, but Trump not being a racist is one I can’t, I know it when I see it. We can just agree to disagree on that one subject matter LOL!!
And again this Personal liberty article of a Fox News interview with Rand Paul…
“Over the weekend, Paul defended Trump following widespread condemnation over his “sh*thole” remarks.
“’Some people in the media have just gone completely bonkers with ad hominem on the president,’ he said.
“The Kentucky lawmaker said Monday that defending the president earned him hateful abuse online. He also explained why he believes it’s inaccurate to label Trump a racist for calling Haiti and other third-world countries by the derogatory name.
“’When I went to Haiti a few years ago I went on a medical mission trip and we did cataract surgery for 200 people who were largely blind before their surgery,” Paul said. “I asked for donations before I went on the trip. One of them was to a businessman Donald J. Trump. Who not only helped with the trip to Haiti, but helped with a previous trip we took to Central America.”
“’Twitter was filled with hatred toward me, wishing me violence,” he added. “I read two dozen tweets wishing me violence. I read a couple dozen more calling me a racist. It really doesn’t make the dialogue any better in our country. In fact, you know I think it makes it more likely to be violent out there if we’re talking about how we hate each other when it is in fact not really true.’”
https://personalliberty.com/paul-derides-bonkers-attacks-trump/
WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE COME FROM,WOW REALLY THIS IS ABOUT RAW MILK NOT YOU IDIOTS WITH YOUR GARBAGE! BILL
BILL WITH THE SHOUTING TYPEFACE … if you bothered to read what I posted, you’d see how it pertains to the Campaign for REAL MILK. Very obviously, you haven’t.
I get the impression you’re one of those modern millenial types, who are UN-able to consider more than one concept at a time, so I’ll dumb-it-down for you : on Mister Gumpert’s website forum we discuss the politics of raw milk for human consumption. Politics is as wide-ranging as anything gets. People act according to what they really believe … often called “their religion”
Bill,
Almost every subject there is has or will be approached on this site, in my experience here in the last few years.
Interesting news today about Rotten. I spoke with Ken Christopher of Christopher Ranch Garlic. He was very upset, just like me.
He had decided to not be interviewed by Rotten producers and Rotten used that as a ploy to make him look like a criminal because of his refusal to be interviewed. OPDC did the oposite and did agree to be interviewed after being told that it was a very positive story about raw milk only to have our throats slit.
I got a copy of the release statement. The statement that I had reviewed only briefly and superficially. The fine print was loaded with all sorts of limitations and exclusions and liability releases.
Suffice it to say that I just got a real lesson taught by screwed crooked liars. They promised me one thing and delivered something completely different. The same happened to Chas Self and his little organic raw milk dairy in Wisconsin. Chas is really pissed off also.
We are not going to be distracted by Rotten. We are focused on our mission and the high road to our future. Rotten will rot in the dust heap of bad memories and hard won lessons.
I just don’t know how these Rotten producers can sleep at night. Maybe they don’t. Labeling me as a True Crime food criminal and Rotten. That’s really ugly. The lowest.
Pioneers take arrows. We would have been screwed either way. If we had refused to be interviewed they would have called me a criminal that refused to comment. When I did comment….they labeled me a criminal anyway.
Ugly reality. Our customers love us deeply and after the first shock, they have responded with Rotten disgust.
People are the nastiest little primates on earth!!
I can’t say much….but real progress being made in Canada. Look forward to sharing more when things materialize,,
Mark,
I’ve kept my local MLA well briefed on the raw milk situation in Ontario. We went to school together so I know him quite well. If all goes well he could very well be the next Premier of the Province of Ontario… Hopefully he and the Conservative party he represents will take my advice to heart and act on it. Of course this is wishful thinking on my part; there’s no guarantees in politics…
D. Smith,
You said you were not going to argue over this, first off.
Your Words: it isn’t because some scientist created the first seed. So where did it come from? Boy oh Boy!! Let me be clear, I do not think that way, I can accept things as they are, there are questions that no one can answer, even you. I do not concern myself with questions that humans do not have the ability to answer, hence the reference to the chicken and the egg, same question Mr/MS Smith, what came first the seed or the plant, no one can answer either question!! I’m done explaining myself, if it is not a good enough explanation for you, then……
I was NOT rude to you, so please do likewise, Thank You!!
Thank you to all the people that have called and got passed this Garbage posted by some idiots that know nothing about RAW MILK. We used to milk over 120 cows a day in a modern Parlour free stall set up for over 40 years in Kawartha Lake,On. We sold our farms back in 2010 and sold the cows and Quota, after we sold we got our raw milk from neighbours and friends in the area. Most dairy farmers will barter Raw Milk instead of taking money, our son became ill with ALS and raw milk was the only thing that kept him feeling better. No Doctors or health unit Idiots have no knowledge of the benefits of raw milk, Judges have no idea what shit they are being told by these same idiots. The role of the judge is to shut down and protect the Government Controlled System, The role now is to go UNDER GROUND and set up a RAW MILK SUPPLY from Producer to END USER. Please Call 705-328-7197 I operate as the middle person to protect the suppliers from SPYS, you never get to meet the farmers or go to the farms. We have over 50 suppliers in the outer GTA area and more wanting to start. If you need a steady supply of Raw milk to make cheese, butter, and drink, I CAN HELP call I am the only person that can pick up & deliver your milk safe, we have enclosed refrigerated Trailers to keep your RAW MILK COLD! I go to the GTA weekly and have many drop off sites! Tell your friends and family members! Thank you, Treasure Island Raw Milk Services
Mr. Denby = You have no idea about the nature of the Adversary. Until you study “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion”, you are a fool rushing-in where angels fear to tread. At first blush, you’ll say “what the hell does this have to do with raw milk?” Allow me to give you some free advice, from my 2-decades’ experience in this raw milk thing. A century ago, whoever it was composed The Protocols, explained how a modern form of feudalism would be imposed on the West. Even if they are a “forgery”, much of what is set out in the Protocols, has come to pass. Whoever “they” are, they are extremely powerful. Not all-powerful, but not to be trifled-with.
