Lots of people here believe that the so-called “alphabet agencies” operate semi-autonomously, especially when it comes to those having to do with food–the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). In this view, their inspectors, researchers, and lawyers decide on their own what policies to pursue, which farmers to go after, what research to put out, regardless of what the president and members of Congress might think.
While that may have once been the case, that’s clearly no longer going on. At the USDA, research implicating climate change in possible problems with food production is being censored or, worse still, blocked from public dissemination. The orders are coming from on high.
An update this week from Columbia Journalism Review lays out some shocking examples of efforts to block serious research from seeing the light of day. The update, by Jon Alsop of CJR, focuses on an example of how a USDA climate scientist quit his post after the USDA blocked release of a major research study he carried out:
“On Friday, Lewis Ziska, a climate scientist who specializes in plant physiology, left his job at the US Department of Agriculture after more than 20 years. On Monday, Helena Bottemiller Evich, a food and agriculture reporter at Politico, explained why. Ziska had worked on a groundbreaking study that found rising atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide are causing rice to lose nutrients—a potential disaster for the 600 million people worldwide who rely on rice as a staple. Science Advances, the journal that published the study, expected that it would attract widespread interest, and advised its authors to prepare resources for the media. The Department of Agriculture refused. Officials spiked a press release promoting Ziska’s work, and asked the University of Washington, a collaborator on the paper, not to promote it either. CNN requested an interview with Ziska. Agriculture’s press office said no. That was a first, Ziska said.
“Frustrated, Ziska decided to quit. Speaking with Politico, he ‘painted a picture of a department in constant fear of the president and Secretary Sonny Perdue’s open skepticism about broadly accepted climate science, leading officials to go to extremes to obscure their work to avoid political blowback,’ Evich writes. ‘You get the sense,’ Ziska told her, ‘that things have changed, that this is not a place for you to be exploring things that don’t agree with someone’s political views.’ The situation ‘feels like something out of a bad sci-fi movie.’
“The Department of Agriculture denied Ziska’s account; it declined to promote his findings due to scientific concerns raised by career staffers, it said. But the department previously cleared the study, and it was externally peer reviewed, too.”
There’s more, and I encourage you to read the rest of Alsop’s report about how the Ziska case fits into a broader trend whereby the USDA has declined to publicize dozens of climate-related studies since 2017. “Across the administration, departments and agencies have strived to keep climate science out of the public eye since Donald Trump took office,” Alsop says.
The key issue here isn’t how one feels about Trump or the reality of climate change, it’s about suppression of legitimate research on climate. I’ve long been a big believer in free expression–it’s why I allow comments that are heavily critical of me or my ideas. Suppression of out-of-favor science inevitably leads to suppression of unpopular views of all types.
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For those who doubt the implications of the wild interest in fake meat like Beyond Meat and Impossible Burgers, then this report from an investment advisory service might convince you. It’s about the unraveling of Dean Foods, once the super monopoly processor that controlled America’s dairy system. It is still a powerful force in dairy, except that the dairy industry is in its death throes:
“Dean Foods – The milk producer lost an adjusted 36 cents per share for its latest quarter, wider than the 13 cents a share loss expected by Wall Street. Revenue was also short of estimates. Dean pointed to dairy commodity inflation, volume pressure, and an accelerated decline in the white milk category as negative factors during the quarter. The trend of veganism has helped Beyond Meat, but is killing Dean Foods, now a penny stock. Shares plummeted 36%.”
The suppression is not surprising or new. This sort of behavior has been going on for a long time. Read the book Altered Genes Twisted Truth by Steven Drucker to see another example of how this sort of thing has gone on over several administrations. https://www.amazon.com/Altered-Genes-Twisted-Truth-Systematically/dp/1511311487
Water fluoridation is another example: https://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Deception-Christopher-Bryson/dp/1583227008/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2T1DCR5LL3B2U&keywords=fluoride+deception&qid=1565270180&s=books&sprefix=flouride+dece%2Cstripbooks%2C148&sr=1-1
Another book of many case studies is entitled Confronting the Experts by Brian Martin
We need separation between science and politics.
Joseph, I haven’t read those books, though I’m familiar with the overall controversies. I think what separates this climate science situation from those on GMOs and fluoridation is the intense commitment and involvement from the very top of government toward a particular view on climate science. I’m not sure there was the same top-level commitment on GMOs and fluoridation. Having said that, I agree with you, we do need enforced separation between science and politics.
In the university system we have tenure which enabled me to work on controversial subject: Scholarly article published in Renewable Agriculture and Food Systems, Cambridge University Press:
Securing fresh food from fertile soil, challenges to the organic and raw milk movements
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/renewable-agriculture-and-food-systems/article/securing-fresh-food-from-fertile-soil-challenges-to-the-organic-and-raw-milk-movements/18325E375E068A538E07EF4E6F6ABA22
As with many other issues, thank you, David, for bringing this one to light. You’re absolutely right that the key issue here is censoring of legitimate research. We the people have the right to know the results of our tax-funded research.
id,
When it comes to the “alphabet agencies” in both the United States and Canada, there appears to be a status quo or mindset if you will that interferes with their ability to be objective and non-partisan. As well, government interference in those agencies is a fact that has been well documented over the course of many years as an ongoing occurrence.