In their Progressive Economic Plan – published in the 1920s – the Fabian society urged govt. regulation of the national economy via production quotas of critical resources. One of those being – milk. Thus, introducing communism by stealth. As Henry Makow explains ; so-called “communism” is only state capitalism. Canada suffers under the racketeers. They learned their lesson after some bad publicity in that awkward patch of after 1917. Now, they are masterful at the deft touch and benign face disguising ultimate evil. My point being : sure = you’re full of defiance now, naive as you are … don’t come crying to us about a year from now … scrounging for $ for a lawyer to extricate thyself from a self-imposed predicament, when they put the hammer down on you
Bill, it is encourating to hear that raw milk is flowing so well in Ontario.
Out of curiosity, what proportion of the 50 suppliers in your network also hold quota?
And, what is your estimate of the overall percentage of quota-holding farmers in Ontario who are selling raw milk? In the “Raw Milk Underground” article by Dean Tea (http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/entering-raw-milk-underground), the farmer who was interviewed estimated “as many as 80%”. Would you agree?
Typo – fourth word was meant to be “encouraging”.
Are you real, I have paid out of my own pocket over 300,000.00 to fight the Dairy Farmers of Ontario, you should educate yourself before you shoot your mouth off! Our family has been in the dairy industry for over 125 years before I sold everything in 2010. I hold the record for taking them to court 7 times in a row and won 5 out of seven. I SOLD RAW MILK for longer than anyone in Ontario & only my customers knew, The Dairy Farmers and the health units had no idea that I supplied over 250 families in the GTA and around our farm. We milked 125 cows daily and only had quota to cover 80 cows and yet we changed our bulk tank 5 times in 10 years because our demand for fresh raw milk grew so fast, all by word of mouth! You my friend have likely never milked a cow or even been on a farm ,but you are an expert on everything. Some day I would like to meet you face to face ,just to see what a true ASSHOLE looks like! Ask Michael about who I am and what I have done fighting the DFO, with my own money! I would never go beg for money like others have done over the years just to fight raw milk sales! At the end of farming in 2010 our raw milk sales were over 1350 L per day x $4.00 = $ 5400.00 gross from raw milk sales plus 2400L sold to the DFO @ @82.00 per hl = $1968.00 gross from DFO We made a lot of money milking cows over the years and I know how to sell underground and NOT GET CAUGHT! I owned and operated a export /import business for dairy products from the USA to Canada for a number of years, there is nothing that I can clear at the border, even bottled Raw milk can enter Canada duty free unlimited in volumes! I have quite a history as a diary farmer/ importer / exporter, ask the DFO how glad they were to see me sell! Now I am in the import business of off road vehicles from ASIA Countries, bigger money and NO BULLSHIT from Governments! WE import over 60, 40 ft containers a year worth in the millions! Thank you for your advice Gordon but I think you know were to shove it! regards Bill
alright Mister Bill : let’s have citations for those cases of which you boast. Location of the Court REgistry ; file numbers ; dates ; names and contact info. for the parties ; names of the judges. And if you really! want to impress us! = references in CanLii … you know, simple facts so I can verify what you say. And while you’re at it = let’s have the record of adverse incidents among your customers, along with the results from tests of those great big bulk tanks, eh? Not too much to ask, as we get down to the ‘short strokes’.
from what you’ve posted on this forum so far … one foot in the quota racket scheme, and the other bootlegging the stuff off the premises … you come off as an opportunist, using your privileged status as one of the quota holders, to cheat … playing both sides of the fence. In which scenario the 300 grand you forked-over to the legal system racketeers, was just a business expense. Gee, I’ve been at this raw milk thing for 20 years, yet I never came across your name before. Point being; you were conspicuous by your absence when the chips were down. Inquiring minds want to know how much of that 300 Gs went towards Michael Schmidt’s legal expenses?
Back when I was a child, the labour movement advertised “what we have for ourselves, we wish for others”. That noble sentiment encapsulates my motivation in the raw milk thing. Sure, back in 1995 I was getting all the raw milk I wanted for myself. But I wanted its producers to be normalized so as to make a decent living …not have to creep around Underground. Not a peep out of you back then … smug that the Dairy Farmers guild outlawed your competition… us who produce milk from our own cows, to feed ourselves. Correct me if I’ve jumped to conclusions unwarranted … as you did, so quick out of the gate in your sublime ignorance.
Your interest and mine are utterly antithetical. Most people on this forum are oriented to whole fresh pure raw milk as superior nutrition. And my own motive arises from my religious conviction : ie. it ought to be available so white children can have the perfect teeth and strong bones to which our Covenant with our God entitles us.