If one wishes to acquire some insight into, for example, Health Canada’s sincerity, then read “Corrupt to the Core” by Dr. Shiv Chopra.
http://beyondfactoryfarming.org/get-informed/regulatory-matters/whistleblowers-health-canada-fired
As described in Google Books, “Dr. Shiv Chopra’s name has become synonymous with food safety. To protect the integrity of our food, he has waged many battles against a succession of Canadian Prime Ministers and federal ministries of health. He refused to approve various harmful drugs to be used in meat and milk production. He defied governmental gag orders, spoke publicly to the media, and testified at many Senate and parliamentary committees. Time and again the courts supported Dr. Chopra and ruled against government attempts to silence him. Also, time and again the government allowed dangerous drugs, agricultural practices, and carcinogenic pesticides to enter the food supply. Here is the full account of how government corruption endangers the food supply and how Dr. Chopra and his colleagues continue to speak the truth. Most importantly, this book contains a blueprint for the establishment of food safety and security throughout the world.”
Indeed, and much the same can be said with respect to scientist who point to scientific research that validly questions the government’s endorsed “anthropogenic climate change”… On this issue unfortunately a political agenda has replaced objective common sense science… What you describe as currently happening in the United States is just the opposite in Canada. Scientific research that points to other factors other then anthropogenic climate change is marginalized and censored by the Trudeau Liberal government and the mainstream media at large.
When it comes to climate change abrupt or otherwise, I am not a “Denier”…. My position is that there are other valid scientific explanations on the topic apart from what is currently accepted and preached at large. Heaven forbid if an individual were to challenge the current climate change dogma by suggesting that there are other key factors involved, apart from human activity! He or she risks being labeled a “denier”. As Carl Sagan correctly pointed out, “A central lesson of science is that to understand complex issues (or even simple ones), we must try to free our minds of dogma and to guarantee the freedom to publish, to contradict, and to experiment.”
Thanks for the article David. The same thing is happening at the EPA and probably every other agency we rely upon to protect the common good.
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/epa-throws-another-boon-pebble-mine
Made By Cow introduces the world’s first safe-to-drink raw milk
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/drink/made-by-cow-introduces-the-worlds-first-safetodrink-raw-milk/news-story/44958728088937ca351b80a34fb54c26
What are your thoughts on this milk? Sounds like a win win to me if it truly kills the bacteria.
Joseph and Mary,
Made by Cow uses high pressure pasteurization (HPP). HPP uses more pressure than would be found at the Mariana Trench, over 8 tons per square inch. In addition to caving in the cell walls of any bacteria or pathogen, it would kill off any enzymes and denature any other proteins. Flavor and texture are marred. In addition, there are now bacteria who’ve survived this pressure, and they have reproduced and passed on that mutation, and just like there are “super bugs” from the overuse of antibiotics, there are now strains of Salmonella that will not be killed by HPP.
The above information is from Raw_Dog_Food_Report.pdf produced by VitalAnimal.com. I imagine the HPP treatment used Made by Cow is comparable to the HPP treatment used by some raw dog food manufacturers. Sounds like one more FrankenFood. My dog would not eat a premium “raw dog food” that I later found out was subjected to HPP by the manufacturer.
Were living in a fool’s paradise if we think that the instant and massive kill off of bacteria is beneficial to our overall health…
I’ll stick with consuming the live bacteria in milk rather then the toxic micro corpses generated by heat pasteurization and/or high pressure processing. The gradual die off of bacteria generates a gradual and slow release of toxins that the host capitalizes on to stimulate immunity. The massive amounts of “bacterial source toxins” {exotoxins, endotoxins and neurotoxins) produced by the wholesale slaughter of bacteria either by the above processing or use of antibiotics and antibacterials can, when consumed and especially when injected via vaccination, “disrupt normal cellular metabolism and cause severe inflammation in the body”…
For the record, I am not suggesting this high pressure process is the way forward. Like I often do, I just try to bring new material to the attention of this blog for discussion.
This is one of those cases where I do NOT believe that turnabout is fair play.
I would love to see his study. But I want the STUDY – not anyone else’s interpretations of what he found – which has been the common practice for more than 40 years.
I am skeptical. I saw a producer of cold, high pressure treated fruit juices at the Health Show in Vancouver, circa 2010. He was keen to get into the milk biz. I’ve not seen such a product in any of the health food stores I browse … my guess is = it’s not commercially viable. Largely for the reasons in the critique, at the URL below
the reviewer says that cold high pressure does NOT remove as much bad bacteria as heat Pasteur-ization. And that it destroys / crushes essential elements
https://groundingroots.com/blogs/news/the-problem-with-pasteurization-why-raw-cold-pressed-juice-is-the-way-to-go
It’s not raw milk. It’s been crushed by up to 80,000 Pounds of Pressure per Square inch. It’s HPP processed.
It also requires intensive management to start the process with food safety programs that reduce bacteria counts to start. It does not work with dirty raw milk.
We have tried HPP on some Opdc raw milk. It tastes quite differently.
It also is not the same. Many of the raw milk elements are changed.
With an intensive food safety program it is rare that pathogens are detected. With the speed and accuracy of BAX PCR testing, 12 hours is all that is needed to clear samples.
The FDA does not recognize HPP as an alternative to standard milk pasteurization protocols.
Mark: What I cannot fathom is why you continue to spit out such bile and hatred. This is a nation made up of mostly good, honorable people who love their children, who love their country, who, while they may disagree with their neighbor’s political views, would assist them in a heartbeat. Most of these people are not filled with bile and hatred. Many of these people voted for Trump. The political class, who are mostly not nice, honorable people, and the media, who makes its living stirring up anything which will increase the bottom line, have created this anger and divisiveness in the public space. This anger and divisiveness does not exist in any of the private spaces I hang around in.
On a separate issue .
Trump and his team of ICE agents has just stepped over the line.
In the days after a gun man kills 22 in El Paso Texas in the name of protecting the USA from an “invasion of illegals”, Trumps ICE agents arrest 680 Mexicans while they are hard at work.
These arrests left children with out parents at home.
Family cruelty at its worst.
Trump is not capable of compassion and lacks normal or even nominal levels of humanity in his soul. I am so sick of this SOB. It is way past time for him to go.
Clearly he hates children and is racist.
I will save the curse words and other expletives.
His wholesale destruction of trade with our international trade partners is destroying farms.
He is the devil !! No other words for him. There is a place in hell for him and those that have supported him and were silent as he committed his atrocities.
if it’s a “separate Issue”, then please distinguish what matters about the Campaign for REAL MILK, from what’s poisoning your soul about the PRESIDENT of the Republic of the united States of America. in the last 3 years of dumping your assinine political opinion into this forum You’ve proved one thing only = you need professional help… as Ann Landers used to put it
I refuse to be silent and will not be silenced. When this is long past, the silence will be a measure of souls. Speak up and be measured. Speak up, vote and choose the future of our nation.
Mister McAffee … the last few posts reveal that you’ve “lost your moorings” … as the British put it. = forgotten that this forum is about the Campaign for REAL MILK. Freedom of Speech IS my issue … so have at it all you want. but .. you’re wasting your precious time with this audience… nearly all white folks, of which by far the majority are Christians. For whom Hideous Hilary and Her Handmaidens of Hell personify what’s wrong wit’ da country
Donald Trump succeeded in taking the office of the President because what he had to say, resonated with this demographic. These folks rejected your candidate, wholesale. Your antics will only convince them to do so again, … moreso.
from 1991 to 1998, I did speak up, warning and informing America that its next generation of white citizens were being liquidated in the abortion mills. Carved up in agony and body parts delivered to the “teaching hospitals’ as raw material for the Human Genome Project.
Where were you, and your chickenshit ilk, Mark McAffee … then? Oh, that’s right. You applauded Hilary and Bill Clinton … encouraging them to send Pro-lifers straight to gaol telling the Truth. Didn’t have a hell-of-a-lot to say about Free Speech when it really mattered
every single racial alien invader within the boundaries of the US of A, has room to stand here, and resources to sustain them, today, ONLY because a white child was executed by artificial abortion to make that space.
Dearest Watson,
……..I am without words. I pledged to not engage in “going low”.
Mr McAffee = you have no place to complain about “children in cages at the border” while you remain silent about children whose remains are in the garbage cans at the Planned Parenthood facility in your neighbourhood
David: The suppression of science for political, economic, or religious reasons is always deserving of our contempt. It has been going on since long before the term “science” was in common usage for the attempt to explain natural phenomena through the examination of evidence (Galileo being the most well-known example). But this is what governments do. In this regard, the Trump administration is no different the the Obama administration, the Bush administration, the Clinton administration, or any of the rest. What is just as appalling is the politicization of climate science. It seems I can no longer open my Harper’s without reading “climate emergency” somewhere in its pages. Nowhere in any of the IPCC reports is there any sense of emergency. I have taken the trouble to educate myself on this subject (an immensely complex one), and it is clear that nobody really knows the extent to which human activities have increased the pace of natural warming which has been occurring since the end of the Little Ice Age in the middle of the 19th Century. It may be a little, it may be a lot, or it may be vanishingly small. Nowhere in the actual science does the catastrophic narrative bandied about by the media find any support. It does show that the Medieval Warm Period (prior to the LIA) was warmer than the climate is today. What is the impact of this politicization? Since we know that sea level rise is a reality, though happening at roughly the same rate for more than a century, we can adapt in coastal areas. We are not. Instead, we are getting electric cars, which have the same ecological footprint as diesels (mainly because of the batteries), are beyond the budget of most people, and are completely impractical for long-distance driving. Only the $7,500 federal subsidy has kept them afloat. This will soon end. Nissan is facing a bleak future, and possible bankruptcy because of the phenomenal costs of developing a fleet of these things to satisfy Uncle Sam’s whims. Nobody wants the damn things. What of solar? The panels have a limited life (15-20 years). They are not recyclable. To the landfills with them. On the positive side, we can solve our energy problems, but governments are incapable of doing so. Neither of the political parties has any interest in anything other than getting re-elected, and industry has captured the regulatory agencies.
no, you do not “Know” that sea level rise is a reality.
In my taxicab, I speak to some of the most learned people in the world on this topic, as we go from the Institute of Ocean Sciences in Pat Bay North Saanich British Columbia. I challenge them “the nature of evidence is that it can be trusted. If it can’t be trusted, it isn’t evidence. Show me some evidence of sea level rise.” They can’t. Sure … they point me to studies of studies, and computer models … but they have no actual reference points in the physical world, from which a measurement can be drawn.
same with what is put out by NOAA. Read closely and they admit deep that there is no evidence that the level of the seas is rising.