From my – admittedly limited – experience around our cowshare ( at our peak we had only 500 households taking milk from 25 cows) I know that it is well-nigh impossible to put out REAL MILK of the highest quality, from a premise operating under the supply system. We were oriented to quality … you were oriented to quantity ; see the difference?
I guess you thought you had it made … with the bucks rolling in, and your quota as the cover story. But your erstwhile pals … fellow serfs in the Soviet quota scheme … are going to ‘throw you under the bus’. Go right ahead and blow your own horn about what a badass you are … but you’re no friend of the Campaign for REAL MILK.
He appears to be the real deal Gord…
Court strikes down tribunal decision
http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/court-strikes-down-tribunal-decision-2392
Bill Denby| Freedom Party
https://www.mykawartha.com/news-story/3696436-bill-denby-freedom-party/
The top 6 Bill Denby moments of 2014
https://www.mykawartha.com/news-story/4890070-the-top-6-bill-denby-moments-of-2014-at-this-time-/
from those links to news reports, Mister Denby does indeed appear to be a real [ expletive deleted / what he said about moi ] antagonizing his neighbours … but so far, no citations of the cases in which he claims he prevailed over the Dairy Farmers. The one instance = the tribunal decision ; so what? Administrative law is a bad joke. They do whatever they feel like, citing Alice in Wonderland for precedent.
If Bill Denby has done anything in the legal arena on the raw milk front, that I’m interested in. Otherwise he’s just another aging rebel – glorying in attention for its own sake – who has yet to find his true a cause.
I’m inclined to harken to the Biblical admonition “answer a fool not in his folly” but I guess I’m going to have to, later.
for the nonce : I never claimed to be an expert on every thing, but I have been around the block a few times, on the home turf of the Cult of the Black Robe. I’m sitting here right now in the law library in Victoria, with a list of the 30 cases I was involved in, back to 1992. Only a couple of which have to do with REAL MILK. ,
Pride goeth before a fall … and you’re in for a VERY rude awakening, Mister Bill. more will be my glee, oh, ’bout a year from now, when I come back there and sit in the gallery while the Dairy cartel racketeers nail your hide to the wall. A word to the wise is sufficient, but the backs of fools are made for stripes. If you’ve never seen the inside of a gaol cell, let me advise you … for free … it’s a sobering experience. Mark my words = you’re on your way
Gordon ,what the HELL have you ever done to make raw milk legal. You have never owned a farm or even milked a cow! You hide behind everyone and shoot you mouth off! You are a religious Retard that thinks God will save us all! Get a life, you even have a hard time understanding the facts. The Government WILL NEVER LEGALIZE RAW MILK FOR SALE TO THE PUBLIC, even in some US States they will not allow the sale of raw milk! You sir will never get raw milk legalized, you have done nothing but puke out your GARBAGE!! Bill
thank you Bill Denby, for personifying my old man’s adage “there’s nothing so useless it cannot at least be used as a bad example” … a blowhard who comes in late to this discussion with no understanding of what’s gone on here for the last 7 years. The kindest thing I can say to you, is = educate thyself.
Start with the case of Fraser Health Authority versus Alice Jongerden dba Home on the Range 2010 / 2013 S-124618 New Westminster Registry BC Supreme Court. Where Michael Schmidt and I were put on trial for being the directing mind of the most successful raw milk dairy in Canada … for 6 years,’til the quota farmer across the street from our farm – one of your ilk! – vented his covetousness. Go to my website where you can view the 2 Letters of Comfort which I’d received from the Minister of Agriculture and the Director of Food Safety, which gave us confidence that cowsharing was perfectly legal.
Thousands of people are drinking REAL MILK in BC – and in the rest of Canada – partly because of my efforts over 2 decades. By no means do I say ( UN-like vouz !) ‘it’s all about me’. One of the most important things that happened out here, was : me bringing Mark McAffee to speak to us in 2007. Have you listened to his 2-hour presentation at UVic in 2014? The man is brilliant, as long as he sticks to his calling
In British Columbia, the present Minister of Agriculture, Lana Popham, has visited several of our cowshares. My own MLA Adam Olsen told me he’s on board with decriminalizing raw milk. Arranged by me, a major article on raw milk will be published in Victoria’s newspaer, including an interview with Sally Fallon and a government spokesman. And what have you done along those lines, Mister Denby? my guess is that you don’t even know who Sally Fallon is … merely one of THE prime movers in the Campaign for REAL MILK. And, not just co-incidentally, operating a cowshare in Virginia doing co-pulsation milking. Of course .. as you are of the animal welfare aspect of this movement … I bet you cannot even spell “co-pulsation’. Let’s hear you spell, “enzyme” Billy ? Until you look it up, you’re half a century behind what’s happening with REAL MILK.
what you don’t comprehend, is : things have changed drastically since your pals in the quota racket let you get away with enriching yourself by cheating. The recent decision in Ontario to do with the Co-op which was a’dairying on Glencolton Farm gives the government the hammer they lusted-for. Drawing a target on yourself, as you did with the post the other day … assures they’ll come calling WITH 20 cops and assorted functionaries.