confer with what one of the genuine experts has to say
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284890177_There_is_no_alarming_sea_level_rise_21st_century_science_technology
Gordon S. Watson: The evidence is overwhelming that, throughout the history of the Earth, sea levels have varied. The title of the paper you linked to is “There Is No Alarming Sea Level Rise in The 21st Century.” This is certainly correct, and the entire point of my comment about sea level rise. There most certainly are reference points from which sea level can be measured. It is a bit tricky because of factors such as land subsidence and local geography, so some measurements show a rise, some show a drop, and some show little variation over the historical period (Sydney Harbor in Australia is a very interesting example of this). You are correct to infer that computer models have been unreliable as forecasting tools for changes in climate, and these have led the narrative astray, sometimes into perfect nonsense (such as the “HockeyStick,” which is based upon a single set of data-the Bristlecone Pine-and contradicted by all other tree-ring data sets) but there is very good, almost unassailable, evidence that sea levels have been much higher and much lower than they are today. The Earth’s climate is so hopelessly complex that anyone making a forecast about future conditions is simply spinning a yarn. If you wish to learn about climate science, and the profound uncertainties about it, read Climate, Etc., a blog by Dr. Judith Curry, one of the nation’s top climate scientists.
if the evidence is “overwhelming”, then let’s have it.
below is the URL to an article by NOAA, ostensibly talking about ‘sea level rise over 200 years’. Yet when you actually read it, they admit they “reset” all the data as of 1993, when they started using data from satelites… then interpreted it RETROSPECTIVELY BACK TO 1900. That isn’t science : ordinary people call it “lying”.
People following this controversy know – and I underscore ‘KNOW’ – that the Global warming Alarmists similarly lied by using the in-famous “hockey stick graph’ which was predicated in data THEY’D MANIPULATED to get the result they wanted.
when pressed … in a Court of law, mind you … Professor Mann claimed – first of all that it was “proprietary information, so he didn’t have to produce it’. Lately his submission in his lawsuit against Prof. Tom Ball is, that = he “lost that data”. The very opposite of genuine scientific method.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-tech/reading-between-tides-200-years-measuring-global-sea-level
Gordon S Watson: There is no point in any further discussion of this issue. I cannot see that we have any disagreement, but you seem incapable of doing a close reading of what I have actually written. I use words carefully. I am very aware of how science has been corrupted by politics and the interests of industry. I have a great reverence for good science and those who practice it, many of whom have been attacked or marginalized by the global-warming-alarmist-industry, by the pharmaceutical industry, and, in the social sciences, especially in academia, by leftist ideology. It simply makes no sense, though, to question that sea levels have changed over millennial scales. Such an assertion is unscientific. 3 mm/year is the best estimate I have seen for average sea level rise over the past 100+ years, just under 12″ per century, easy enough to adapt to, nothing worth getting in a fizz over. The purpose of global-warming-alarmism is to further consolidate control over the human population. It is about control, and nothing else.
fair enough, Mr Ogden. Please give a close reading to the bafflegab put out by NOAA… then quit giving credence to the Big Lie that ‘sea level is rising’. All’s you have to do is : show us the evidence. Not that hard … if it exists.
David: I must add that using the term “denier” is like using the terms “conspiracy theory” or “anti-vaxxer.” It is a term of propaganda, not one of argument.
Gordon S Watson: You, and anyone else who values science, may find this of interest:
https://doi.org/10.1111/bor.12361
High resolution proglacial records of pre-Little Ice Age glacier advance, northeast Greenland. Behind a paywall, but Dr. Curry summarizes the main conclusions thus: “Greenland was warmer during Medieval times, cooled by 2 degrees C from the 1930’s to 1980’s, has undergone no ice accumulation trends in the last 1,800 years, and has had no apparent change in Arctic-chilled freshwater delivery to the Atlantic in recent decades.” Real science, and pretty completely contradictory to alarmist pronouncements.
like you say, Gary Ogden … let’s not go on about it on this forum.
Nils-Axel Morner – one of THE pre-eminent scientists on the topic of sea level, and not just incidentally a member of the IPCC committee – says everything that needs to be said, on this topic
sea level is NOT rising & change in the level of the sea is dictated by solar activity
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284890177_There_is_no_alarming_sea_level_rise_21st_century_science_technology
part of the root problem in America’s dairy industry is, use of Milk Protein Concentrate : basically = just glorified powdered milk that can be folded in to food products instead of whole milk… imported in to the US of A by the boatload, cheaper than US farmers can produce. How do you like global-ization, so far?
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Ever consider using a whey protein food supplement?
Ever wonder what it is?
Well here’s what it is and the interesting history behind this type of popular protein food supplement.
Milk contains two major types of protein:
Casein and Whey.
Whey is a by-product of making cheese from milk.
For every 100 pounds of milk the cheese maker receives, about 10 percent goes into the cheese; the other 90 percent is water containing whey protein.
You can't see it but, until 40 years ago, you could smell it during hot summer days in the pond located behind most cheese factories.
Initially, it was thought to be worthless because the valuable protein solids could not be separated from the whey.
That is until the owner of a cheese factory in Pollack, South Dakota, by the name of Frank Thomas decided to study the problem.
In 1964, Thomas was paying $3.25 per hundred for milk and throwing, or giving 90 percent of it, away.
He learned of a town near the Missouri river that was using some new technology to remove minerals from their drinking water.
He thought maybe he could use that same technology to extract invisible solids out of whey and sell them at a profit?
He set up a laboratory and began his research on how to separate the protein into a concentrate using spiral wound membranes.
But he had his naysayers…
Many dairy processing specialists and officials of state universities and USDA said it was impossible, economically, to separate the milk proteins from the whey.
But, in 1972, Thomas opened the FIRST ever ultrafiltration/reverse osmosis whey processing plant.
Whey contains a variety of proteins and large amounts of the milk sugar called lactose.
It was also found that whey is loaded with a highly bioactive protein that is more similar to the protein found in human milk than any other known source.
Furthermore, it was discovered that these proteins dissolved well in water, were highly digestible, and contained an even better amino acid profile than the highly regarded egg white.
However, the problem with raw whey is that it contains too much undesirable lactose, fat, and cholesterol.
A few years ago, two new, major processes were developed, that have the ability to extract the proteins from whey while preserving their integrity.
These processes are:
1. Micro-Filtration – physically separating the proteins by using a microscopic filter.
2. Ion Exchange – extracting the proteins by taking advantage of their specific electronic charges.
Both of these processes can yield a high-quality, low-lactose, low-fat whey protein.
The whey protein is then dried out in an evaporator and turned into a powder form.
There you have it, …, the story behind the manufacturing process of one of the most popular protein food supplements on the market today.
Unfortunately, Frank A. Thomas, died in August 1997 at 73 years of age.
Tell me, ??? what is your experience with using whey protein food supplement?
Until the next time…
Yours for greater strength,
Bill Hinbern
Gordon s Watson: This is worth a look, too:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2015.07.006
The Greenland Ice Sheet during the last interglacial. . . .
I find it very concerning that you can consider a single scientist can say “everything that needs to be said” on this or any other topic. This is not science. Science evaluates all the evidence, taking into account the quality of that evidence. By the way, this particular blog is about the suppression of climate science, so the more discussion of climate science the merrier. I simply meant that you and I are not in disagreement about the unscientific nonsense which appears in the press on this topic.
Organic Dairy
https://civileats.com/2019/08/13/small-organic-dairy-farmers-say-the-rules-are-stacked-against-them-one-rule-in-particular/
https://civileats.com/2019/03/12/could-the-raw-milk-boom-be-a-lifeline-for-struggling-farmers/
Dr Joseph Heckman,
Thank you for the link. I found another article on your link that really told a huge story.
There is always the pasture rule on top of the Origin of Livestock rule.
I was in the meeting room when we fought with senior staff a USDA about enforcement last year. I am a member of the OFA and battled for enforcement.
Under this admin,,,,don’t expect any. They love their CAFO organic with no pastures.
Change us coming in 18 months. Mark these words.
Trump has screwed the farmers and his sport from farmers is dropping hard.
Mr McAffee … your own post just admitted that, for 8 years previously, the O’Bama administration imposed the rule re “Organic” not requiring pasture” . Yet somehow – having inherited this state of affairs – it’s all the fault of PRESIDENT Trump? Yeah, right. Utterly illogical.
as for “sport [ sic ] from farmers dropping hard” … do you seriously suggest that things will get any better under the clown who winds up being candidate for the Democrats? It is to laugh
yes … “change is gonna come in 18 months” … you cannot continue the Heebie Jeebies dance that long … your arteries won’t take such astronomical high blood pressure. Get professional help for your Trump De-range-ment Syndrome, … a remedy for apoplexia is : go soak your head in the watertrough
This why people are fed up with self-serving corrupt politician and unelected bureaucrats that are led around by the nose by the establishment… Like it or not, this is one of the main reason why Donald Trump was elected in 2016. Imperfect as he is, it was an opportunity for the electorate to express their displeasure with the left wing fascists in Washington. Indeed, and the left have done a good job of shooting themselves in the foot due to their obsession with outing Trump who in turn caters to that obsession.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87XQZ6sTXGw
Mark, if you expect to see positive change with a Democrat as President then continue to dream on… Note, that what occurred to this farmer in the above documentary occurred during the previous administration that was headed by a Democratic President!
By the way if there is a remote chance that you may be considering sticking your head in that “watertrough” make sure it’s filled with ice water…
The Role of Trees and Pastures in Organic Agriculture
Joseph Heckman
http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/sar/article/view/50105
Abstract
Environmental concerns associated with annual row crop grain production – including soil erosion, soil carbon loss, intensive use of chemicals and petroleum, limited arable land, among others – could be addressed by converting conventional livestock production to an organic pasture based system. The inclusion of tree crops would further enhance the opportunity for feeding pasture- raised livestock by providing shelter and alternative feed sources. Biodiversity is an essential aspect of an organic farm plan. The idea of including tree crops and other perennials into the vision of an organic farm as a “living system” is very much compatible with the goals and philosophy of organic farming. Before modern no-till farming systems were developed, tree crops and pasture systems were found to provide similar benefits for controlling soil erosion and conserving soil carbon. For example, J. Russell Smith’s Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture (Smith, 1950) and pioneered tree crop agriculture as the alternative to annual row crops for protecting soils from erosion while producing livestock feed such as acorns, nuts, and fodder. A survey of Mid-Atlantic USA soils under pasture found 60% higher soil organic matter content than cultivated fields. Because United States Department of Agriculture’s National Organic Program (USDA-NOP) standards require dairy cattle consume pasture forage and limited grain (7 C.F.R. pt. 206), organic milk contains higher concentrations of omega-3 and fewer omega-6 fatty acids than conventional milk. Organic standards also state “the producer must not use lumber treated with arsenate or other prohibited materials for new [fence posts] installations or replacement purposes in contact with soil or livestock.” Black locust (Robinia pseudoacacia) is a fast growing renewable alternative to treated lumber with many attributes compatible with organic farming. This versatile tree fixes nitrogen (N), provides flowers for honey bees and other pollinators, and produces a highly durable dense wood ideal for fence posts useable for up to 50 year.