before demonstrating your ignorance on this topic, again …simply answer my questions. I provided you the reference for the main case in BC. Onus is on you to do the same ; put up or shut up
WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON GORDON ,THE PROBLEM WITH MICHAELS RAW MILK TRIALS OF CHANGING HIS PROGRAM EVERY TIME THEY CAUGHT HIM AND HOW PUBLIC ,IN THERE FACE APPROACH HAS COST HIM AND ALL HIS CUSTOMERS DEARLY. I ON THE OTHER HAND WILL WELCOME THE HEALTH UNITAND MY FRIEND THE OPP, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT I HAVE BEEN WRITING. THEY KNOW ME WELL BUT LIKE YOU IDIOTS I DO NOT GO TO THE MEDIA FOR HELP AND PRAISE! THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE THANKS TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND MICHAEL THAT RUN A SHOW AND TELL PROGRAM THINKING THE GOVERNMENT WILL LET YOU DO ANYTHING TO UNDERMINE THE DAIRY FARMERS OF ONTARIO. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN CHALLANGED IN COURT BY YOU DUMMIES! I WILL BE MOVING RAW MILK FOR YEARS BETWEEN THE PRODUCERS AND THE CUSTOMERS BECAUSE NO BODY MEETS EACH OTHER AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS EVERYBODY!LIKE I SAID A NUMBER OF TIMES ,YOU PEOPLE WILL NEVER GET A LEGAL PROGRAM TO SELL OR CONSUME RAW MILK IN CANADA unless you milk the cows and live on the farm!! WE ALREADY HAVE THE MARKET AND GORDON YOU HAVE DRANK YOU LAST GLASS OF Raw milk from Michael farm! Regards Bill
I don’t want to get into this middle of this disagreement between Mr. Watson and Mr. Denby, but I feel that it’s fair to note that the approach being taken in B.C. since 2014, to sit down and talk with government, appears to be making slow progress.
See http://bcherdshare.org/bc-status-report-march-2016/ and http://bcherdshare.org/newsletter-archive/BCHA-news-3.pdf .
Legalization may yet be possible in Canada. But it just may not happen via the court system.
O GORDON ONE LAST COMMENT, YOU CAN BRING ALL THE PEOPLE YOU WANT FROM THE USA OR FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD ,THIS IS CANADA,THESE PEOPLE MEAN NOTHING TO OUR GOVERNMENTS. THEY LAUGHAT HOW YOU SUCK PEOPLE IN TO PAY MONEY FOR SOMETHING THEY CONTROL. I CAN TELL YOU THAT MICHAEL PUT A TARGET ON HIS HEAD EVERY TIME HE USED THE MEDIA AGAINST THE DFO, HEALTH UNITS AND THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT. THEY WERE JUST WAITING FOR HIM TO SCREW UP AND HE DID AND NOW HE HAS PAID THE PRICE! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR UNDER GROUND PROGRAM AND YOUR REAL MILK DREAM, WE ARE STILL OPEN FOR BUSINESS! REGARDS, BILL
get off the computer, Mister Denby, and get busy scuffling-around in the attic to find the citations for the 5 out of 7 tribunals you claim you won. “til you do, your all talk AND THE QUIT WITH THE CAPITALIZED SHOUTING, IT”S A BIT MUCH TOO… A SYMPTOM OF YOUR BOMBASTIC PERSONALITY?
A friend of mine gave me a Word from the Lord, recently. She said “good always triumphs over evil, and if it doesn’t look like that right now, it’s because this thing isn’t over yet”
Coming in so late to this discussion, you seem completely UN-aware of the decades-long work done by the Campaign for REAL MILK, taking it from being outright banned, to being available one way or the other, in 40 states in the US. Best example, Washington State. When I came along in 1995, there was one licenced producer = Mother Teresa at Our Lady of the Rock nunnery on Vashon Island. Today, 40 raw milk dairies servr 4 million Washingtonians. All, perfectly legally
Michael Schmidt is one of the noblest of them all. A true pioneer.
you, on the other hand, chose to throw-in your lot with the serfs in the Soviet-style central command economy / dairy supply quota racket. Using the licence issued by your Guild, as the coverstory, . Bill? Didn’t your silver-hair’d Dadeo tell you that ‘cheaters never prosper’ ? If not, your boasts are putting you on greased skids into the calaboose.
Very interesting Bill Denby!!
Bill Denby,
Gordon makes it sound as if he is ready to “turn loose” the authorities on you.
GORDON is a Lonnie Tune ,jealous that he will never get raw milk again, that is the kind of ASSHOLE he is, BRING IT ON GORDON!! When or if they ever show up at my door, I will serve them a nice cool glass of RAW MILK! Something you will never do because your all mouth and NO ACTION!! Your just an OLD Grippy Man that need to crawl back into your hole and disappear!! So long OLD MAN!! regards Bill, TREASURE ISLAND RAW MILK SERVICES, located @ 3900, HWY 35,N, Cameron, Kawartha Lakes, On. K0M 1G0 office 705-359-1602 or cell 705-328-7197
it’s of utmost importance that readers of this forum understand what BUFFOON BILL DENBY is on about, boasting that he’s reviving his business, brokering raw milk from producer to customer. The way he can do that, is = get raw milk from farms which hold dairy quota issued by Canada’s Stalin-ist milk cartel, then drop-ship it to the customer’s doorstep. But Mister Denby is sadly out of touch with what’s gone on, in the years since he sold his own quota. He does not realize that one of the major drivers of demand for REAL MILK, is : concern for humane treatment of the cows.
Operating UNDERGROUND, bootlegging raw milk from CAFO dairies,he never had to answer when customers got sick. As they in-evitably would have, drinking milk taken from bulk tanks. IGNORAMUS DENBY personifies why the the health authorities are so reluctant to normalize availability of raw milk for human consumption. BOMBASTIC BILL and his band of smirking cheaters, are part of the problem, rather than part of the solution we in the Campaign for REAL MILK, seek.
he sneers at those of us pursuing recognition by RAWMI in order to guarantee the best possible milk, because he knows his suppliers cannot meet those high standards. Little does he care, though … as ZZ Top sings “my wallet’s fat”.
BEWARE the so-called bunch of bootleggers doing business as TREASURE ISLAND. Milk obtained via his UNDERGROUND distribution network is a menace to personal and public health. I’m going to keep saying it : BILL WITH THE SHOUTING TYPEFACE is no friend of the Campaign for REAL MILK. And now that you mention it, Mr Dutcher, with the injunction in place from the Schmidt decision, I am halfway inclined to call down ‘the heat’ on DENBY, but I won’t. I am focussed on preparing a Judicial Review of the regulation which is our problem here in BC. Prosecutors say “we don’t have to go looking for bad guys ; criminals select themselves”
BILLY-BOY … unfortunately, when I tried to access the website you advertise, it won’t let me in? Before you say “Sayonara” here on David Gumpert’s forum, you owe this audience precise information about the “5 wins outta 7″ tribunals you purport to have gone through. Of course, those weren’t real trials, were they? … they were little Soviet-style administrative tribunals. Lots of smirking and nudging going on, I bet, among your pals in the milk racket as they agreed one with another, NOT to talk about you cheating.
” …all mouth and NO ACTION”, you say? …. your non-sense ignores my 20-year track record in this raw milk thing, having started 4 cowshares serving hundreds of families. I guess you’re bailing-out of this forum because you’ve dug thyself into a real hole…. making big noise about beating the Dairy Farmers of Ontario, yet Failing to produce citations re- such cases makes YOU the one who’s “… all mouth and NO ACTION”.
IN FACT, I get all the REAL MILK I want from various cowshares here on the Island, which operate under auspices of RAWMI. Meanwhile, you haven’t even heard of that outfit.And speaking of “islands” … it’s been half a century since I read “Treasure Island” by RL Stevenson … but I do recall it was about a pirate. How appropriate pour vouz!!
Can we all please stop the name calling and shouting down regardless of the issue? I don’t come here for stress, have enough of that in real life.
Gordon ,you are so full of yourself, You have no cows of your own ,never had, never farmed, just a follower thinking your the MAN! Thank god your not in Ontario, are you that STUPID Gordon or just Mentally Challanged. You should come to Ontario and see how well you can start Real Milk programs. I guess you were the reason for Michael failure, I can understand why, if Michael listened or took any advice from you he was already headed to be shut down! Gordon you have a head so swelled with your own bullshit that you can not tell the difference between fact or fiction get over yourself you have done little to advance Raw Milk in Canada! I will still be operating my businesses long after your gone, SO PLEASE LEAVE! Regards Bill
Days later now, yet we haven’t seen any evidence of the big bold claims made by BILLY THE BOOTLEGGER, about his triumphs over the Dairy Farmers of Ontario. This is how urban myths start.
apparently he has not only very poor reading comprehension, but – coupled with very thin skin – I predict disaster in the not-too-distant future, the wreck of the bad ship TREASURE ISLAND as she’s fetched-up on the hard, unforgiving rock of the criminal Justice System. I’ll bet a silver dollar to a raised doughnut, that the Health Authorities for his county are salivating at the prospect of giving MISTER DENBY a short sharp course in how it goes in Her Majesty’s Courts, versus the charades he CLAIMS!, to have gone through before supply racket tribunals
running me off this website? That’s rich. I’m here at David Gumpert’s pleasure going on 6 years; so my response is what I used to say to idiots like you, trying to run me off the public sidewalk, back in the anti-abortion thing = better people than you have said worse things about me, and I’m still here. Still educating simpletons like you, who don’t understand the difference between the dangerous stuff in CAFO bulk tanks, versus REAL MILK produced to RAWMI standards.
Our cowshares have over 200 tests from the same lab which does provincial water supply tests … proving our milk is CLEANER than the standard for pasteur-ized homo milk on retail shelves. Compared to which your proposal to sell milk from 50 different, anonymous suppliers comes off as something from the dark ages.
From the non-sense you’ve posted since you bellyflopped into this forum, I doubt if you even know what “somatic cell count” means. But = “it’s all good”. I now have a bit of sympathy for the concern shown by Health Authorities. Previous to your strutting on-stage here, I had no idea that such idiots existed … distributing VERY questionable raw milk from CAFOs, not caring a whit about people getting sick. See the study from Cornell University, proving that 25% of bulk tanks on commercial farms have dangerous levels of pathogens. But I guess you’ve never read that one, eh? IGNORAMUS BILL ? NO, you have a financial interest in NOT thinking about the disease you’re delivering along with the milk
As long as you get your commission, sickness is someone else’s problem.