The Biggest Little Farm [Official Trailer]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfDTM4JxHl8
Evolution of Organic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh_9ojGcYoE
The Farmer and his Prince TRAILER
What was the first thing Trump did when he moved into 1600 Pennsylvania Blvd.
He had the organic garden planted by Michele Obama torn out .
Need I say more. Under prior presidents both republican and democtratic, there was enforcement activity on organics. Like the $7.5 million fine against Aurora for 14 violations of the USDA Organic rules.
Under Trump…. No enforcement. Its CAFO time.
Mark, with respect to Trump you are suffering from an extreme case of tunnel vision… the White House organic garden is still “intact and flourishing”.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/22/melania-trump-michelle-obama-vegetable-garden-243017
“The White House chefs continue to cook with vegetables, herbs and fruit harvested from the garden, and donate fresh produce to local charities, a spokeswoman confirmed” and “The White House beehive, also started by the Obamas, is still buzzing under the Trump administration”.
Do you remember when Barack Obama signed the “Denying Americans the Right to Know (DARK)” act turning a thumbs down on the public’s right to know if GMOs and its concomitant products such as glyphosate and ARMs (antibiotic resistant marker genes) etc. was in their food. An article in Food and Water Watch stated at the time, “The bill also pre-empts labeling laws in Connecticut, Maine, Alaska and seed labeling laws in Vermont and Virginia while also preventing other states from adopting similar legislation in the future… Over 90% of Americans support clear mandatory GMO labeling, but President Obama signed this giveaway to the Big Food industry, despite promising Americans he would label GMOs as part of his 2008 presidential run”.
aaaaand the response from the resident Trump-hater to this presentation of the FACTS, is …. [ little drumroll here ] … the sound of crickets
for the sake of a master’s thesis in how Trump De-Range-ment can be seen as a subset of bi-polar disease, a med. student ought to compile all the posts made by Mark McAffee on this forum since Mr Trump announced he’d be running for President. Such a pattern would illustrate how a person suffering McAfee’s condition, can present perfectly normal, for a while, then, manifest a spasm of babbling paranoia, triggered by some factoid which turns out to be incorrect.
the key to recovery is having the patient admit he / she was wrong on that one tiny point. Then building on that progress, getting to the place where they can take responsibility for their own mistakes. Rather than making some bogeyman THE problem of all time.
With McAffee, though, prognosis is not optimistic. Having endured communist brainwashing from childhood, severity of his malady requires an epiphany. I recommend he study the anti-communist literature compiled by Dr Henry Makow … first hand testimonies of dedicated commies who recanted.
what would really do it, would be for Mark McAffee to go South Africa and seeing communism in action …. the Boers being murdered weekly, as the ANC dispossesses the white race there. Hopefully, the enormity of genocide in modern times, would sink in … that’s what La Raza has in mind for ALL white people around little ol’ Kernan California, Mark McAffee and his family in particular
no : this is not me cursing Mark McAffee. This is a warning of what’s blowin’ in the wind
They were experimenting with and using sludge and restaurant waste to fertilize crops over 40 years ago. I can remember my crop science professor at Guelph University shaking his head at the fact that they were using chemical and drug laden sewage sludge on strawberry fields… Enjoy your juicy red strawberries!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_vHlOZuzFg
It’s the chemicals and drugs that are used and prescribed with impunity, not the microbes and biodegradable matter that’s the problem…
I’d like to remind Mark and all other Trump haters, that most people voted for him because they were in reality voting against Hillary. She’d been there (White House) before in a position of power, and proved to be another bought and paid for puppet. So fill us in as to why you think she’d be a better option?
no – please tie-off the vitriol about the presidential contest… remote from what matters at the grass roots level. It does not further the Campaign for REAL MILK to stir around in all that sewage-under-the-bridge. His lack of response indicates Mark McAffee still has enough integrity to realize how badly he embarrassed his-self … fobbing off that nonsense about the White House Garden.
you just gotta shake your head at someone who holds up Mrs ?! O’bama as a hero(ine). Mr McAffee being one of the very few diehard Democrats who refuses to admit that Americans were played for fools in the greatest drag show in history … a transgender guy presented as “the First Lady’ … the evidence is overwhelming for anyone who will examine the facts. … as Joan Rivers put it – just before she was done-away-with – “we all know”
Gordon, I apologize for delving into the politics at all, now let’s get back to our regularly scheduled raw milk discussion.
Ken and Watson
Clearly I got the wrong information. An apology is due. Thank for setting the record straight on the issue of the Whitehouse Garden.
But let be very clear as well. I have met with USDA as part of OFA and also NFU. Both times USDA officials refused to commit to any tangible or meaningful enforcement of organic dairy NOP regs.
Again I am sorry and I regret not hsving my facts straight.
I will track down the source and let them know their information was incorrect.
Gordon
Are you looking for some sort of “alt right racist 0f the decade award?”
Your comments border on secret service investigation material. I would tread carefully. Your words are shocking.
I hope my words do shock you and more than a few others. A nation in moral catatonia that’s what it will take to bring America to regain common sense. Societies go crazy in herds : people regain their sanity one at a time.
Mark Twain said “it’s easier to deceive someone than to convince them that they’ve been deceived’. That would be you, – Mr McAffee Your comment shows isolated you are in the Democratic propaganda echo chamber … how far out of touch you are with information easily available for the last decade. If I knew how to post a pic on this forum, I’d put up the one of Barry Suetoro and his homosexual lover before Robinson had his so-called “sex change”. Found on the internet as “Barry Sotero and MICHEAL LAVAUGAHAN ROBINSON the early days’
as for the secret service ; be assured = they know all about it.