Gordon are you really that STUPID, all our suppliers are licenced dairy farmers you idiot. There milk is tested and graded every pick up, I receive all the results from the farms that are on the program. What part Gordon do you not understand, This program has been running for over 20 years under ground and will be in place long after your gone. I have a group of milk producers that produce the highest quality raw milk any where in Canada, There farms are spotless, there cows produce over 35L of milk daily far past what Michaels cows could ever think of. Most of the farms win milk quality awards every year and milk between 30 & 50 cows. There herd is enrolled in herd health programs as well are on TMR. I have seen some of the shit holes that sell raw milk outside of the DFO, they need to be shut down before they ever started. That is the kind of Real milk your program produces, our farms are all inspected and produce Grade A milk 12 months of the year, They are all family owned farms that care about the milk the produce and sell through me to my customers, Yes I make a lot of money being the middle man but my producers do and my customers are very pleased with the quality and price they pay! You will never see any of them in the media like all you idiots trying to convince the Government there wrong! Like I said we will be operating under ground while you people are all shut down!! Regards Bill, ps ,we are a lot smarter than you Gordon ,we drink raw milk every day!
to – all those concerned with the Campaign for REAL MILK. What you’re seeing writ large on this blog, is = why the RAWMI program is necessary for us to have the very best quality whole, pure un-adulterated UN-cooked milk made available, legally.
Pride goeth before a fall” : consumate pride moved Mr Denby to spill his guts, laying out how the bootlegging operation works. No wonder the Health Authorities are concerned! Sure, Michael Schmidt became the lightening rod, but this guy = THE BIG NOISE FROM KAWARTHA = is what really worries them. His latest post confirms that he and his conspirators prefer to remain “unclear on the concept” …as far as they’re concerned, ‘milk is milk is milk’… utterly ignoring the science proving CAFOs cannot produce raw milk fit for human consumption, unless it’s cooked. Worse, Mister Bill is an IGNORAMUS who will not listen. Locked-in to the quantity over quality mentality, they’re going down the same road as the Soviet-style dairy industry. The good news is ; the Berlin Wall DID come down. And the end is nigh for the quota racket
oh, and before you depart, Billy, how ’bout citations for all those cases you claim to have won? Inquiring minds want to know
Do you not understand anything, there is more raw milk sold in Ontario every day to the public than you will ever know GORDON. I am only one that helps match producers to customers, there are more people providing this kind of service, you IDIOT! Did you not read my last post on the high standards my producers produce raw milk for there customers. I would like to see farms that could meet these high standards under your Real milk program, they do not excist, only in your small brain! Only farms under the Government program can produce this high quality raw milk. We have never had anyone or child become ill because of our raw milk! Can you say the same under your dream on raw milk or do you just pray to god so it will not happen! Like I said Gordon ,we have 100rds of people on our program and more joining! Long live RAW MILK IN ONTARIO, produced by DFO farms! You do not have a hope in hell in BC to make raw milk legal! regards Bill ps GORDON STAY UNDER GROUND AND AWAY FROM GOVERNMENT IF YOU WANT A RAW MILK PROGRAM!!
Bill, so nice to see someone put Gordon in his place. I may not be pro raw milk after my child almost died from drinking contaminated raw milk, but I sure do like you!
Bill, thank you for putting the recent legal events in Ontario into perspective. What you describe tells us that Mr. Schmidt’s case is not the end of raw milk in Ontario, and in fact, may not even have affected the market much at all.
Just to put it out there: This type of injunction is nothing new. It is similar to “Fraser Health Authority v. Jongerden, 2010 BCSC 355” (see http://canlii.ca/t/28qpl). The Honourable Madam Justice Gropper’s ruling prohibits anyone who knows about the injunction from “packaging and distributing” raw milk. Gordon is the resident expert here on this case.
And Gropper’s ruling didn’t stop the milk from flowing in B.C. Over 100 farms are distributing it in B.C., by one estimate. They just all quietly go about their business.
What this ruling did do though, once Gordon Watson and Michael Schmidt were convicted by Justice Wong in 2013 for violating the injunction, is that it sparked the formation of the British Columbia Herdshare Association in 2014, to strengthen-and-support the herdshare agricultural sector and lobby to get the offensive law taken off the books.
Thank you Mary, someone needs to shut that idiot up, he blows his own horn just to be heard! I think most people that want raw milk want it to come from farms that are clean, safe and have the milk tested. This is the foundation of our program in Ontario, but we are start enough to operate under ground. Who needs all the media and Government knowing what you are doing. Gordon thinks because I am posting about our raw milk service in Ontario it will bring the house down! WRONG Gordon, No one knows who are our DFO producers and they have no idea who are our customers. That is why we have been successful for over 20 years building our business and protecting everyone! Mary I am sorry you had a bad experience with raw milk but I believe raw milk is safer and healthier than store milk! I have never seen anyone become sick from drinking raw milk if it is handled properly. We make sure our customers understand the safe way to store and use raw milk! As far as Gordon ,he is just an old fart that wants to be heard and take some glory for legalizing raw milk if it ever happened! People need to stand up to people that think they know everything but know nothing! Gordon is one of them types of idiots! Thanks again for your comment! regards Bill
To All,
I feel it really says something about both of our countries societies when a person has to run around like they are doing drug deals to purchase food that they desire, what a world.
Bill Denby,
I also tire of Gordon’s white supremacy stance and his holier than thou attitude. I’m quite sure he puts his pants on one leg at a time like every one else, that is, unless he wears a kilt.