A critical part of recovering from Trump DeRangeMent dis-order, is : acknowledging the facts. The stage you’re at now is = thrashing-around, reviling the messenger. In order to heal, you’re going to have to look inward, and admit you’ve made a mistake.
meanwhile > do us on this forum a favor >>> while you’re going through that very uncomfortable stage, dump the toxicity elsewhere.
only for those who can handle “strong meat” = Big Ideas.
See the top item on Dr Henry Makow’s website, today : Illuminati use Amish as a front. It mentions the home church in Lancaster PA.
https://www.henrymakow.com/
Watson, stick to driving your cab.
obviously, you didn’t do the required reading. So you just selected thy-self out of the cohort of people who can “handle Big Ideas”, Mr Dutcher
I just started up another cowshare here in Victoria, this week
other than tossing in to this forum proof that you’re an ignoramus, …what do you ever do for the Campaign for REAL MILK ?… from what you posted over the years herein, apparently you get REAL MILK to suit thy-self ,,, drive home with it, all smug and resting on your lees, while people around you go without because it’s outlawed where you are.
America is on the slippery slope down into the pigsty of the Parable of the Prodigal Son because selfish Guys like you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. …
Old Confucian saying : “those who criticize should get out of the way of those who are doing the work”
You are VERY selfish thyself Sir Imbecile!! You certainly are very entertaining at the least,L’ingMAOAY!! You certainly have a huge ego and a very small mind,LOL!! Keep the bullshit coming and everyone laughing!!
Gordon, not that I have any say what you should or not do, but maybe you need to start your own blog. This one is about raw milk. Although you do post some interesting links occasionally.
couldn’t agree with you more, Ora. But I’m too busy to start my own blog … getting a raw milk dairy going here in Metchosin / fighting the govt. on several other fronts, too
the ONLY time I talk US politics on this forum is AFTER Mr McAffee dumps in to it, his own peculiar insanity re PRESIDENT Trump. VERY poor sport that he is, he refused to accept the Will of the People. Proclaiming that he ‘would not shut up til the next election’. As I promised I would – after he posts the latest utterance of the Democratic Central Party Line do I dish it back to him in kind
I’m the first one to laud Mark McAffee for his genius when it comes to the Campaign for REAL MILK. Especially, his generosity in time, helping everyone else. but his politics are another topic entirely … over the last 3 years, to be the ill-informed ravings of a stunted adolescent. Have sympathy for him … such “red diaper babies” = raised in a communist household = have a lot of trouble coming to terms with reality
Expanding Lynn’s View: A New Symbiotic Biology Part 1
Fluoride
Association Between Maternal Fluoride Exposure During Pregnancy and IQ Scores in Offspring in Canada
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2748634#224604298
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2018/09/state-confirms-illnesses-dungeness-valley-creamery-raw-milk-implicated/
I looked at the beautiful Dungenes Valley Creamery website and saw this Bill Marler story at Food Safety News.
I am super critical of FSN when Marler says…. There are no published articles or any science that shows any benefit to consuming raw milk
That is completely untrue. It is a highy inaccurate statement. The NIH and PubMed have at least 15 peer reviewed articles. Perhaps even more. The articles have been thoroughly vetted and stand tall in the literature.
Why would Marler claim or make that completely false statement?
Is it because the FDA tells him to do so? It is a big fat lie and unbecoming of FSN. They should immediately amend their statement.
Mark,
You are correct. This statement is indeed false: “peer-reviewed research projects report no documented health benefits related to unpasteurized milk.”
To make such a clearly false statement would require one to ignore a large and ever growing body of scientific literature.
In my peer-reviewed publication from 2017 I cited nearly 20 such reports of documented health benefits related whole fresh unprocessed raw milk.
Scholarly article published in Renewable Agriculture and Food Systems, Cambridge University Press:
Securing fresh food from fertile soil, challenges to the organic and raw milk movements
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/renewable-agriculture-and-food-systems/article/securing-fresh-food-from-fertile-soil-challenges-to-the-organic-and-raw-milk-movements/18325E375E068A538E07EF4E6F6ABA22
Sept 28 Keeping a Family Cow Workshop
https://motherhouse.us/event/keeping-a-family-cow-9-28/
Hey Watson, Another thing, you know nothing about me or what I do, LOL!! BUT, I do know about all the bullshit you try to spread around this website, usually “Nothing” to do with milk either. Why don’t you just keep your wild assed political thoughts and racist bullshit to your self??? Cause, there really is “No One” that believes ANY of it anyway,LOL!! AND, I think all the BS you spread about your involvement in “Raw Milk is just that too, BULLSHIT!!
this is what modern educators call “a teachable moment”. My dear departed Grade 4 teacher told us “people use profanity when they run out of intelligent things to say” … Exhibit One being Herr Dutcher’s remarks.
now addressing his query
“Why don’t you just keep your wild assed political thoughts and racist bullshit to your self???” … he must’ve missed me promising that when Mark McAffee vowed he’d keep on dumping his vitriol about Trump in to this raw milk forum, I’d dish it back to him in spades.
as for my 20 year involvement in the Campaign for REAL MILK ; the photos in artisanal dairying album in the gallery
> https://www.freewebs.com/bovinity/apps/photos/ <
are more than enough evidence substantiating what I've been up to.
what exactly do you have to show for thy-self, along that line?
one more little rant like that, Dutcher, and you'll give away you're a troll
Watson, you are a legend in your own mind LOL!! But NOT Any Where Else!! L’ingMAOY!! But you full of it!!