Dear Milk & Cow Lovers,
I wrote to Sandra Evans to find out where is the closest outlet for me for raw milk where I live, in Erin , Ontario. She guided me to this site. Does anyone have any suggestions, please ? Ideally I prefer ahimsa milk from cows that are treated humanely and are not killed after they no longer produce milk. If it is too difficult to find such humane farms, I am still greatful to find raw milk as close to home as possible. Thanks very much !
Gaura
well, Gaura, I suggest you peruse the posts above yours, til you find the address of Bill Denby and his website Treasure Island. Supposedly = he will deliver raw milk to your door in the Greater Trawna Area for $4 per liter. I urge you to follow through and see if Bill’s operation is all he advertises. the more I find out about him, the sketch-ier his reputation gets.
Worst of all, for your religious purpose : He has a great big blindspot about animal welfare. My guess, is : if you were to demand to go to the farms from which – he claims! – he gets milk, you’ll be appalled at what goes on on a Confined Animal Factory Farm. Having grown up with them, such conditions are normal to him and his quota-holding cartel-ists. To him and his quota-holding cartel-ists, ‘more is better’ and animal welfare comes ‘way down the list of priorities, as PROVEN by the convictions of dairy farm staff in Chilliwack BC, last year on charges of animal cruelty.
Bootlegger Billy Denby et al. studiously ignore our ethical concerns because his conscience was long ago cauterized by the power of the purse … his GREAT BIG BANK BALANCE of which he boasts. But those of us in the Campaign for REAL MILK know from face-to-face meetings with informed consumers, that “how it is is what it is” … meaning ; the conditions under which the cows are kept, has a great deal to do with the quality of the milk. And I don’t mean just the creamline
please do do a bit of an investigation, then get back to us on this forum : inquiring minds want to know!!
The bag of wind returns, Gordon we were hoping you left and crawled back into your hole. I have heard a lot about you and it is not the picture you project. You and Michael got charged for trying to sell raw milk as body conditioner! That is like calling the kettle black when you know it is white! How do you even have the nerve to post on here your garbage! Trying to sell raw milk under cover in BC and get caught and charged, almost sunk the raw milk movement in BC! You have NO SUPPORT in BC, you my friend are a joke, I am very pleased that you & Michaels actions got stopped real fast before you damaged the movement! Like I have posted before, you Sir are a IDIOT ,blowing your own horn, just to be heard!! Go home old man! Bill
suffice to say that Botheration Bill Denby is NOT part of “the Movement” attended by thousands of people who view this blog. That popular movement, being = the Campaign for REAL MILK. Your posts prove that you are unclear on the concept – to put it mildly… failing to grasp the basics of what informed consumers are after. We reject milk from farms which we call Confined Animal Factory Farms/ CAFOs, Which – apparent from your own words – is what you’re peddling back there. One of the distinguishing features of an “ignoramus” is, he’s Un-teachable = You have an enormous blind spot as to what is the engine of the demand for raw milk … all you know is that you got away with bootlegging the stuff coming out of the bulk tanks on CAFOs, to people who don’t know any better, to the immediate benefit of your bank account. I am sustained by the 100-year view. Preaching the law of the God of Israel so as to improve the health of our next generation of white people not to mention the land our God has given us as his stewards.
you certainly do NOT comprehend the much larger picture… ie. what holistic agricultural practices are. For instance : the Dairy Farmers of Canada are happy to pump their cows full of feeds including Genetically-engineered crops, particularly Roundup (c).
you’ve done exactly what the big corporate food processors did … watched from the sidelines as pioneers worked their hearts out to educate the nation about a concept known as “organic”. Those opportunistic mercenaries then mis-appropriated that word and its constellation of values, for sheer commercial gain. From 20 years of paying attention to this topic, I can tell you that a CAFO simply cannot produce artisanal quality REAL MILK. You’ve aligned yourself along with the products pouring in here from Red China, mislabelled “organic”. You can always trust the commies = to be liars.
to answer your silly qvestion “how do I have the nerve …”, I draw on the experience of having helped thousands of people find out about the good stuff. Seldom does a week go by, that I don’t counsel someone about the health benefits of REAL MILK, derived from personal contacts. Just today I handed a man 2 quarts of the best goats’ milk in the world, because he needs it to self-medicate for colitis.
but enough about me : let’s talk about your shortcomings right here on this forum. As far as I can see, you’re all show and no go’, when it comes to the legal contest. Where are the citations for all the so-called “victories” you had? Of course those were only skirmished in a little sandbox with your own playmates … the bunch of Soviet apparatchiks who run your cartel. Of course they’re going to turn a blind eye to you cheating,as long as they’re doing the same … bootlegging out of the bulk tanks.
In fact, after Michael’s appeal got stymied here in BC, a dozen little cowshares and goatshares popped up to take the place of Home on the Range / Our Cows. We may have lost that particular battle, but we made the pages of Canada’s National Newspapers … raising the profile of the issue. More people are drinking REAL MILK than ever, because of our notoriety. Meanwhile you’re left skulking-around in your shadowy illegal enterprise.
See, you remind me of the namby-pamby types who called demselves “Christians” back when I was involved in the ( so-called ) Pro-life thing. They talked big, but when it came time to show up and be counted, they were very thin on the ground. So they never got to grow in the faith, by learning the lessons which cannot be learned any other way than engaging the Enemy. For instance ; when I had our Accuser George Rice on the witness stand, I put to him the question ” arising from your 33 year career as a health inspector in the Fraser Valley, do you have any evidence of anyone ever getting sick from raw milk?” Rice got all red in the face and answered “no” then fled the courtroom. Without doubt, people got sick from the milk you were peddling, but they had no recourse because your operation was illegal in the first instance.
for your information, BillyBoy, whole fresh pure raw milk certainly IS one of the finest skin conditioners.
(Editor’s note: The remainder of this comment has been removed because it contains personal threats. Similarly, a comment from Bill Denby was removed because it included name calling. To Watson and Denby: please refrain from threats and name calling ongoing.)
You can NEVER trust someone who threatens another person with the “authorities”. That is “low rent”
there is a time and place for everything, Mister Dutcher … I’m up to my 9th Special Prosecutor, here in BC, laying private Informations about serious wrongdoing, when the authorities fail to act. Handy for-instance : Back in 1995, when Denis Murray investigated my charges against a sitting Justice and also the Law Society of BC. Mister Murray – formerly the head of the Criminal Justice Branch in BC, being anything but “low rent”. He took me seriously. Starting with the charges I layed, Mr Murray prosecuted Judge David Ramsay and put him in Dorchester Penitentiary, where he died. By comparison with that scandal, noises made by Bothersome Billy Denby are sound and fury signifying not much. Yet his bootlegging of raw milk from CAFOs does pose a real threat to the public health. In his very first post, Mister Denby declared his-self the enemy of the Campaign for REAL MILK, so I’m treating him accordingly
Your just plain weird!! And most people despise finks, FYI!!
Canada-related: New Facebook group to help connect raw milk farmers and consumers in B.C.: https://www.facebook.com/groups/rawmilkbc
And here is a different approach to changing Canadian laws: The B.C. Herdshare Association’s lobbying campaign continues in British Columbia with another government meeting, this time with B.C.’s Minister of Agriculture, the Honourable Lana Popham: http://bcherdshare.org/meeting-with-agriculture-minister-lana-popham
another approach for resolving opposition to the normalization of raw milk for human consumption, being : technological. Below is the URL announcing plastic film on which is printed dots of a biosensor, particularly for E. Coli and salmonella. Now that their own priesthood – the cult of the White Robe – has wrapped science around the issue, I guess The State will grudgingly allow the Great Un-Washed, to feed ourselves / self-medicate, as we see fit
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321435.php
this is THE ‘game-changer’ as far as opposition to REAL MILK is concerned … more and better information >>>>
https://phys.org/news/2015-07-world-sensitive-infectious-disease-superbugs.html
Gordon: “this is THE ‘game-changer’ as far as opposition to REAL MILK is concerned … more and better information”
I’d say that it is maybe a second game-changer, because 2011 another game-changer happened: RAWMI was founded, developed its food safety system drawing on Dr. Berge’s expertise, and started offering training.
Food safety systems work. Example – after a HACCP-based program was introduced into the meat processing industry, e.coli outbreaks from that product dropped 42%. They’re being developed for all other food production and processing sectors, at least in Canada, including On-Farm Food Safety (OFFS) systems for producers.
RAWMI training works and it’s free. Farmers who have been trained can show before-and-after test results, before training and after training. Ask Edwin Shank how it helped him, for an example. Farms in the BCFM project are proving that raw milk can be produced pathogen-free, challenging the gov’t position that raw milk is a “health hazard” – http://bcherdshare.org/bc-fresh-milk/. More about RAWMI at http://www.rawmilkinstitute.org .
I believe that what will challenge the opposition are proof of safety in the form of the test results from RAWMI-trained farmers, showing that raw milk can be produced pathogen-free.
Well well well, so Trump wants to inflict American corporate dairy products on Canadians. AND undercut Canadian dairy farmersprices. So, should the Canadian govt just say fine, we’ll make up a list of our diary farms to shut down so you all can sell us corporate dairy products. OR, should they decide that, “Nothing says local like raw milk!” What an advertising slogan!!!
Trump doesn’t understand, or more likely chooses not to understand, the nature of the Canadian dairy system, that even Canadian dairy farmers who aren’t part of the cartel can’t sell their products within the established system.
The problem with the dairy system in both the US and Canada is that the overall consumption of milk and dairy products is decreasing and for this reason, among others, as the following article points out, “the number of dairy farms in Canada has fallen to fewer than 12,000 from 123,000 in 1970, according to the federal government”.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/milk-sales-continue-to-slide-as-diets-society-shift-away-from-dairy/article26117550/
The above article also states, “But this rise in productivity is often seen unfavourably by consumers, who prefer the traditional image of a small farm with a few dozen cows grazing by a barn”. Indeed, and are reluctant to pay what’s necessary in order to satisfy their preference “of a small farm with a few dozen cows grazing by a barn”!!!
The dairy industry in the US and more so the dairy cartel in Canada, have failed to adequately address this issue of decreasing consumption. In fact they have egged it on by encouraging economy of scale milk production practices and by refusing to diversify the availability dairy products. The Dairy industries in both countries, and again more so in Canada, have chosen rather to process the life out of milk, rendering it virtually unpalatable and nutritionally inferior.