Gotta go milk a couple cows Watson, how about you???
One more thing Watson before I go milk, A troll I am not, I live “Above” the bridge, a little riddle for the cab driver.
Betrayers of Truth: Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of Science by William Broad and Nicholas Wade
https://forthenovellovers.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/betrayers-of-truth-fraud-and-deceit-in-the-halls-of-science-by-william-broad-and-nicholas-wade/
Left wing medical fascism is alive and well in California… Conventional medicine at the state level uses the coercive power of government to severely restrict freedom of choice.
As Robert F. Kennedy Jr,” states in the article below, “In an act of legislative savagery, Democratic politicians propose to forcibly vaccinate children whose doctors have told them that a vaccine could kill or severely injure them. SB276 will not fix the measles outbreak or solve the problem of vaccine failure, it will only reward a corrupt company for a defective product.” ~
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/true-purpose-ca-sb276?fbclid=IwAR3F_6ZK-BxCW4kJ2YsxM30NRIMxolXNwJmUe1D_f3_hSb1OcKcdoFb9n1Q
thanks for that, Mr Dutcher. quit yr braying like a jackass and just Go!
the rest of the people on this forum are here to talk about REAL MILK, and how to make it available to everyone
OK Troll Watson, ALL but YOU!! Go do something positive for “Somebody!!! , Anybody!!
ACTION ALERT: CALL YOUR SENATOR AND ASK FOR FAIRNESS IN ORGANIC DAIRY
THE HOUSE FY20 AG APPROPRIATIONS BILL INCLUDES LANGUAGE REQUIRING USDA
TO RESTORE FAIRNESS FOR ORGANIC DAIRY PRODUCERS BY ISSUING NEW RULES ON
ORIGIN OF LIVESTOCK.
Now we need to urge the Senate to take action!
Is your Senator on the appropriations committee [2]?
If yes, call your Senator today and urge the Senate to take action to
protect organic dairy producers.
Call the capital switchboard and ask to be connected to your Senator’s
office:
202-224-3121
ASK TO SPEAK WITH THE STAFFER WHO WORKS ON AGRICULTURE OR LEAVE A
MESSAGE WITH WHOEVER ANSWERS THE PHONE. USE THESE TALKING POINTS:
* I’m calling as a constituent and an organic farmer/consumer. I
want to thank Senator xx for his/her leadership to advance organic
agriculture and organic dairy farming.
* I am calling to urge Senator xx to fight for the inclusion of a
provision in the Fiscal Year 2020 Senate appropriations bill to require
USDA to issue a final regulation on Origin of Livestock as soon as
possible.
* This regulation is urgently needed to restore fairness in the
organic dairy sector.
* Some organic dairy farms have used loopholes to continuously bring
conventional dairy livestock into organic herds. This has distorted the
market and created an economic disadvantage for organic farmers who play
by the rules because it costs them more to raise calves organically.
* This abuse must stop – organic dairy farms are struggling to
survive. Without new regulations to level the playing field, we will see
continued consolidation within organic dairy and the demise of many
family-scale organic dairy operations.
we return now to the regular schedule of discussion about the Campaign for REAL MILK …. ( hopefully)
water buffalo herdshare in Hawaii
https://www.thegardenisland.com/2019/09/08/lifestyles/talk-story-don-heacock/
living the dream in Washington State
Dungeness valley creamery recognized as farmers of the year. And notice they did this after surviving 2 product recalls in the last year. Bad bacteria detected in samples of milk, but no-one got sick from it
what irony … from where I live in Metchosin, I can see their farm in Sequim, ( with a telescope ) across the Strait of Juan de Fuca meanwhile distribution of raw milk for human consumption is outlawed here in BC. What is it the legislators in the Great State of Washington know, that the bright lights atop the BC govt. cannot figure out?!
https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/news/north-olympic-land-trust-names-farmers-of-the-year/
Livestock exposure could help baby’s immune system
https://cfaes.osu.edu/stories/livestock-exposure-could-help-baby’s-immune-system
This study neglected to consider that the Amish often are drinkers of raw milk
Joseph, the researchers did admit that the Amish families reported producing their own food and growing their own animals.
Seems very clear to me that they missed the most obvious question of all. Did they consume raw milk on the farm?
Doesn’t say much about the researchers sophistication in questionnaire development.
RAWMI sponsored a workshop training day in WA state today. It was well attended by 16 raw milk producers . Great to build community and sharpen raw milk food safety skills.
A nonprofit promoting dairy pays leaders millions — while farmers funding it go out of business
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/09/07/dairy-management-inc-pays-execs-salaries-millions-farmer-checkoff-program-got-milk-prices-fall/2231730001/?fbclid=IwAR3c5zqRqV_Fnwrd2Sz94MyV-s4ZrR2hA3eGAH3WjhkMVw_XdFd276Rm9fI
Sounds like the Milk Marketing Boards in Canada…
“It’s quite stunning to watch liberals applauding censorship, particularly the muzzling of the bullied mothers of injured children in order to protect pharmaceutical products from criticism.” Robert F Kennedy Jr.
https://pics.me.me/its-quite-stunning-to-watch-liberals-applauding-censorship-particularly-the-46667368.png
Dr. Heckman, Of course it is non profit, All the profits were given away to the top heavy management, exact same reason unionism arose in the past.
Have to agree with that one Ken.